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Rightous Indignation

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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

I often point out that the current issues aren't "anti-Trump". They are "anti-American".

From flag burning to outright violence, we see the distinction.

If Hillary had been elected, we would have traveled farther down the road to socialism, a soft dictatorship, with government growing more controlling, more powerful.

With Trump, you see a difference that even has republicans at odds with each other. So many see things like healthcare as a responsibility of government and not a responsibility of the individual.

Same goes for safety, employment, raising a family, buying a house, to education.

People aren't anti-Trump, they are anti-Constitution, anti-American, anti-freedom.




posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage
The Maori would "punk" their rivals before a fight.. with ad hominems.. to provoke rage. Rage makes one more prone to mistakes.




They also ate people and never landed on the moon. Citing a warrior culture as reasonable debate strategists isn't the best comparison.


Yeah, I bet if I fry up a few of your relatives it wont matter if I travel to a dead rock or not.. youll fear me. And get my nice xmas presents too.



Yes. I would fear you. Just as I fear all psychopaths. Again, that doesn't fall under the category of reasonable debate.


Sure it does, silly.. dont debate with hungry psychopaths. Id say that was VERY reasonable. If I wore a necklace of your childrens heads would you get me shiny xmas presents?? I was going down the Kali-ma road there.. sorry. Damned psychopathic HIndus... and Maori. Should I add to the list of anyone else's ancestors?? My own psychopathy is a modern invention.. it comes from debating people on ATS that cant be bothered to consult a hebrew or greek list of definitions of archaic terms as translated by olde english authors .... right here on ATS.



I can totally relate to reaching down and accessing what you are talking about when it's needed and I give shout-outs to Kali on a rather frequent basis (heh).

My point is that I don't bring that facet of my soul, spirit, or being into conversations or debates because it's not conducive. I like living in a civil society, complete with all the politeness and rules that come along with it. I save the other stuff for when politeness isn't what is called for.

Debate requires etiquette if it is to be conducive. Eating people or wearing their children around your neck as trophies isn't that. That was my point.


ps edit - I just realized you took my last post as a personal attack. I wasn't calling you a "psychopath". I was referring to those who debate with forks and spices in their hands.


**snicker*

And Im polite. I also didnt take anything as a personal attack.. I dont really care about personal attacks. Theyre kind of empty online. Politeness isnt usually a norm in RANT threads.. or mud pits... but its funny what one person will call politeness and then turn around and be impolite. Its the ever moving yardstick with people. Politeness usually covers a persons real inside feelings like a societal mask... and then when properly poked with some words.. they reveal who they are. The routinely impolite then expect us to all have amnesia when speaking to them further or on another subject... so they can call foul and have others without long memories to come to their aid. Me? Im polite, but Im also honest.. and being mercenary is not one of my hidden attributes, its pretty well on my sleeve. I have polite conversations with polite people. I have eviscerating conversations with the impolite 2 faced flip flopping BSers... or those that take up their cause... politely.
I find the Maori refreshingly honest.. rather than the savage warriors you describe. Id prefer the Maori over the oh so polite and civilized that will eat at your table and slit your throat from behind.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

"People aren't anti-Trump, they are anti-Constitution, anti-American, anti-freedom".


Thanks, I think you summarized that very succinctly. The entitlement mentality has ruined this country and the career politicians should be held accountable for the perpetuation of this mindset. Adherence to Conservative and Constitutional government practices would have never brought us to this point in history.

Liberal thought and science have replaced the American narrative of hard work, belief in a higher power and self reliance. We are only as strong as our weakest link and it appears that the weak link is a form of Progressive Socialism permitted to grow by our self appointed government of blue state "educated liberal" elites. We need to retrench and adopt a radical new paradigm or we are finished. Conservatism has it's faults but Liberalism is a mental disorder.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Well... not ALL liberals are anti American idiots. By far. Not all conservatives are constitutionalists are freedom loving citizens, either. We each have some very insidious people covered by these labels.. liberal and conservative... who are either purposely ( or just mental) or by stupidity promoting some of the most anti American things Ive heard. Its up to us all to distance and shun these types and NEVER give them a platform.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Advantage



I could wear a tutu.

But that doesn't mean I'd make a good ballerina. Whatever they "dress" themselves as is almost pointless.

We have to look at what they do and what they promote.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Advantage



I could wear a tutu.

But that doesn't mean I'd make a good ballerina. Whatever they "dress" themselves as is almost pointless.

We have to look at what they do and what they promote.

Exactly!

ALthough I am traumatized by the mental pic I got of you in a tutu.. you and I are in total agreement on that.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Advantage
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Well... not ALL liberals are anti American idiots. By far. Not all conservatives are constitutionalists are freedom loving citizens, either. We each have some very insidious people covered by these labels.. liberal and conservative... who are either purposely ( or just mental) or by stupidity promoting some of the most anti American things Ive heard. Its up to us all to distance and shun these types and NEVER give them a platform.


I hate to paint with such a broad brush but it seems that the only way to communicate a point is with a quick bold statement, I find in necessary because of that five second attention span our electronic devices have conditioned into the less critical thinkers.

I understand the liberal viewpoint and have great respect for some with liberal ideology, my wife comes to mind, and yet I can never manage to get through the cloud of MSM programing that she views as reality. Your points are well taken and appreciated but I stand by my statement and offer an old quote to be quite profound:

""If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain"



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute

originally posted by: Advantage
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Well... not ALL liberals are anti American idiots. By far. Not all conservatives are constitutionalists are freedom loving citizens, either. We each have some very insidious people covered by these labels.. liberal and conservative... who are either purposely ( or just mental) or by stupidity promoting some of the most anti American things Ive heard. Its up to us all to distance and shun these types and NEVER give them a platform.


I hate to paint with such a broad brush but it seems that the only way to communicate a point is with a quick bold statement, I find in necessary because of that five second attention span our electronic devices have conditioned into the less critical thinkers.

I understand the liberal viewpoint and have great respect for some with liberal ideology, my wife comes to mind, and yet I can never manage to get through the cloud of MSM programing that she views as reality. Your points are well taken and appreciated but I stand by my statement and offer an old quote to be quite profound:

""If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain"


I am old, and apparently never had a heart.
I was not given to this type of thinking many of the liberals of today have even in my youth... certainly Im more rigid even in my old age. BUT.. if we who call ourselves Patriots dont call out our own pieces of crap in under our label ( which labels are BS but in todays US we live by them) then we arent any better than the liberals who dont call out their socialists and freedom haters and violent POS that fly under their own labels. Lead by example.. even here in discussions.

Humans today have lower attention spans than a goldfish. Its no joke..
Humans vs Goldfish



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: Advantage

"BUT.. if we who call ourselves Patriots dont call out our own pieces of crap in under our label ( which labels are BS but in todays US we live by them) then we arent any better than the liberals who dont call out their socialists and freedom haters and violent POS that fly under their own labels."

I admit to owning that quote posted, I pretty much came of age in the late 1960's with all that entails. I essentially agree with your point that every group needs to disavow those who hate America and the idea of American values. Labels are BS, but are necessary to convey an idea or concept quickly without the infinite detail and vocabulary of language....no one wants to read a paragraph on liberal ideology when a simple abbreviation like SJW conveys the same information. Granted that the paragraph on ideology would be more succinct and accurate in a blog, but no one wants to read a textbook when a word will suffice.

If you can offer an alternative to social labeling I would be interested.




posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 07:03 PM
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Al I see here is god, hope, flag, patriot.

You haven't pointed to anything of substance here.

But this certainly is part of the problem we (L) have with you. You seem to have little to no understanding of actual issues. And worse, you don't seem to want to know. Or make any effort at learning.

Look what you have been blinded by here. Do you have any understanding of business or international trade? Can you explain to me why isolationist trade policies may not be a good idea? Do you know where and why the next war will occur?

With most of you people the answer is: God! Patriot!

Do you not realize how you appear? And you repeat, word for word, the propaganda you are fed. Yes, it's noticeable.

Other people are "more privileged" than you? How? Because a black person does not wish to get shot, in an area no where near you, this is giving them some kind of privilege over you - uh, how?

Because women don't wish to be harassed - this has what to do with you? Gay people wish to be treated fairly, not be harassed either, and this is taking some privilege away from some good ole boy in Nebraska, how? And this is taking some privilege away from you - how?

It makes no sense. Patriot? What? And few of you seem to have even the basic grasp of any economic issues. And worse, you don't seem to care. We see you people repeatedly cutting your own throats, since the days of Reagan.

And you're so mad over - what, exactly?

WE feel like YOU are harassing US! You are, you men are harassing women. MRA and PUA sites TELL MEN TO DO THIS. That's a blatant example. Notice the repeated use of the slur "Leftard" right here on this site. And everywhere.

Oh and you're persecuted for being a "Christian"? No, YOU people are trying to shove this off on the rest of us. We don't care what you personally want to believe. DO NOT shove it off on us.

I and plenty of us get heated up on this too because religion is FALSE. Documented history proves it to be FALSE. There never was any such person as "Jesus Christ". I add this because I believe it could work as a legal argument - you cannot force others to adhere to a system that has no basis in reality and no independent corroboration.

You WILL NOT shove this crap on me. You wanna call that "persecution"? It isn't. It's telling you to KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: FalseMove
Al I see here is god, hope, flag, patriot.

You haven't pointed to anything of substance here.

But this certainly is part of the problem we (L) have with you. You seem to have little to no understanding of actual issues. And worse, you don't seem to want to know. Or make any effort at learning.

Look what you have been blinded by here. Do you have any understanding of business or international trade? Can you explain to me why isolationist trade policies may not be a good idea? Do you know where and why the next war will occur?

With most of you people the answer is: God! Patriot!

Do you not realize how you appear? And you repeat, word for word, the propaganda you are fed. Yes, it's noticeable.

Other people are "more privileged" than you? How? Because a black person does not wish to get shot, in an area no where near you, this is giving them some kind of privilege over you - uh, how?

Because women don't wish to be harassed - this has what to do with you? Gay people wish to be treated fairly, not be harassed either, and this is taking some privilege away from some good ole boy in Nebraska, how? And this is taking some privilege away from you - how?

It makes no sense. Patriot? What? And few of you seem to have even the basic grasp of any economic issues. And worse, you don't seem to care. We see you people repeatedly cutting your own throats, since the days of Reagan.

And you're so mad over - what, exactly?

WE feel like YOU are harassing US! You are, you men are harassing women. MRA and PUA sites TELL MEN TO DO THIS. That's a blatant example. Notice the repeated use of the slur "Leftard" right here on this site. And everywhere.

Oh and you're persecuted for being a "Christian"? No, YOU people are trying to shove this off on the rest of us. We don't care what you personally want to believe. DO NOT shove it off on us.

I and plenty of us get heated up on this too because religion is FALSE. Documented history proves it to be FALSE. There never was any such person as "Jesus Christ". I add this because I believe it could work as a legal argument - you cannot force others to adhere to a system that has no basis in reality and no independent corroboration.

You WILL NOT shove this crap on me. You wanna call that "persecution"? It isn't. It's telling you to KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.



Wow, I don't think I've ever triggered a Libtard this hard, Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.



posted on Mar, 26 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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No, I am correct and if anyone is "triggered" it is you. And those like you.

You have no understanding of any issue and what's worse is - you don't want to know.

Proof? You just yelled TRIGGERED! Without any type of cogent thoughts about what I said. Not one.

Wanna try again? Do you have ANY ideas on domestic or international trade? And "bring jobs back" is not an answer. That's yet another intangible talking point, tell me where, and how, this is going to occur. And, how this relates to protectionism and tariffs.

This is biz stuff that no one should get "triggered" over. So I will assume you wouldn't, either.

Please do tell me what your understanding of these issues are, and how they might be altered to benefit the economy.



posted on Mar, 26 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: FalseMove

"No, I am correct and if anyone is "triggered" it is you. And those like you. You have no understanding of any issue and what's worse is - you don't want to know."

"Al I see here is god, hope, flag, patriot. You haven't pointed to anything of substance here."



Sorry, I don't get triggered because I don't have a SJW outlook, I am a pragmatist. I assume from your full page rant that you are a little triggered and asking me to defend and expound issues not addressed in the original OP is precious. I have a very detailed understanding of today's issues, I'm sure that ideologically we have vastly different view points. I see god, hope, flag and patriot as the only things of substance that remain in America today.

I abhor the rise of progressive fundamentalism — the unflinchingly-held belief that the prevailing vision of the left’s elitist planners is the one and only path to justice in American society is flawed and I reject it. I have grown tired of trying to reason with the indoctrinated Left and would ask that you tone down the Socialist screed a little if possible, some of us adults are growing irritated.



posted on Mar, 26 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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double post......
edit on 26-3-2017 by WilliamtheResolute because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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See all of this...once again is the broad brush that people on one side LOVE to paint the other side with...and yet refuse to pretend they are wearing paint.

You don't get triggered because you don't have an SJW outlook....

The leftist's are elitist...

Liberal thought and science have replaced hard work...blah blah blah

Instead of doing this how I really want...and pointing out the myriad of examples oh conservatives are just as triggered, just as elitist, and call beating down their employees "hard work"

Let me ask you an honest and straight up question

What can you admit that the right, Trump, Bush, whatever...has done wrong? No softening the blow...no responding with well the left does this....(yes I am aware I just did this but my point is I am very capable of talking about what my side did wrong)...so what has the right done that bothers you? What have they done to harm the world?



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: KyoZero

I posted this in the Rant Forum and I don't feel any inclination to continue discussion on this topic. Thank you for your interest in my opinion, I will offer that I have little respect for any of the clowns that have been elected President in the last sixty years and I can list the faults of every one Democrat and Republican. I have drifted toward Libertarian but I think we are well past any chance of saving ourselves at this point. If you find comfort in ideology then embrace it, I remain pragmatic and resolute.





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