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Enraged Dad to GOP Lawmaker: 'You've Been Single Greatest Threat to My Family'

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posted on May, 13 2017 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

I was specific with those claiming "health care is a right". As in the patient has a full "right" to all medical goods and services of those who provide it. As in "at no cost" and "on demand" because it is a "right". I do not support this at all. It is akin to the tenets of slavery.

That's about as far from an endorsement of Socialism as one can get on the subject.

I am not sure how we got to an employer getting all proceeds from your labor. That is also akin to slavery. However, if your labor is sold to your employer at an agreed upon price then that would not be "all proceeds".




posted on May, 13 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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The hyperbole is mind numbing...

1. Doctors, pharmacists, nurses, and medical technicians receive some of the most expensive and intensive educations in the world. They also are subjected to some of the most frivolous and expensive lawsuit risks in the world. OF COURSE MEDICINE IS A FOR PROFIT INDUSTRY!!! Who the fiddlesticks invests 8+ years of schooling and internships alongside hundreds of thousands of dollars, long hours, miserable work, and dealing with assholes daily in a venture where they won't be among the highest compensated workers in the nation? Want a MASSIVE shortage of doctors and nurses? Just knock their pay back. Holy Christ, as it is everytime you turn around you read about some band of nurses who are striking for better pay, hours, and benefits... where does the money to keep them happy come from?

2. Millions may lose their insurance... hey, welcome to the plight of tens of millions of Americans who were happy with our coverage pre-ACA. After ACA many of us could not afford to see a damn doctor outside of emergencies thanks to the astronomical premium and deductible increases required to cover the 5% of Americans who are eternally sickly and account for MASSIVE expenses compared to the norm. I saw no commiseration from these folks while I was having to go without things I previously could afford to subsidize their ill asses, so I won't be losing any sleep over their inability to provide essentials to themselves.

3. A country is only as strong as the weakest link... subsidizing the will nots off the sweat equity of the will dos isn't strengthening the weak links, it's only temporarily compensating for them. Our chain actually gets weaker because we are adding weaker links constantly while artificially keeping existing weak links in the chain. We need two systems in the country, one paid for by those of us who meet normal contribution AND pay out levels that is self funded and one for those who either contribute nothing or claim exorbitant pay outs that is funded via charity alone. Let the bleeding hearts run uphill in the mud, leave the rest of us out of it.
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posted on May, 13 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
Government created healthcare. Anything with Government on it doesn't mean anything good for you.

Suckers.


So no FAA. Or Military? Food safety and inspection? as bad as it is....no VA. No Border Patrol?
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posted on May, 13 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Brilliantly surmised.




posted on May, 13 2017 @ 10:45 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

To address your first point:

Being a for-profit industry is not necessarily what results in pay commensurate to skill. Beyond that, it doesn't address the individuals, and groups of individuals, that not only did not go through the extensive training but don't have any of those skills in the first place.

Those people tend to bring in significantly more pay than the ones actually practicing medicine. I hesitate to name any one position, as there are quite a few.

So, if we are going to examine pay based on skill, rigorous training, and a continuing participation in healing.. it might not be a bad idea to honestly examine who is actually doing the work. Especially since much of the money floating around the medical industry, and its ancillaries, may not be proportionally earned by those I (and perhaps you) hold in such esteem.

In the interest of full disclosure, I think the health system in the US is atrocious in many regards. But, I'm not at all convinced its necessarily done better elsewhere either. Regardless, my own experiences (and life) tell me there is a hell of a lot of room for improvement.



posted on May, 13 2017 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

i'm just hoping i am not gonna get a penalty for not having insurance. for all those that lost insurance or are about to lose insurance sorry for you. hope i don't end up with cancer anytime soon as it will be couple years before i can afford insurance.



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: luke1212
a reply to: Southern Guardian

i'm just hoping i am not gonna get a penalty for not having insurance. for all those that lost insurance or are about to lose insurance sorry for you. hope i don't end up with cancer anytime soon as it will be couple years before i can afford insurance.

'Nuff said...



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: luke1212
a reply to: Southern Guardian

i'm just hoping i am not gonna get a penalty for not having insurance. for all those that lost insurance or are about to lose insurance sorry for you. hope i don't end up with cancer anytime soon as it will be couple years before i can afford insurance.


First of all, depending upon what state you’re in, if you are unable to afford insurance, you SHOULD HAVE signed up for Obamacare because that would have plugged you into the Medicaid system, which opens up numerous other options. Obamacare is an unnecessary intermediary, but my understanding is that under the law, most states won’t put you on Medicaid until you sign up for Obamacare first. Stupid, I know...

Anyway…

Back in February, my CPA advised me to pay the penalty of $695 for my 2016 personal returns because even she was unsure if the IRS would be enforcing that part of the Obamacare tax. I’ve spoken to my lawyer since, and he said that was probably a good idea. My guess is, since Obamacare is in fact a “tax”, and only Congress can repeal it, the Trump EO does not have the constitutional authority to “waive” the penalty.

Sorry about that, but you can thank Obama and the 2009 socialist Congress for the current mess we’re in…

As for your concerns about future health issues, if you found out you had cancer tomorrow (God forbid!), Obamacare or no Obamacare, you would never be denied treatment. If you were financially unable to pay for insurance, you would qualify for numerous programs, both public and private, that pre-date Obamacare, including Medicaid.

All medical treatment facilities that receive public funds are required to have a staff to help those who cannot pay get the treatment they require. A good place to start would be your local county or state health department (social services, etc…).

Also, there are a multitude of NPO’s out there who do nothing but help people who need it.

All of this existed before Obamacare.

If I were you, I would not count on Obamacare being replaced. Personally, at this point I don’t think it will be. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling it will collapse long before the Senate comes up with their version of Trumpcare and we will basically go back to the free market-based system we had before.

All that being said, if you’re concerned about your health (which you should definitely be!), you are your own best doctor. Don't smoke (that’s the Big One!), don’t drink (or do so VERY moderately), exercise regularly, and eat a healthy low-carb, high protein, veggie-rich diet.

Did that last part make me sound like your mother, heh heh heh?

Best of luck!



posted on May, 14 2017 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Wait a minute. You replied to SBMcG on the first page saying sarcastically that health care was fine before Obama care., therefore implying we can't call it a democrat caused disater.

And yet your thread is about how republicans are now to be blamed, ignoring what a disaster Obama care was.

Seems hypocritical to me.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

So you really want a doctor or nurse that is your only hope of life - doing it for the money?

Is there no higher 'value' in life then profit?

I want a doctor that is more concerned with my wellbeing and not 'selling me' on the latest/most expensive medical fad.

And our taxes should pay for their education and insurance.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It doesn't remove it but it changes it to where you have to pay more if you have pre existing conditions. Thus causing the poor and sick to not be able to afford coverage



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

I agree and i believe subsidizing medical schools would help bring costs down



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
It's become fairly evident to anybody with half a brain that the GOP's replacement to Obamacare will be an absolute disaster:


Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-NJ) faced constituents Wednesday night, many of them furious over the House's passage of an ObamaCare replacement bill.

One man, a health care industry employee named Geoff Ginter, was particularly intense, pointing at MacArthur and calling him the "single greatest threat" to his family.

The man said his wife beat cancer, but they worry that it could return and that their two children both have pre-existing medical conditions. He expressed concern that under the American Health Care Act, they could lose coverage.

insider.foxnews.com...

This from Fox News. To state the obvious, millions have found coverage under the ACA and millions will be set to lose that coverage the minute it's repealed and replaced with Trumpcare. This means more uninsured entering the population, more ER visits, more unpaid hospital bills, more bankruptcies and in turn the tax payer foots much of these costs. Do you think those unpaid ER and hospital visits will magically disappear? I really feel for this man. This is what he said below in a public meeting to Rep. McArthur:


"My wife was diagnosed with cancer when she was 40 years old. She beat it, but every day—every day—she lives with it. She thinks about it. Every pain, every new something going on somewhere, is it coming back? Is this cancer? Do I have it again? Is it gonna kill me this time? Is it gonna take me away from my children? Speaking of which: my children. Both have pre-existing conditions from birth. One cardiac, one thyroid. You have been the single greatest threat to my family in the entire world. You are the reason I stay up at night. You are the reason that I cannot sleep. What happens if I lose my job?"

insider.foxnews.com...

I know too many folks who share these same concerns as this man. I'm a not a fan of Obamacare. Frankly the entire thing needs to be changed to single payer. If the GOP pulled their heads out of the sand and pushed for single payer, I guarantee you they'd have millions more support for years to come. The issue of healthcare in America has gone well beyond ideology. It's hitting families hard, it's costing people lives and it's costing the tax payer billions. What the GOP are doing are essentially saying 'let it be' as if we should accept this as normal. This isn't normal. This isn't right. The rest of the world sees this.



The only way to fix healthcare is to expose it to the free market and prices will fall dramatically. The reason prices will fall is because if everyone was forced to pay these outrageous prices then no one would seek medical care and soon after the prices would lower or We would find a lot of doctors living under the bridge. You can disagree all You want but You need to realize that every product or service which isn't subsidized by the government is dirt cheap where as the products and services which receive government funding keeps going up year after year.



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Do you even know what socialism actually is?



posted on May, 15 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Obamacare was great and anything Trump does will be bad....same old story...obamacare made insurance affordable and Trumpcare will drive prices higher....uh huh...

I had surgery several times and was hospitalized multiple times in the last eight years. I know for a fact prices did not go down with the introduction of obamacare. In fact, I have the bills from two identical hospital stays almost exactly one year apart, 2/2014 and 3/2015. Some condition, same treatment, same duration. The second stay cost almost $3000 more than the first. How could that possibly have happened during the wonder years of obamacare?

It must be Bush's fault...



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