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Secret courts are Un-American

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posted on Feb, 15 2017 @ 11:14 PM
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 05:37 AM
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The details that emerge are just shocking.

Blatant political exploitation of the secret Fisa Court.






So, in June 2016, the Obama Justice Department sought permission from the FISA court to conduct a national-security investigation against Trump insiders — and perhaps even Trump himself — on suspicion that they were acting as agents of a foreign power. The FISA application is said to have “named” Trump, though it is not clear whether that means the Justice Department was targeting him as a surveillance subject. Apparently, though, the application was so thin that even the FISA court, though notoriously accommodating of government surveillance requests, declined to approve a warrant.


Still the Obama Justice Department did not give up. In October, virtually on the eve of the election, it submitted a second FISA application — this one more narrowly tailored, avoiding mention of Trump himself. The FISA court granted this application. Indications are that the investigation is ongoing, targeting former Trump advisers Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and Carter Page.

www.nationalreview.com...



So back in June 2016
In a secret court
with a request for a secret warrant
Trump was named
and we are just finding out about it now,
which means he was not able to represent or defend himself.


Why didn't they just ask him to his face?
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 05:42 AM
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Not much to add to the topic but I wanted to say that your threats make me by comparison look like a twit. Always something to learn and I appreciate that!




posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 05:46 AM
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 06:39 AM
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This may be the real reason the Secret Court authorized moves against General Flynn.

In 2015 he went on Al-Jazeera and specifically named the Obama Administration as allowing ISIL to grow while simultaneously flooding the region with arms.



Notice how shocked the interviewer is by General Flynn's candidness.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 06:47 AM
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“The Obama administration knew that Flynn was going to release the secret documents around the Iran deal, which would blow up their myth that it was a good deal that rolled back Iran,” a congressional aide with intimate knowledge of the fight over the Iran nuclear deal told The Free Beacon. “So in December, the Obama NSC started going to work with their favorite reporters, selectively leaking damaging and incomplete information about Flynn.”

hillarydaily.com...



It is rumored that Obama adviser Ben Rhodes set up a secret task force to politically destroy General Flynn, mostly due to Flynn’s open opposition to the Iran nuclear deal and plans to expose the hidden details.

The hidden details of the deal that Rhodes himself was instrumental in arranging and securing in 2015.

Apparently Rhodes is willing to character assassinate someone rather than let the American public know the details of that deal.

And the character assassination is made possible by a Secret Court.






Secret Courts are Un-American.


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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 06:59 AM
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What did Obama know and when did he know it?




melt-the-snow-flakes

This is the ACTUAL scandal. Was the then sitting President, Obama, using the FBI and NSA to illegally tap the phone calls of his political opponent, then private citizen candidate, Donald Trump, and his campaign team, in order to defeat now President Trump, to help Obama's former Secretary of State, Crooked Hillary, win the election?
If so, this blows Watergate out of the water and could potentially lead to a former president being indicted on corruption charges.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 07:39 AM
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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Did you know there was debate 3 years ago about a Secret Court to oversee summary war time executions of American citizens?





A court that meets in secret, hears only one side of a dispute, and issues a final judgment without notifying other parties is not deciding cases; it is granting absolution.

the atlantic / why a secret court won't solve the drone strike problem






Those who endorse giving secret, unelected courts the authority to oversee summary war time executions of American citizens, should explain why Congressional oversight isn’t better.

another voice against a secret drone court



Of course there has been zero open discussion about it since then.
The "State Secrets Privilege" is why.

State Secrets Privilege is a device used by the Military Intelligence Complex (MIC) to shield information from the judicial branch of Government, giving it undeserved legal immunity, unchecked Executive power and total lack of accountability.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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I have a question about Secret Courts, State Secrets, The Military Intelligence Complex (MIC), and Treason.



Doesn't America have to be at war for the Government to have these authorities,
and when was the last round that Congress declared war?



Is this why peace was never made with North Korea.


Are we technically a country still in a State-of-War?



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: mikegrouchy
What did Obama know and when did he know it?




melt-the-snow-flakes

This is the ACTUAL scandal. Was the then sitting President, Obama, using the FBI and NSA to illegally tap the phone calls of his political opponent, then private citizen candidate, Donald Trump, and his campaign team, in order to defeat now President Trump, to help Obama's former Secretary of State, Crooked Hillary, win the election?
If so, this blows Watergate out of the water and could potentially lead to a former president being indicted on corruption charges.

If there is documentation of the potus getting a fisa warrant for political reasons it really is a modern day watergate only the thugs getting the info are the nsa.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 05:49 PM
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A controversial provision in U.S. law that gives the National Security Agency broad authority to spy on people overseas expires at the end of the year, and six major tech trade groups are gearing up for a fight over an extension.

Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act expires on Dec. 31

pcWorld / Tech groups gear up for FISA surveillance fight



Why secret?

They don't want to be open about it.

Why?

We could have open reporting on what people "over seas" are doing.



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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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Seriously,

Why all the secrecy. This is America. Remember? Free and open press. Equal standing before the law. The right to face one's accuser.

Secret Courts are Un-American.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 05:56 PM
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So they are going to push for an extension of the act, some will want it to expire, but I say that isn't even close. The word is Abrograte. Abrogate is a dangerous word. Government and law makers do not want Joe & Jane Public to know this word even exists. The furthest law-makers are willing to go is "repeal", just "repeal" the law they will say. NO! Abrogate. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act should be Abrogated, because secret courts are Un-American.



abrogate
v. to annul or repeal a law or pass legislation that contradicts the prior law. Abrogate also applies to revoking or withdrawing conditions of a contract.

dictionary.law.com / abrogate


Abrogate. It means to remove a law as though it never existed. It is deeper than repeal. With a repeal, the use of the law prior to it being repealed is still valid. Its secrets still classified. But with Abrogation the law never existed.


Dangerous word Abrogate. No one in government; either Federal, State, or local, wants the public to know this word exists.


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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 05:58 PM
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“So, any way you look at it, ultimately the NSA is responsible because they are doing the collection on everybody inside the United States,” he said. “Phone calls. Emails. All of that stuff.”

But is the NSA actually “running” the country?

news target.com / NSA is now running the country



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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Here is a goddamn hit piece from TheHill.com,
rabble rabble rabble, Flynn is bad, rabble rabble rabble, NSA is good, blah blah blah.

But in the middle of it is this very strange confession.



But while identifying Flynn internally was legal (and there is no evidence that minimization procedures weren’t followed), leaking his name to the media was not. The Espionage Act prohibits the disclosure of information “concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government.”

theHill.com / Leaking Flynn's Name was illegal


I can only think of one reason they would admit this.
A person to take-the-fall has already been selected if there is an investigation.
You?


Mike Grouchy



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: mikegrouchy
Here is a goddamn hit piece from TheHill.com,
rabble rabble rabble, Flynn is bad, rabble rabble rabble, NSA is good, blah blah blah.

But in the middle of it is this very strange confession.
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I can only think of one reason they would admit this.
A person to take-the-fall has already been selected if there is an investigation.
You?

Mike Grouchy


Could be anybody they want to smear or otherwise destroy,
Mike. Ain't tyranny just the mammaries?

I'm starting to see avarice, spite and other political tools of
quiet war coming out as a viable government model for psychos. It's
a little unsettling as you can't prove any of it (rhetorically, Mike).
Even worse, it's getting harder to pinpoint exactly where one starts
to get his country back, if ever.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: derfreebie
Even worse, it's getting harder to pinpoint exactly where one starts
to get his country back, if ever.



Open Society vs Closed Society.

Closed Society: Who can we make take-the-fall?


Open Society: The world that the children made.





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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 12:08 AM
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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 01:20 AM
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