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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: SlapMonkey

Bull#. The news has always had an ideological spin. Do you think the news was some paragon of reporting under William Randolph Hearst or something? If you don't want to hear or read it, you are welcome to ignore or turn it off, but if you are willing to dive into it you have to understand that there is propaganda within. And you need to know how to navigate it.

I feel like American schools need classes in critical thinking and identifying propaganda. It's better than the silly idea that all news is biased and therfore not worth listening to because of said bias.


Unfortunately "The Free Press" is owned by the Left and has morphed into an arm of the Deep States media propaganda complex. I haven't trusted the Press since the Kennedy assassination....and over the years it's become even more dishonest and slanted. The fact that there is an investigation into the "alternative media" being in collusion with the Russians to elect Trump is pretty chilling.




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

That is a lie. Fox News, Breitbart, and the rest of the conservative blogosphere is part of the Free Press too. Stop pretending like your forms of media are in the minority. Fox News CONSTANTLY brags about being the number 1 rated news station. Anyone who believes that the media is solely liberal is showing their partisan colors. Though it makes sense since this thread is just you declaring your persecution complex.
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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: Milehigh
As an american feminist man

Can you define what that is?


A socialist Republic

No thanks.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

That is a lie. Fox News, Breitbart, and the rest of the conservative blogosphere is part of the Free Press too. Stop pretending like your forms of media are in the minority. Fox News CONSTANTLY brags about being the number 1 rated news station. Anyone who believes that the media is solely liberal is showing their partisan colors. Though it makes sense since this thread is just you declaring your persecution complex.


Forgive me if I wasn't clear, I stated that the MSM is slanted and partisan. I don't consider Breitbart as the MSM , more a right-wing blog. Fox New has probably risen to the MSM label.....wouldn't know because I don't watch it, I have little tolerance for news personalities either right or left. I sense that you are not a Fox News fan unlike a majority of people who watch MSM news?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: SlapMonkey

Bull#. The news has always had an ideological spin. Do you think the news was some paragon of reporting under William Randolph Hearst or something? If you don't want to hear or read it, you are welcome to ignore or turn it off, but if you are willing to dive into it you have to understand that there is propaganda within. And you need to know how to navigate it.

Oh, come on...you can't even take a relative agreement with your comment and be happy with that?

When I said "propaganda," I should have said spin. I understand the difference, and that was a misspeak (for the most part). But as I've had to note many, many times on ATS, when I find a news story relevant enough to my life or concerns to pay attention, I probably look at no less that five different sites or sources trying to get the whole story, piecing together the best that I can the reality of the situation, so I agree with you on that point.

But my notion still stands--we SHOULD be able to expect a certain level of unbiased reporting by our national news sources, and we do not get that, for the most part.



I feel like American schools need classes in critical thinking and identifying propaganda. It's better than the silly idea that all news is biased and therefore not worth listening to because of said bias. In any case, if I had children the LAST thing I would be doing is be teaching them to ignore the news just because and I would be VERY upset if they subscribed to that ideology. I find such attitudes intellectually embarrassing.

I'm with you--I make sure that my son (who is 13) understands that you can't just read or listen to one source and expect that to be the truth. But it's an even tougher battle with him--his autism (Aspergers) makes him take many things way too literally when they are dripping with ideology or spin, and so it's very tough to fight that battle with him. Even so, I still watch the news with him and discuss things, hoping that he understands that there is always more to a story.

I fully agree with you on teaching critical thinking in schools--we homeschool, and critical thinking is a big part of how we teach him. He is the king of asking the five "Ws" on all topics, then becomes a relative expert for a short while before his attention takes him elsewhere.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: Milehigh
As an american feminist man

Can you define what that is?


A socialist Republic

No thanks.



You know I was wondering the exact same thing but was afraid to ask.......



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

This is what you said:

Unfortunately "The Free Press" is owned by the Left

Now you are moving the goal posts back and saying that the media in general is slanted and partisan. You were wrong. Just admit it.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Oh, come on...you can't even take a relative agreement with your comment and be happy with that?

What can I say? I'm in debate mode. Sorry.



When I said "propaganda," I should have said spin. I understand the difference, and that was a misspeak (for the most part). But as I've had to note many, many times on ATS, when I find a news story relevant enough to my life or concerns to pay attention, I probably look at no less that five different sites or sources trying to get the whole story, piecing together the best that I can the reality of the situation, so I agree with you on that point.

But my notion still stands--we SHOULD be able to expect a certain level of unbiased reporting by our national news sources, and we do not get that, for the most part.

Need I remind you that WRH led a racist propaganda campaign against marijuana that led to it being unscientifically demonized and made illegal? Heck the word marijuana itself is a racist word that is part of that propaganda campaign.


I'm with you--I make sure that my son (who is 13) understands that you can't just read or listen to one source and expect that to be the truth. But it's an even tougher battle with him--his autism (Aspergers) makes him take many things way too literally when they are dripping with ideology or spin, and so it's very tough to fight that battle with him. Even so, I still watch the news with him and discuss things, hoping that he understands that there is always more to a story.

I fully agree with you on teaching critical thinking in schools--we homeschool, and critical thinking is a big part of how we teach him. He is the king of asking the five "Ws" on all topics, then becomes a relative expert for a short while before his attention takes him elsewhere.




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

This is what you said:

Unfortunately "The Free Press" is owned by the Left

Now you are moving the goal posts back and saying that the media in general is slanted and partisan. You were wrong. Just admit it.


I have done no such thing and as always I find myself arguing a point regarding my OP which was clearly stated. I don't think I have ever read an objective post by you and since I admit to being uninterested in learning the Leftist lexicon I will continue to give your opinion as much weight and consideration as it deserves.
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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Dude really? I literally just quoted words you said and showed you contradicting them and now you are pulling a Trump and denying you ever said them (complete with an ad hominem attack too)? WOW!
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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Dude really? I literally just quoted words you said and showed you contradicting them and now you are pulling a Trump and denying you ever said them (complete with an ad hominem attack too)? WOW!


""Though it makes sense since this thread is just you declaring your persecution complex.""

Speaking of ad hominem.......Maybe I'm getting a little too old to pay serious attention to your rant, I admit I am a little predisposed to ad hominem fits.....if I contradicted myself it was unintentional, will you survive?
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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Dude really? I literally just quoted words you said and showed you contradicting them and now you are pulling a Trump and denying you ever said them (complete with an ad hominem attack too)? WOW!


""Though it makes sense since this thread is just you declaring your persecution complex.""

Speaking of ad hominem.......Maybe I'm getting a little too old to pay serious attention to your rant, I admit I am a little predisposed to ad hominem fits.....if I contradicted myself it was unintentional, will you survive?


Ad hominems and curse words have their place. Like that strategically placed hot spice in an Indian dish. The Maori would "punk" their rivals before a fight.. with ad hominems.. to provoke rage. Rage makes one more prone to mistakes.




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: Advantage
The Maori would "punk" their rivals before a fight.. with ad hominems.. to provoke rage. Rage makes one more prone to mistakes.




They also ate people and never landed on the moon. Citing a warrior culture as reasonable debate strategists isn't the best comparison.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage
The Maori would "punk" their rivals before a fight.. with ad hominems.. to provoke rage. Rage makes one more prone to mistakes.




They also ate people and never landed on the moon. Citing a warrior culture as reasonable debate strategists isn't the best comparison.


Yeah, I bet if I fry up a few of your relatives it wont matter if I travel to a dead rock or not.. youll fear me. And get my nice xmas presents too.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage
The Maori would "punk" their rivals before a fight.. with ad hominems.. to provoke rage. Rage makes one more prone to mistakes.




They also ate people and never landed on the moon. Citing a warrior culture as reasonable debate strategists isn't the best comparison.


Yeah, I bet if I fry up a few of your relatives it wont matter if I travel to a dead rock or not.. youll fear me. And get my nice xmas presents too.



Yes. I would fear you. Just as I fear all psychopaths. Again, that doesn't fall under the category of reasonable debate.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage
The Maori would "punk" their rivals before a fight.. with ad hominems.. to provoke rage. Rage makes one more prone to mistakes.




They also ate people and never landed on the moon. Citing a warrior culture as reasonable debate strategists isn't the best comparison.


Yeah, I bet if I fry up a few of your relatives it wont matter if I travel to a dead rock or not.. youll fear me. And get my nice xmas presents too.



Yes. I would fear you. Just as I fear all psychopaths. Again, that doesn't fall under the category of reasonable debate.


Sure it does, silly.. dont debate with hungry psychopaths. Id say that was VERY reasonable. If I wore a necklace of your childrens heads would you get me shiny xmas presents?? I was going down the Kali-ma road there.. sorry. Damned psychopathic HIndus... and Maori. Should I add to the list of anyone else's ancestors?? My own psychopathy is a modern invention.. it comes from debating people on ATS that cant be bothered to consult a hebrew or greek list of definitions of archaic terms as translated by olde english authors .... right here on ATS.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: Milehigh
Pc culture is the result of our country enlightning. As time pass more and more will join in for a free just and democratic country exempt of racism, sexism etc..



You can't get rid of the 'elephant' in the room, by simply ignoring it.

If you don't deal with it its there forever.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Advantage
The Maori would "punk" their rivals before a fight.. with ad hominems.. to provoke rage. Rage makes one more prone to mistakes.




They also ate people and never landed on the moon. Citing a warrior culture as reasonable debate strategists isn't the best comparison.


Yeah, I bet if I fry up a few of your relatives it wont matter if I travel to a dead rock or not.. youll fear me. And get my nice xmas presents too.



Yes. I would fear you. Just as I fear all psychopaths. Again, that doesn't fall under the category of reasonable debate.


Sure it does, silly.. dont debate with hungry psychopaths. Id say that was VERY reasonable. If I wore a necklace of your childrens heads would you get me shiny xmas presents?? I was going down the Kali-ma road there.. sorry. Damned psychopathic HIndus... and Maori. Should I add to the list of anyone else's ancestors?? My own psychopathy is a modern invention.. it comes from debating people on ATS that cant be bothered to consult a hebrew or greek list of definitions of archaic terms as translated by olde english authors .... right here on ATS.



I can totally relate to reaching down and accessing what you are talking about when it's needed and I give shout-outs to Kali on a rather frequent basis (heh).

My point is that I don't bring that facet of my soul, spirit, or being into conversations or debates because it's not conducive. I like living in a civil society, complete with all the politeness and rules that come along with it. I save the other stuff for when politeness isn't what is called for.

Debate requires etiquette if it is to be conducive. Eating people or wearing their children around your neck as trophies isn't that. That was my point.


ps edit - I just realized you took my last post as a personal attack. I wasn't calling you a "psychopath". I was referring to those who debate with forks and spices in their hands.

edit on 22-3-2017 by Abysha because: clarifying



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Need I remind you that WRH led a racist propaganda campaign against marijuana that led to it being unscientifically demonized and made illegal? Heck the word marijuana itself is a racist word that is part of that propaganda campaign.

You'll never need to remind me of that--when I was 16 or so, I purchased a book called "The 60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time," and the illegalization of marijuana (which was intentionally spelled in the Spanish way to help demonize Hispanics, yes) was a chapter in that book. Talked about the racist components, the taxes levied against growers of it, the lobbying of DuPont (who at the time had come out with polyester, a rival to hemp, and wanted hemp lumped together with marijuana) to have it declared illegal/priced out of production, etc.

It was a good book--I wonder how it will stand up 20 years later.

The Book

It's the book that really kind of started me on my path of critical thinking when it comes to what we're told versus what actually happens.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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So you should know that news has always had bias and propaganda is nothing new. The people of yesteryear didn't ignore the news because of it. They just figured out how to navigate it. It's actually simple. The basis of navigating most propaganda comes down to being able to identify a fact versus an opinion. Facts can and should have verification. Opinions should be ignored. Mastering just that simple test will help you read between the lines of most news stories you come across.




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