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originally posted by: Czulkang
I think that there is a hyper agressive speciex out there that stamps out all life before they can pose a threat to them, because of a near E.L.E in their past that molded their psyche in a hyper aggressive form.
There thats my 2 cents.
originally posted by: CreationBro
a reply to: eriktheawful
After some thinking, i came to this conclusion: -There is intelligent life capable of interstellar travel in the Milky Way (at least 20-50 races), etc.
originally posted by: schuyler
originally posted by: CreationBro
a reply to: eriktheawful
After some thinking, i came to this conclusion: -There is intelligent life capable of interstellar travel in the Milky Way (at least 20-50 races), etc.
The question on the table is essentially, "If intelligent life is so common, Where are these guys?" THAT is the Fermi Paradox. We see no evidence of their presence (according to Fermi.) Your conclusion appears to be that there are 20-50 races capable of interstellar travel and they are already here. How did you come to that conclusion? What evidence do you have that your conclusions are true?
originally posted by: CreationBro
a reply to: eriktheawful
After some thinking, i came to this conclusion:
-There is intelligent life capable of interstellar travel in the Milky Way (at least 20-50 races)
-Some of this life has and does visit Earth
-While many focus on Earth bound governments hiding their presence, its clear to me that the visitors are masking their own presence and are careful to disclose themselves fully.
With this in mind, i think what we have is a galactic organization involving a number of interstellar races that determine the "readiness" of a planet's life for disclosure...
3) The Universe Is Much Too Young: This one can be hard for some to wrap their head around, but even though the universe is around 14 billion years old, there are several reasons to consider this possibility, one being that of heavier elements like Iron have not existed at the beginning of the universe, so there has been a lot less time for life to have come about.
4) They Are Here and Do Exist: This is where most of the conspiracy theorist will thrive, that they are here, meddling with us humans, but we're too stupid to notice, or it's been hidden too well from us.
originally posted by: icewater
a reply to: eriktheawful
Allow me to play devils advocate. My theory is that the laws of probability stack up against life existing elsewhere in the universe. To understand this it would be helpful to understand how probability works. How the math works. Here is a minor example: What is the probability that I will catch a fish tomorrow when I go fishing? I usually do so let's say the probability is 70% or .7 . But it is not as simple as that. There are other factors. What if I oversleep and miss the best feeding time so assume there is a 80% chance I wake on time. Weather, availability of bait, will my boat start in the morning? How long can I stay? Etc. So, lets say there is a 70% (.7) chance the weather will be good. Let's say there is a 20% chance the bait shop will be out of the minnows I favor for bait (so that means there is a 80% (.8) chance I will have the appropriate bait. And there is a 10% chance my boat will not start in the morning (again that means a 90% chance it will so .9 is calculated in. And then the pure chance the fish are biting....50% (or .5). Now given these are the only factors involved with fish catching (they aren't, there are many many more but for simplicity sake assume these are the only factors. The calculation looks like this: .8 x .7 x .8 x .9 x.5 = .2016 probability at this moment I will be successful fishing tomorrow. Of course the calculation changes as each event happens or doesn't. If the bait availability drops to 0 then the end probability drops to 0 as well. If I get to the bait shop and the minnows are there the calculation changes to .8 x .7 x 1.0 x .9 x.5 =.252 .
The point is when you are calculating a probability that depends on a series of events happening it is a simple multiplication. It gets more complicated when an event is not in series but can happen in parallel. It still affects the outcome but I am trying to keep this simple to make my point.
Now, consider all that had to happen for Planet Earth to have life introduced; for life, from the first single cell animal, to reproduce; for a food chain to develop; for the proper atmospheric conditions to magically happen (realize that during the dinosaur periods the atmosphere oxygen content was much higher than the 21% it is now. That is one reason dinosaurs grew to be so large) There are thousands of factors that had to be right, from the Moon causing the tides, to the amount of water asteroids brought to our planet, to every little bug that has ever lived causing decay of plant life which enriches the soil and allows for new growth. Then consider gravity, the mass of the Sun, radiation from the sun, how the other planets in our system affect us, the electro - magnetic shield that protects us from all the bad radiation not just from the sun but from other systems. There are so many factors that I do not even know about but that happened even though the probability of them happening was .000000001 or less. Even more that happen everyday now that are essential for life to continue to prosper. All of them have many zeros to the right of the decimal. All of these are essential. All MUST have happened or must happen in order to contribute the the miracle of life on our planet. From tides to weather to chemistry to the food chain starting with the tiniest plankton in the oceans. And on and on.
The end probability is incalculable. But it is infinitesimal. It is a freaking miracle that it happened once in the universe but to assume it has happened again and again in other places in the Universe...well, that is a lot to consider. I realize the Universe is a big place but I truly believe that the laws of probability just do not support life anywhere else.