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The Trump Jr. meeting proves Russian Collusion is a phony crisis.

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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:01 AM
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We already know that the meeting Trump Jr. attended, after being promised incriminating evidence on Hillary/the DNC, was set up by FusionGPS, a shady firm that specializes in creating bad publicity around your opponents. Today we learn that the only reason that Russian lady was even in the United States was because Loretta Lynch granted her special permission to be here.

This us huge, because now we can trace the "Russian collusion" narrative back to its very origin, which was at this meeting in June 2016. A meeting set up under false pretenses to entrap Trump's son. (For the record, the Russian lady insists she was lured to the meeting under false pretenses as well. Maybe, maybe not. It seems her main business is lobbying against the Magnitysky Act.)

Now we know: There never was any Russian collusion, no Russian officials ever offered to help Trump, or made any promises of quid pro quo. It's all based on this phony meeting with a Russian lawyer (not a Kremlin official) who was either a pawn, or part of this charade. Everything that follows this meeting consists of Democrats trying to spin normal routine meetings, with businessmen and diplomats, into something sinister.

I can see why they waited a year to release this "dirt": because now we can figure out that this is all built on nothing.




posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:11 AM
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Collusion - Illusion - Delusion
Nothing but a last ditch effort to try and get the heat off some Dems
The ones that yell the loudest are probably going to the pokey in the end
Sh** Storm coming
Wonder if Obama picked out his bug-out location in Indonesia from whence he cant be extradited ?
Time will tell



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:17 AM
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'To Catch A Predator' routinely cooks-up all manner of phony stuff to convince some middle aged guy that if he shows-up at such-and-such address he can fool around with an underage kid. The guy shows-up, doesn't do anything, but gets arrested. Why? Because he showed INTENT to commit a crime.

Colluding with an agent of a foreign government is a crime. Donnie Jr. clearly showed he was giddily interested and he showed-up to commit the act. Whether he was setup, duped, or whatever is immaterial. He was ready, willing, and able to collude with an agent of a foreign government. Spin it however you like but that is what happened. He's either incredibly stupid or a biglie security risk.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:26 AM
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originally posted by: jtma508
'To Catch A Predator' routinely cooks-up all manner of phony stuff to convince some middle aged guy that if he shows-up at such-and-such address he can fool around with an underage kid. The guy shows-up, doesn't do anything, but gets arrested. Why? Because he showed INTENT to commit a crime.

Colluding with an agent of a foreign government is a crime. Donnie Jr. clearly showed he was giddily interested and he showed-up to commit the act. Whether he was setup, duped, or whatever is immaterial. He was ready, willing, and able to collude with an agent of a foreign government. Spin it however you like but that is what happened. He's either incredibly stupid or a biglie security risk.


And that's it. That's all you got. A meeting under false pretenses. Feel free to charge Trump Jr. with something, let the courts play it out, and then move on.

Trump is still Pres, Russia didn't vote him in.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Imagine that... Loretta Lynch. Again involved in scandals...Obama's lap dog?



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

Yup. Trump is still President. And he drained the swamp and filled it with the sewer. And that's what YOU'VE got.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: jtma508

Actually, Trump Jr. probably didn't break any laws. Right off the bat, let's dismiss braindead over-the-top claims of treason and espionage. Those are patently nonsensical. The only law anyone can come up with is a campaign finance law that (among other things) prohibits giving "other things of value" to help a campaign. This has always been interpreted to mean tangible goods (like cars), or services (like buying advertising). It's a severe stretch to try to claim that incriminating information would fall under this law, especially since the subject of payment was never broached by anyone involved. And, it was allegedly evidence of illegal conduct, so then you have to argue that obtaining such information is somehow illegal.

"Colluding" is not a word you will find in any law anywhere, except for anti-trust laws. "There is "criminal conspiracy" but for that to apply you have to establish that there was intent to commit a crime. And as I've just said, establishing any crime here is a stretch. My guess is no reasonable prosecutor would attempt such a dubious prosecution, especially not against someone like the Trumps who can afford good lawyers. Reasonable doubt is pretty much baked into the case from the beginning.
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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: jtma508

What crime would that be? Could you source the statute and perhaps point out the elements?



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

And if you believe the garbage that makes up your OP, we all know that you're operating with a phony brain.

Hell, I'm beginning to wonder if we shouldn't rename our White House and begin calling it Russia's Red House.

It's looking like Russia has more influence over American policy than actual Americans do and the Trump klan is neck deep in this crap.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

How do we know you're not really a counter agent from some other entity operating on behalf of the Russian Government, trying to deflect blame/attention for the purposes of muddying the waters in what is otherwise a pretty clear example of the Trump campaigns lies regarding their knowledge of Russian state backing?



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

MSM deals in fear and right now the best hand for the dems is to go all in on Russia.

How can anyone believe a word they say



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan





We already know that the meeting Trump Jr. attended, after being promised incriminating evidence on Hillary/the DNC, was set up by FusionGPS,


You do not know any such thing.
That's a conspiracy theory.
Hypothesis with that many assumptions are rarely proven viable.
I hate to burst your bubble.

You can't start with speculation , call it fact and draw a logical conclusion.
It can't be done.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: JinMI


Josh Douglas at the University of Kentucky Law School offered two other possible relevant statutes.

"Collusion in a federal election with a foreign entity could potentially fall under other crimes, such as against public corruption," Douglas said. "There's also a general anti-coercion federal election law."

In sum, legal experts mentioned four criminal laws that might have been broken. The key is not whether those statutes use the word collusion, but whether the activities of the Russians and Trump associates went beyond permissible acts.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

I think those very real emails takes the punch out of the whole fake news claim.

The only fake news was the word coming from the WH.



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

You just described the whole fake Trump-Russia collusion narrative! It's just a fake speculation, without any proof, whatsoever!

Why don't you try to burst your own bubble, with logic?
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posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Sigh....this has already been mentioned in 2 other threads on ATS today...was there really need for another one?



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Uh huh...heat for what?



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: jtma508

So no, you can not label the statutes much less provide the elements related to them. It's nothing like your analogy.

Your sourced gentleman also has a clear bias. twitter.com...



posted on Jul, 13 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Sigh....this has already been mentioned in 2 other threads on ATS today...was there really need for another one?


Sigh, ..........there is always the option to pass by a thread you just aren't that interested in.

Or you could completely invalidate your statement by commenting on something you feel is redundant.
Don't be that guy.




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