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CRTL-Left...Alt-Right......ARISE THE ALT-ALT!

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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:17 PM

I've seen people smear religions as being "the cause of all wars in human history". I've seen nationalism smeared as being the cause of racism. I've seen overt racism packaged as not being racist, and globalism sold as if it's any different in nature than nationalism. I've seen left / right politics give rise to bigotry on par with the worst kind of nationalistic racism.

All the while, in the most brilliant mass scale displays of hypocritical irony, the people doing the smearing in almost every instance no matter the position are themselves usually 'the same'. What nobody ever seems to want to admit is that in all these cases everyone is united in being tribalists. It is human nature after all.

What I'm proposing isn't an wholesale abandonment of tribalism. At this stage in our social evolution we're no where near being ready for that discussion (which would be 'Post-Alt/Alt').

Instead I'm merely insisting that's it's long time over due for humanity to strip social identities from politics. The damage has been so severe, and now in the 21st Century era of rapid mass communications via social media, it's unleashed like a hail storm hurricane against the social fabric of western civilization. Western civilization, which has been the most diverse and tolerant ever achieved in human history, if even it can't endure the onslaught of identity politics in the modern age then that should be taken as the ultimate proof that we all need a new way.


Alt/Alt obviously stands for an alternative to the left / right alternatives we've been seeing. Each side of which we've seen have been all bent on (mass social group) identity politics. Alt/Alt is a bulwark against the idea that groups should have special political privileges, and the inherent divide & conquer dynamics that always come from all of that.

The "social justice" left attempted to heal old wounds caused by tribalism with yet the most sophisticated tribalism in human history (which even surpassed the original Nazi's social engineering / propaganda model). The rapid results triggered mass scale open hate crime atrocities in the streets and across all communication mediums. Because the entire platform was all about mass social group identity, wide spread bigotry inherently came with the territory. This bigotry has come in many wholesale forms, not least of which yearnings for rabid censorship against all opposition. Thus earning the movement the title "CTRL-Left" (control left).

The wide scale persecution against whites has resulted in a prompt counter-current against the CTRL-Left. In the midst of an "open season" on a group by other groups its only human nature that a solidarity would form for self-preservation. To a certain degree such a balancing scenario can be a healthy thing. There was a time blacks were openly persecuted, although that state as a norm ended decades ago. After a relatively calm period of decades, we saw an increasing trend of deliberate marginalization of whites (even by whites) which during this decade matured into open persecution. Naturally, this "Alt-Right" arose to balance the CTRL-Left's trend.

The problem with the Alt-Right is now identity politics are becoming the focus on the right. This is good news for the CTRL-Left as to them any and all possible notions of a white person being proud of who they are (based on the left's insistence that our color defines us as individuals) is tantamount to white supremacy, which itself is the ultimate enemy to be destroyed.

The folly in that binary mentality thinking is that what these "SJW's" themselves have been overtly screaming for is their own groups Supremacy. How can one group yearning for supremacy be the ultimate evil, while the one against them yearning for the same thing be the ultimate just cause? The truth always being in the middle of course, no group should have supremacy for a just world. In a sane just world that doesn't drip in hypocrisy, any group trying to assert itself over other groups should be shot down by everybody. We're all individuals after all, unless you're a racist.

Yet with the CTRL-Left, to them any and all notions of white pride, whites being proud to be white, is one in the same as actual overt white supremacist bigotry. Let's just say they're right, that pride = supremacy. Then how do they get off supporting the black power BLM front? How are gay PRIDE parades anything to be admired?

My goal here isn't even to criticize any of these groups. It's all about showing the endless time after time pitfalls of what happens when you converge mass social group identities with politics; with political parties.

The only identity that even makes sense in politics is nationality. Yes, that's right, nationalism. Either you're for your nation or you're not, if the only alternative is an appeal to a global open borders and a global government (globalism). With only two dichotomies there truly is but a simple choice on this. How that came to be a "left" versus "right" thing, when precisely that came about I'm not even sure. But that idea certainly isn't as old as the 'left right paradigm'. Note that I declare the ALt/Alt isn't even in support of said left right paradigm. Left vs. right only leads to a divisively divided and conquer society. Who could possibly disagree on this point at this point in history? I know many are going to scoff at this, but if you fight for freedom and all that good stuff in your nation why would you gamble with handed over the rights enshrined in your sovereignty over to a higher level of government (when the federal government tier we're already confronted with is already untouchable enough as it is).

Just look around America today. We're seeing every tribe but "American" put first. This has been going on for decades in the ongoing epic saga of a struggle between Democrat & Republican supremacy. This not so dynamic duo that cant possibly represent hundreds of millions of people, where the people in this futile pendulum of insanity happily work together in essence if not overtly to stomp out "third" parties. If one "side" of this equation wasn't so staunchly paying lip service to diversity then the irony metric wouldn't be off the charts on this point.

After decades of party supremacy, what would anyone expect to happen regarding racial supremacy when race is overtly brought into the mix? Of course it doesn't even end with race, there's also religion, sexuality, gender and so on where the side pushing as their platform this intense social devolutionary tribalism are the same ones who claim to effectively worship evolution. The results are a new breed of social darwinism, which was hyper-racism of times past (and was the primary ideal that inspired Hitler's Aryanism).

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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:17 PM

It's time for social evolution yes, especially in this century when on the ever nearing horizon we have cataclysmic technology shifts (such as strong artificial intelligence) that in of themselves threaten to wipe out humanity. Even absent an 'AI takeover', hyper-tribalist humans armed with such intense new paradigm in technology only promises social group warfare like nothing ever seen before. What we've seen just this decade already with social meda and social conflict absolutely prove my point. We failed the social media test, so far, because we further embraced hyper-tribalism rather than grow above and beyond it. In the process we're all devastatingly distracted from this technology front, pitted against each other to what could quickly spiral into a hot civil war, whle even without it we're all hopelessly divided to ever come together as one to rise up against the true threats to us all whether as American's or as humans. The CTRL-Left & Alt-Right trends we've been seeing, if this stuff was all 30 years ago it wouldn't have been such a disaster in progess. In this decade for it to just be getting going it threatens the survival of not only our species but every other living macro species on the entire planet.

So it's time for true change. And this change can't come from one party; it cant come from tribal supremacy; IT CANT COME FROM MORE TRIBALISM. It isn't about "conservatism" or "liberalism" (whatever either of those actually mean in one place or another one decade to the next).

The Alt/Alt transcends left and right, which decade after decade have proven that in their wake always seems to be lost right and wrong. Therefore its about centrism.

It's about humanism. Humanism to ensure that nationalism doesn't lead to imperialism.

It's about universalism, that is its about all human beings as individuals have universal equal rights that cannot be trampled on by groups, special interests or entities like corporations.

I have to call you out on this CTRL-Left: You've had your rage now. The irony that about the same time blacks after having equal rights and things like affirmative action and then a black president, and gays having equal rights, and women having equal rights and now every trend of education and employment has you on the winning outcome the idea that you all banded together against straight white males and engaged in mass open persecution isn't any more right than whatever injustices you may have suffered. Can you seriously deny that "social justice" in practice this decades hasn't played out as PAYBACK? Well you've had our fun. Either stop now of the Alt-Right will inevitably evolve into actual white supremacy. This "oppression" you've been screaming about will become reality. And the persecution will be universal. Peace will become futile. And then life on earth may very well all ecome extinct over the next few decades.

And you, Alt-Right, you yourself are playing with becoming what you're rising up against. Sure for now you're all a sort of rag tag of different people whom are opposed to the identity politics of the CTRL-Left. With you for now it isn't some dogmatic doctrine as is the case with the PC "NuLiberals". But keep it going and it will be, as after all in truth white supremacists groups do inherently fall under your broad counter-SJW banner. With them inherently in your ranks, if the liberals keep it up, can you honestly exclaim that white supremacy isn't your future? I'm sure you all love pointing out how absolutely hypocritically insane the SJW's have been in practice. Well the Alt/Alt smearing you for being the same and worse is in your future if you don't socially evolve like they need to.

So all of you, if you want to see an end to partisan bickering, to wars, to famine, to racism and you name it forms of bigotry the way forward is Socio-Agnositicism (social agnosticism), the way forward is the Alt/Alt.

* Hyper-Tribalism as our most assured route to De-Evolutionary Extinction
*"Socio Agnosticism"

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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:18 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

What were Nazi's? I've seen cases made for both the left and the right...
Whats your opinion?

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:21 PM
a reply to: THirdKinds

I dont think much specific about their actual policies; I dont study them in terms of left or right.

To me its all about their identity political propaganda model, which I detail here:

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:23 PM
wrong thread
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:26 PM

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:38 PM
wow just wow s/f very well put.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:39 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Well done. And I agree with the majority of your sentiment.

And furthermore, I've always been an advocate that The Roman Empire's collapse was primarily due to tribalism. When studied from that approach you can clearly see the parallels to modern day "empires" and globalist ambitions.

History is repeating itself to an audience that's deaf and blind.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:43 PM

Do all note that while the 'nu' thing for the left the past decade has been to go all out in identity politics, and in response we saw this Alt Right emerge to counter them, there's a natural tendency to label the "NuLiberals" (as I like to call them) "Alt Left", yet liberal dissidents against identity politics insanity apparently call themselves the "Alt Left" (which is something, as I and others have been alleging for some time that this identity politics stuff is firmly already the mainstream current in modern 'liberalism'):

Firm believers in a Liberal/Social Democracy ex.( Liberties mentioned in The Bill of Rights etc...) but with a type of Socialist Market Economy;
An alternative political movement that seeks to unite those who feel underrepresented or marginalized by current mainstream political channels, who seek to adhere to left-wing policies while rejecting what they deem the regressive left agenda; "Identity Politics", "Censorship in College campuses","Trigger Warnings", "All whites are racist", "All men are sexist" and other BS narratives.


The Hive Mind - Crowd Psychology - What lies behind collective thought and reason - Why Social Media Failed - the crow, a study of the popular mind - french social psychologist sociologist gustave le bon - crowd herd behaviour - twitter facebook reddit - marina joyce - no man's sky hype anger lies rage - hysterical crowds masses - hypnotized - forums - maniac mob - stock market crash reason - primitive barbaric behaviour in masses groups crowds - Why crowds go crazy fast - Why there is so much anger on the internet web - Witchhunt Witchhunts

Gustave Le Bon - The Crowd - on Amazon:

Central mass psychological theses
Types of materials:
A. Dissimilar materials (foules hétérogènes)
1. nameless masses (as street collections)
2. Not nameless (for example, jury, Parliament)
B. Similar masses (foules homogeneous)
1. sects (political, religious, others)
2. Case (military, priests, workers box, etc.)
3. Classes (citizens, farmers, etc.).
Nature, function and evaluation of the mass:
A mass is basically impulsive, mobile, irritable, suggestible, gullible, obsessed with exaggerated and ingenious ideas, intolerant and dictatorial.
Mass transport mainly ideas and cultural objectives that are only realized by the few who can keep from mass distance.
The individual can only in the mass ascend to heights or sink down into depths (mostly the latter).
Origin of mass is the mass psyche that emerges again from a racial soul than the common, inherited cultural substrate.
Anglo-Saxon masses react differently Romanesque, often show even contradictory ways of reacting.
Modern materials are mainly characterized by a boundless egotism, brings decay and spiritually barren mob rule with him.
The emerging mass age has to be assessed negatively, as here now overpowering masses are no longer bound by ideals, traditions and institutions.
Suggestibility and gullibility:
The members of a mass forfeit the critical faculties of which they have as individuals. Your personality vanishes.
The mass may not differ from factual Personal.
They succumb easily suggestions, their effect of hypnosis is similar, and is hysterical; it is easy to steer.
Therefore, it is also susceptible to legends that deal with most heroic leaders and events.
The opinion in the mass is carried out by mental contagion.
Intelligence, emotion and bias:
The mass is only slightly intelligent.
She thinks one side rough and undifferentiated in both good and evil.
The mass does not think logically but in images, which are often caused by simple voice symbolism.
The mass is easily excitable, gullible and erratic. Your emotion is simple.
Judgments, actions and beliefs of the mass:
The ground is very conservative in general.
The mass can not be convinced by logical arguments, but only emotional.
The mass is sometimes disinterested, possibly also virtuous or heroic, then often in the exuberance.
The mass is intolerant and domineering.
You can be very cruel, far beyond the individuals Possible addition, and is given suitable guidance willing to revolutions.
The core beliefs of the mass change only very slowly.
The moral judgments of a mass independent of the origin or the intellect of its members.
The mass judging by hasty generalization of individual cases.
Your beliefs quickly take on religious overtones and often based on wishful thinking.
Leader of masses:
Guides and ideas are rapidly charismatic properties (Nimbus or "prestige").
Without a guide, the composition is as a flock without a shepherd.
Leaders are not thinkers, but men of action, occasionally one finds among them nervous, irritable and half crazy.
Leaders often act through a great eloquence. Great leaders can awaken a faith and thus control entire nations.
Guide rule is usually violently.
There are two types of leaders: effective short-term and long-term. That depends on the perseverance of her will.
Leaders act primarily through three methods: assertion, repetition and contagion and transmission, whose best-known effect is the imitation.
If a leader does not work, it quickly loses its aura and goes under.

SUPPLEMENTAL C: Cycles of Violence

Break free!!!

SUPPLEMENTAL D: Hyper-Tribalism

When leadership elements socially engineer all primary mass social group identities into one singular SOLID mindlessly defensive and irrational super-identity. Where normally each identity would be like a 'finger' of thinking for each individual, instead the hyper-tribalist overtly molds them all into one solid FIST of singular thought (and as such we've seent eh nuLiberals spout off at all of their opposition the same played out line of "you're a racist sexist homophobe xenophobe etc etc bigot"). The results are the highest level of mind control conceivable short of theoretical brain implant technology.

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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:58 PM
SUPPLEMENTAL E: The 7 Stages of Extremist Hate Groups

Be honest with yourself:
Where does your team fall on this 'chart'?

The 7 Stages of an Extremist Hate Group
Stage 1: Grouping
- They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as they do. Peer validation bolsters a sense of self-worth and, at the same time, prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities. Further, individuals who are otherwise ineffective become empowered when they join groups, which also provide anonymity and diminished accountability.

Stage 2: Defining
– Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies, which enhance the members’ status and, at the same time, degrade the object of their hate. For example, skinhead groups may adopt the swastika, the iron cross, the Confederate flag, and other supremacist symbols. Group-specific symbols or clothing often differentiate hate groups. Group rituals, such as hand signals and secret greetings, further fortify members.

Stage 3: Disparaging
– Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause. By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their self-image, as well as their group status. In skinhead groups, racist song lyrics and hate literature provide an environment where hate flourishes. In fact, researchers have found that the life span of aggressive impulses increases with ideation. In other words, the more often a person thinks about aggression, the greater the chance for aggressive behavior to occur.

Stage 4: Taunting
– Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Time cools the fire of hate, thus forcing the hater to look inward. To avoid introspection, haters use ever-increasing degrees of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation. Tauntsand offensive gestures serve this purpose. In this stage, skinheads typically shout racial slurs from moving cars or from afar. Nazi salutes and other hand signals often accompany racial epithets.

Stage 5: Attacking without weapons
– This stage is critical because it differentiates vocally abusive haters from physically abusive ones. In this stage, hate groups become more aggressive, prowling their turf seeking vulnerable targets. Violence coalesces hategroups and further isolates them from mainstream society.

Each successive anger- provoking thought or action builds on residual adrenaline and triggers a more violent response than the one that originally initiated the sequence. Anger builds on anger. The adrenaline high combined with hate becomes a deadly combination.

Stage 6: Attacking with weapons
– Some attackers use firearms to commit hate crimes, but skinheads prefer weapons such as broken bottles, baseball bats, blunt objects,screwdrivers, and belt buckles. These types of weapons require the attacker to be close tothe victim, which further demonstrates the depth of personal anger. Attackers can discharge firearms at a distance, thus precluding personal contact. Close-in onslaughts require the assailants to see their victim eye-to-eye and to become bloodied during the assault. Hands-on violence allows skinheads to express their hate in a way a gun cannot. Personal contact empowers and fulfills a deep-seated need to have dominance over others.

Stage 7: Destroying
– The ultimate goal of haters is to destroy the object of their hate.Mastery over life and death imbues the hater with godlike power and omnipotence,which, in turn, facilitate further acts of violence. With this power comes a great sense of self-worth and value, the very qualities haters lack. However, in reality, hate physically and psychologically destroys both the hater and the hated.

SUPPLEMENTAL F: The Ten Planks of Collective Narcissism

What a supremacist thinks like:

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
1. Everyone needs to recognize the authority of our group.
2. Our group has all predispositions to influence others.
3. When our group rules the world it will be a much better place.
4. Our group is extraordinary.
5. Our group must be the center of attention.
6. We will never be satisfied until our group gets all that it deserves.
7. We must insist upon our group getting the respect that is due to it.
8. Our group must amount to something in the eyes of the world.
9. Everyone needs to understand that our group is the most important.
10. Our group deserves special rights beyond that of those we deem as opposing it.
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:00 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

So you and me will be from now on be called ALT/ALT?

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:03 PM
a reply to: Deaf Alien

If you're diametrically opposed to identity politics / hyper-tribalism and all of the forms of extremism that result from it, then YES!

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:08 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I am a lazer. I dont use any of these labels on people. The ctrl left one is funny.

S & F

Well put.

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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:09 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Then those people on the left who reject extremism would be called ALT-ALT-Left and those on the right who reject extremism would be called ALT-ALT-Right?

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:16 PM
a reply to: Deaf Alien


Yes left & right politics can still be compatible with it assuming tribalism mania has all been stripped out of it.

This is a hard concept to figure out down to the simplicity I managed with this iteration piece.

For now we still have to have political parties as that's the model. Well parties are tribes. A pure form of "Alt-Alt" wouldn't even have parties (to which I have thought it all the way through back in the day for a ne w system devoid of traditional corruptible politicians, which I call "Consensual Taxation").

But for now if we could strip out all of the other mass social group identities then it wouldn't inherently mean the parties to Hyper-Tribalist.

That would be a huge step in clearing out most of the over the top divisions and tidy up our torn social fabric. But pure political party division is bad enough before 'weaponizing' the whole scene with all this other stuff like how people prefer their orgasms.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:16 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You're certainly hitting the nail on the head this week.
Not much to add except that there are outside forces attempting to foment exactly the things you've brought up and people are predictable enough to fall for it.


Another excellent thread.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:23 PM

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Deaf Alien

If you're diametrically opposed to identity politics / hyper-tribalism and all of the forms of extremism that result from it, then YES!

You're a bit late. I can smell your too!!!

The war drums have started. The hyper tribalism, hyper nationalism and extremism are just getting started and will reach epidemic proportions in due time. Glad I don't have any kids.

business as usual....

look familiar?
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 08:09 PM
I see the alt-right as people who do not support the establishment right but who still have conservative values. I believe the majority of the alt-right are libertarian constitutionalists. The minority of white supremacists of the alt-right should be called the alt-white. Bernie supporters should be called the alt-left. & Hillary & traditional DNC Establishment supporters should be called ctrl-left. I see little difference between establishment Republicans & establishment Democrats.

Tribalism is a primitive instinct hardwired into our brains for survival as a whole. Imo, without tribalism there is no such thing as any group. Sports teams wouldn't exist, eliminating certain sports. There would be no cultural differences in music, food, etc.. There would be no businesses or anything produced by a business & no governments, police or law & order. We might get there someday If the transhumanists have their way. "We are Borg. You will be assimilated Resistance is futile".
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 08:21 PM
a reply to: olaru12

If 10 years ago I had spent all of my time preaching about it then it wouldn't have made too big an impact. I must admit I was taken by surprise at just how far Obama and his minion horde went in pushing revamped Nazi Identity Politics. But it was really always going to take the SJW overthrow, and then the subsequent Alt Right response to them, and it all be such a big ordeal, to both cause me to dig deep into my little 'thing' here and lay out how it all works and it be just clear and present. The left eating themselves alive they way they have been, short of that they were never going to listen all along. Even still its tragically daunting to snap everyone out of this backwards insanity.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 08:37 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

From an outsiders view I've been mystified by the way the lefts commitment to the Russia narrative while ignoring the meddling and funding from Soros.
In his own words he promotes chaos and the destruction of societies from within.

Also, I've only recently began looking deeper into the Kalergi - Coudenhove plan for a unified Europe and was fascinated to find that both Bush and Clinton received the Charlemagne Prize for their contribution!

I need to look into all of these things much more, obviously, but this is what I meant by outside forces. As a Brit, I've not really seen so much of this division but it is growing fast since the brexit vote. It is a shame that nations can reach such polarity within while those pulling the strings sit and laugh at us like some kind of James Bond movie Villain.
Anyway S n F again.

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