Churches increasingly feel need to offer sanctuary to undocumented migrants

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

OMFG

Uh, YEAH,

OTOH, people like all of the ones in this thread so far

Hehe, I love you Buzzy, you're crazy.

Who funds churches, because that's where shoes, food and blankets for them come from and we both know the answer to that question.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
wow.

you lot really, truly are astonishing

wow

Yes,
......
it's always everyone else.........

It's you, and everyone else who chimed in here ONLY AND FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE to tear apart my very heartfelt relief that at least SOME people are behaving in a humane, kind, empathetic, compassionate way.

Honestly -- don't you have some doom-porn to peruse? I'm happy that a fraction of our people are stepping up to protect the people in need. I'm happy that so many are marching in pink hats; that they are assailing town hall meetings, and giving assistance to those most in need.

I'm happy about that!!


Because I'm an egg-headed bleeding-heart lily-livered LIBERAL who is sick and tired of war, suffering, hypocrisy, and empty rhetoric. You guys seem a bit jumpy and defensive tonight....

hmmm.......

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
800 actual religious institutions who realize that The Golden Rule is MOST IMPORTANT.

Those other 342,200 congregations who are too COWARDLY and racist and paranoid and FAKE?

I don't get it. Help me by shplaining very slowly.

Why would The Church help people break the law?

Because those people did not leave a happy life to come here. They gave up everything to come here. They are fleeing horrible situations. They need asylum.

So they changed from migrants to refugees with the snap of a finger?

Are you saying that their countries of origin are failed states?

Do unto others as you want them to do unto you... so that means they want us to protect criminals from normal application of the law? That would mean we aren't supposed to Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. How do you consolidate all that?

Oh yeah, ends justify the means. I forgot. Liberal mantra. Lack of consistency.

They need help, understanding, and humanity.

Yes, they do. That's what the authorities are for.

[quiote]What person in their right mind would leave everything they know behind to risk it in another place? Only those who are so desperate that they MUST flee.


Risk what? America isn't exactly a third-world nation, though liberals seem hell-bent to turn it into one.

Are you trying to say every illegal alien is desperate to flee a failed state and claim refugee status? Sounds kinda racist.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

This is the point in your ATS life when you realize that the majority of people are here to find the truth that best suits them and all that is left is a discussion board.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Churches are not made for that. Not church's job. You go church to praise God.

Church is not for legal issues between men.

You can protest or help illegals outside, in your home or wherever you want and
deal with the consequences, respect church.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

These churches are breaking the law and making life harder for honest immigrants and actual citizens. They should have their tax exemptions revoked. Maybe even some charges. If they want to complain, tell them to pray to god for help.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Because I'm a........... LIBERAL who is sick and tired of war, suffering, hypocrisy, and empty rhetoric. You guys seem a bit jumpy and defensive tonight....

Being a liberal doesn't make you alone in your reasons for being sick and tired. Just the methodology of overcoming it.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If you want to spend your money to help them, great. Have a ball.

If those church's congregations are happy to see their tithe offerings used to shelter criminals, so be it.

I have no problem with private dollars being used. I wouldn't even call for them to lose their tax exempt status, unlike a liberal.

But the minute anyone suggests we use tax dollars to care for illegal aliens when there are American citizens who are homeless, desperate, need jobs and medical attention - that's where we have an argument.

OMG

The hypocrisy! It HURTS!!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I'm sure you'll be tuned in to the big DNC debate tonight at 10pm ET/CNN? The candidates will probably match the positions that you've consistently supported. I'm looking forward to watching it..though for different reasons.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

To Each his OWN , and in Good Measure ..............His OWN , Not Theirs.........

I don't always live a happy life. Will the church help me knock over an armored truck or a bank for more opportunities?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
People who treat others the way they would like to be treated are MY KIND OF PEOPLE.

Many of us would like to be treated as citizens of a sovereign nation with border laws that are adhered to rather than as some pawns in a gobalist shell game of gerrymandering an entire goddamned nation. Does the Golder Rule only ozmose in one direction in your world?

Yeah...I'ma just sit back and watch you all justify your absolute lack of anything resembling compassion. Go ahead and excuse yourselves from having a shred of decency, or even allowing a **gasp** liberal to bestow appreciation on generous, thoughtful people some of whom (but not all of whom) call themselves 'spiritual.'

LOL!!!

Too much mercy is just as bad as too much severity. These churches are not doing anybody any favors, but I fully understand that they THINK they are doing "the Lord's work", but, imo, they are actually working against it.

Sometimes it becomes necessary to withhold an overabundance of mercy in order to have true justice. Boundaries are necessary for a civil society with the rule of law to guide them.

Without enforcement of laws, there are no boundaries, and anarchy and chaos take over.

Temperance of both mercy and severity is necessary, and I think what President Trump is proposing is a perfect balance. Deport those that have committed the worst crimes. Let's start there.

Get rid of the criminal elements, secure our borders, then take up the problem of the others step by step.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: burdman30ott6

How authoritarian of you.

Didn't know you swung that way.

I'm not the one blowing smoke up people's asses, incorrectly using my religion as a crutch to excuse my antiauthoritarianism, neither am I receiving any tax breaks while showing the government my middle fingers.

Aside from that, defense of the borders and security of the nation is actually one of the few jobs Constitutionally demanded of the federal government. I support letting the feds do their jobs when they're actually following the Constitution (which these deportations and policies absolutely are doing.)

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think you are missing a very real part of this problemm very few of the immigrants we have taken are refugees. Most lie about where they are from so that they can get priority. The "illegal" immigrants are not refugees at all. They are boarder crossers or they are over staying their visas. Which makes them criminals and makes it even harder for them to get into a position where they can even take care of themselves. They cannot get a real job with benefits and insurance, they cannot borrow money for a car or a house, there is practically no way for them to be a part of society. The way they got here excludes them from the ability to become a citizen.

Imagine a guest who over stays their welcome and refuses to pay rent. Now you have to feed them, drive them around, pay for their medical expenses, pay for their car accidents, all on your dime. Why would you want to help people who will not treat you the way you want to be treated? This is not the golden rule.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Still siding with authoritarians and quoting scripture to do so.

You saying you support it because "the constitution" really doesn't change anything.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Psalms 27:4-5
One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple.

5 For in the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his tabernacle and set me high upon a rock.

The right of asylum (sometimes called right of political asylum, from the ancient Greek word ἄσυλον[1][2]) is an ancient juridical concept, under which a person persecuted by their own country may be protected by another sovereign authority, such as another country or church official, who in medieval times could offer sanctuary. This right was already recognized by the Egyptians, the Greeks, and the Hebrews, from whom it was adopted into Western tradition. René Descartes fled to the Netherlands, Voltaire to England, and Hobbes to France, because each state offered protection to persecuted foreigners.
en.wikipedia.org...

How can a civilized society have no sanctuary or refuge for its most vulnerable? When there is nowhere else to turn, the church/tabernacle/mosque/etc., steps in to provide shelter.

What would Jesus do?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

STILL......that's 800 actual religious institutions who realize that The Golden Rule is MOST IMPORTANT.

And those are 800 actual religious institutions that should be penalized financially, have their tax exempt status put on hold for a penalty, and should also be reviewed as to whether or not we as Americans want to have a church operating within US borders that actively defies the law of the people.