a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
I just finished watching the film. Here is my take. It is a very dark way of looking at automation and the world.
So a couple of things. A carbon tax is not morally equivalent to forced sterilization. That is off the wall hyperbole. So let's just ignore the 10
second reference to carbon taxes which given the content of the film makes absolute no sense to be even mentioned.
The other thing is the film assumes population growth is inevitable. That is not the case. Every country with high rates of female literacy birth
rates are pretty much equal to death rates.
The other thing is I do not think the oligarchy is out to kill all the humans. Human beings create interesting culture which people in the oligarchy
enjoy. So culture is a huge value. Not everything valuable about human beings is measured in unit labor costs.
The other thing the film talks about artificial intelligence. Computers are good at doing 10,000 additions per second. Computers are not good at
solving difficult programs they have not been programmed to do. Programs ONLY do what they are programmed to do. You can't prove a negative but if
artificial intelligence was just around the corner it would have been done by now. We've had modern day computers for 60 years. In that time the way
computers work as not change at all. And there's been plenty of time for AI to come into existence. But it has not. But people who make their
career of AI research and the promise of AI always say it's just around the corner. Programs are only as smart as their creator. I think we are safe
It is true manual labor is being replaced by automation. But this has been going on for 100 years. Just because we have EZ-Pass at highway toll
booths doesn't mean society is going to collapse. There is always more work to do. Automation doesn't mean anything.
So what do we need to do as a society to have meaningful work. The answer is quite simple. Consider the Olympics. Why do we have the Olympics?
What purpose do the Olympics serve? None. The Olympics has no other purpose other than they are fun. Think of all the human activity and commerce
around the Olympics. The Olympics is one of the most meaningful things anyone can have in their life. One of my friends is an Olympic athlete. He
is a school principle now but everything about his life becomes meaningful through his Olympic experience. How is the oligarchy going to feel special
if they can't buy the very best seats at events like the Olympics.
So using the Olympics as a model, what we need in the world are structures in place that provide meaningful employment and activity. Sports is a
great example. We need to have professionally paid artists with competition. We have American Idol for singing. We need more structures in culture
creating meaningful employment.
A really good place to start is healthcare. Make healthcare for everyone as important as the Olympics to oligarchy.
I get the idea of UBI seems like some dystopian nightmare but I don't think so. All the money doled out is just spent. It goes right back to the
CEOs just like with food stamps. Food stamps on a dollar bases is the most effective stimulus of the economy. I don't think UBI is the end of
My problem with the film is if they are going to blast modern society in a cherry picking way of why it is some kind of dystopian nightmare then the
authors of the film have to provide a viable solution. If having the entire world population farm 5 acre plots where if you don't work you die is the
solution then they should say that is their solution.
If the question is how do we employ everyone with meaningful work then cultural structures like the Olympics is the answer.
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