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Grave Security Concerns Over Commander-in-Chief's Fraternizing With the Enemy

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posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Lagomorphe

In times of collusions it's probably better to have witnesses around.

Re-read the OP in case of doubt.


Alternatively, in times of media BS, it's best to not let them dictate how one does one's job and just get on with it.




posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Metallicus

Oh maybe by being awake.

When did you decide they were not.

Research would help dude. They are not our friends and they will use trump like a cheap whore.
They only want what's best for Putin . He's a murderer. Not some stupid conspiracy theory like that Clinton #.
This is real.
Russia is poor and desperate and they benefit from a USA that is isolated.
They benefit from our stripped down to nothing state department.
They want to expand and a weakened NATO alliance is Christmas to them.

Time to leave the conspiracy theory world dude. The real world is a much scarier place.


Time to leave the conspiracy theory world you tell him eh Silly?...that statement from you is laughable and sad at the same time.
You and the OP must visit the same tinfoil hat maker on a regular basis.
Where do you come up with these crackpot Russian theories?
What research have you done to come to these conclusions?



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: theworldisnotenough
OK, you may claim that the American military's rules against fraternizing with the enemy do not apply to the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces, but those rules were implemented for very valid reasons which acknowledge that such fraternization is certainly not in the best interests of our country... and this concept certainly should apply to the dealings of our very shady, sketchy President with very shady, sketchy Russian officials and nationals.

It has very recently come out that President Donald Trump had a one-hour private meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the G20 with only one other person present, a Russia supplied translator.

This could not possibly be considered a meeting of diplomacy because:

1.) the White House initially did not disclose this meeting;

2.) there was no "read-out" by any representative of our government briefing the world on what transpired in this meeting;

3.) The Donald, by his pretty established pattern of behavior toward things of a Russian nature, had a private meeting right in the Oval Office with Russian big wigs which excluded the American press;

4.) The Donald, at that Oval Office meeting, like a sieve and as freely as uncontrolled, explosive diarrhea blurted out top-secret intelligence information to those Russian officials;

5.) The Donald, his family and cronies have been far less than forthcoming regarding their relationships and meetings with Russians while indulging in lies, lies, and more lies on top of lies plus total disregard for proper disclosure on governmental forms as required by law under penalty of criminal law.

Former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman was interviewed on MSNBC last night. Among other dire warnings about this fraternization, Ms. Sherman said of the private meeting between Trump and Putin: “It’s absolutely worrying... but a one-hour meeting with only one translator??? ... grave security concerns...” Himmmm, "grave security concerns," this on just the issue of there being only one Russian translator present.

Dear Trumpists: don’t you see where this is leading? If you had any hopes of anything positive coming out of a Trump administration, don’t you see at this late date that the only thing that you can expect to come from The Donald is to be screwed over as have so many others been in The Donald’s past?


Russia is our enemy? When did we declare war on them? I must have missed it.

Could it be that you do not desire open dialogue and increased potential for world peace?

Could it be that a U.S.-Russian accord might give pause to TPTB in attempting to take down either or both nations?

Here's a news flash for you. Russia isn't our enemy......YOU ARE.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

One can be distracted, duped, disinformed and emotionalized by the MSM. Happens in the alt media as well, all the time. Not that I'm going to legitimize this corporate sellout, just saying.

Besides from that your whole dictatorship-angle is ridiculous at best. But if you really believe, that the Beheaded Leader in charge banned the press from the not-so-white house in order to save humanity from MSM's dictatorship, it's probably time to go ahead and build more Trump-Towerish churches next.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

So then, why was there no concern like this at all when Obama made deals with Iran? It would seem to me that they are equally "America's Enemy" by every measure considering they continue to chant "Death to America" and similar rhetoric quite openly.

And yet, there was very little scrutiny at all over that deal or any of the diplomacy conducted at any level. Ben Rhodes openly *bragged* about lying to press and public on how they dealt with Iran, and *no one* cared the way they scrutinize every tiny twitch of an eyelid now.

The double standard and hypocrisy are glaringly obvious and maybe that's why so few of us care.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Metallicus

Oh maybe by being awake.

When did you decide they were not.

Research would help dude. They are not our friends and they will use trump like a cheap whore.
They only want what's best for Putin . He's a murderer. Not some stupid conspiracy theory like that Clinton #.
This is real.
Russia is poor and desperate and they benefit from a USA that is isolated.
They benefit from our stripped down to nothing state department.
They want to expand and a weakened NATO alliance is Christmas to them.

Time to leave the conspiracy theory world dude. The real world is a much scarier place.


Time to leave the conspiracy theory world you tell him eh Silly?...that statement from you is laughable and sad at the same time.
You and the OP must visit the same tinfoil hat maker on a regular basis.
Where do you come up with these crackpot Russian theories?
What research have you done to come to these conclusions?


I promised myself that I would stay out of this forum but it has become too much and I think that each and every opinion matters.. "slaps own wrists"...

Sadly Razor, both posters that you have mentioned above are incapable of coming up with REAL research (They stay in their time bubble IMO) and just copy paste links from the biased sites that they wish to copy from... followed by very quick one phrasers trying to put down any member that asks them a polite question... (I have followed each person for a long time hoping that eventually they would one day become open minded... "coughs"...... Never mind... I just feel bad for their kids and/or grandchildren...

Warmest and sadly...

Lags



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko




no concern like this at all when Obama made deals with Iran?


You live under a rock?

Obama accuses media of 'manufacturing outrage' in lengthy rant on Iran deal



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theworldisnotenough

How exactly did you decide that Putin and Russia are the 'enemy'?

What metric are you using?


I take if from that remark, you do not believe Putin and the Russians manipulated our election? You don't believe our Intelligence communities?



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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I just heard on T.V. that anything discussed for one-hour by Trump and Putin at that previously undisclosed meeting would be considered official U.S. government policy.

If that is the case, and no other U.S. government official was present at that meeting to take notes, then did Trump, yet again, violate the Presidential Records Act? He's already being sued for violating that law because of his deletion of Twitter tweets (and for some other things, I think).



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sillyolme

So then, why was there no concern like this at all when Obama made deals with Iran? It would seem to me that they are equally "America's Enemy" by every measure considering they continue to chant "Death to America" and similar rhetoric quite openly.

And yet, there was very little scrutiny at all over that deal or any of the diplomacy conducted at any level. Ben Rhodes openly *bragged* about lying to press and public on how they dealt with Iran, and *no one* cared the way they scrutinize every tiny twitch of an eyelid now.

The double standard and hypocrisy are glaringly obvious and maybe that's why so few of us care.


You are right that Obama has betrayed our country. He wants to destroy it from the inside and rebuild a socialist paradise like Venezuela, but it's like talking to a brick wall because they want the same thing. They are not going budge. He's their saviour and Trump's going ruin it all.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: theworldisnotenough

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theworldisnotenough

How exactly did you decide that Putin and Russia are the 'enemy'?

What metric are you using?



What should not escape your attention and consideration is how this seeming unholy relationship between Trump and Putin will affect the morale of the rank and file of the U.S. military.

Even the commissioned officers up the chain of command must be scratching their heads wondering, in light of fraternization between Trump and Putin, "What the L am I doing here?"

Anybody who chooses to join the all-volunteer military under these circumstances will have to be an idiot.


I am going to guess you do not know much about the military... as one of the rank and file I have to say if they are talking we aren't shooting and that should be considered a good thing in anyone's book.

If you think it is a bad thing, then I suggest you seek professional help.

As for recruitment, I would not recommend anyone join right now and it has nothing to do with the wars, or the politics being played by the rich.

Its the politically correct, SJW Bull snip coupled with draconian budget cuts that do not actually target the spending problems that are ruining our military. (Do more with less, I want to choke everyone that ever uttered that phrase)



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theworldisnotenough

How exactly did you decide that Putin and Russia are the 'enemy'?

What metric are you using?


I take if from that remark, you do not believe Putin and the Russians manipulated our election? You don't believe our Intelligence communities?


Our intelligence communities? Our deep state? Believe them? Even when they've said no evidence supporting the premise?

You trust the CIA? NSA? All the rest of them? The formulators of invasions, the overthrowing of elected gov'ts?

Really? REALLY????



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: theworldisnotenough
I just heard on T.V. that anything discussed for one-hour by Trump and Putin at that previously undisclosed meeting would be considered official U.S. government policy.

If that is the case, and no other U.S. government official was present at that meeting to take notes, then did Trump, yet again, violate the Presidential Records Act? He's already being sued for violating that law because of his deletion of Twitter tweets (and for some other things, I think).


It was disclosed. It was a dinner hosted by Merkel where 18 other country leaders attended. Did they hide under the table?



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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Seems like a few of you need to make a thread about Obama. This thread is about your incumbent.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: theworldisnotenough

"The 1980's called. They want their foreign policy back."
-Barack Obama



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:11 AM
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originally posted by: theworldisnotenough
I just heard on T.V. that anything discussed for one-hour by Trump and Putin at that previously undisclosed meeting would be considered official U.S. government policy.

If that is the case, and no other U.S. government official was present at that meeting to take notes, then did Trump, yet again, violate the Presidential Records Act? He's already being sued for violating that law because of his deletion of Twitter tweets (and for some other things, I think).


Lol..."I just heard on TV"
Classic.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Which media was he questioning? The regular press like CNN, ABC, et. al., or the conservative press and FOX news?

And did they question every little dinner Obama took with foreign dignitaries? Or do people just assume Obama never, ever ate dinner with people like Putin?

I assure you. He did.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
Seems like a few of you need to make a thread about Obama. This thread is about your incumbent.


No, no, no. It doesn't work that way. Every single thing Obama did or didn't do was excused away as being something that was caused by Bush for eight years.

If Bush can be relevant for eight years, then so can Obama.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko


Which media was he questioning?


Stupid fearmongering, which included pretty much everyone running clickbait headlines.

I'm with you regarding the meetings though, nothing unusual at all.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: theworldisnotenough

I'm as anti Trump as it gets and I honestly think you're reaching for a straw that isn't there.

First; it isn't established that Russia is an enemy of the state. Our countries have different viewpoints and agendas...true, but enemies...that's on the whiter shade of gray in my humble opinion.

Secondly; it's a meeting between two heads of state. The contents don't have to be disclosed, they could have been talking about investments, golf, fine wines, or choice of tailors in random cities.

Third; While our POTUS is not someone I agree with, and he could have been disclosing classified info, he also might not have been disclosing classified info. (Heads of state often bandy about classified info...trying to seek compromise and deals.) Yeah he's pretty much an idiot on twitter, and contradicts himself countlessly...but he can meet privately with another head of state.

(I honestly can't believe I'm defending the Trump, but some of these threads are really petty and reaching.)



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