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Why isn't anyone on ATS following the money re: last 4 presidents

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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: chaeone86

Basically we had a choice between two distinct types of sociopaths. Trump is the uncontrollable, histrionic, egomaniacal type. HRC is the secretive, devious, power at any cost, get-you-shot-in-the-back during a "robbery" type. Apples and oranges?




posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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Thanks for the kind reply...from my perspective, Obama was by far the most narcissistic leader the world has ever seen. He entered the white house with almost no real world experience and proved to be incompetent throughout his 8 years in office. What's worse, the press gave Obama a free pass, despite failures in the mideast (Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt, Benghazi, etc.) and increasing racism in the U.S.

If Trump is so terrible, why hasn't he been arrested in the past? Personally, I used to be a JFK democrat, but I can no longer stomach either Republicans or Democrats....and I no longer believe the mainstream media.

When you say "follow the money," I wonder where the Clinton's got their millions (billions?) and where did Obama make his millions to pay for multiple homes with big walls built around them? That's the money I'd like to follow...



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Zoyd23
Thanks for the kind reply...from my perspective, Obama was by far the most narcissistic leader the world has ever seen. He entered the white house with almost no real world experience and proved to be incompetent throughout his 8 years in office. What's worse, the press gave Obama a free pass, despite failures in the mideast (Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt, Benghazi, etc.) and increasing racism in the U.S.

If Trump is so terrible, why hasn't he been arrested in the past? Personally, I used to be a JFK democrat, but I can no longer stomach either Republicans or Democrats....and I no longer believe the mainstream media.

When you say "follow the money," I wonder where the Clinton's got their millions (billions?) and where did Obama make his millions to pay for multiple homes with big walls built around them? That's the money I'd like to follow...



Getting too far into this proves the OP's point that this entire website has devolved into nothing more than talking politics, but you have a couple questions here that I don't want to pass up the opportunity to answer.

When it comes to Obama's lack of credentials to hold office, I question that. He was a successful lawyer specialized on the Constitution, was a state Senator for several terms, ran organizations, and was even a member of Congress. His resume when it comes to government and leadership experience was just as good as any other President we've ever had, and better than quite a few. Interestingly, he didn't start out as one of the elite either, when his campaign began he was among the poorest Presidents we've ever had. He became a millionaire during the campaign due to his book sales, and the licensing of that was his primary income. Leaving office, he didn't leave extraordinarily wealthy either. While President he actually put all of his money into treasury bills, tying his own future financial status to how well the country did while he was in office. After leaving, he's still not very wealthy but he'll make a lot of money on the speech circuit.

Trump on the other hand is very wealthy, the OP is one of the few I've seen here though who actually understands where Trumps money has come from. As a businessman Trump is pretty awful, his wealth over the past 40 years has appreciated at such a slow rate (despite how many businesses he's been involved in) that he would have more money today if he simply did nothing. As an investor and business mogul he's basically incompetent. He has however, seen success by licensing his name and developing a brand that means success and quality. Even this though is questionable, because with as much money as flows through his name, he has actually gotten a very small slice of it. It makes you question the whole dealmaker thing... until you realize that he paid someone else to write that book.

Trumps biggest failure is that he's a sleazy middleman, because people on both sides of him work well, and he just attaches like a leech and goes along for the ride. His entire cabinet are billionaires, because Trump himself doesn't know how to do anything other than rely on other peoples expertise. Therefore he appointed the people he thinks are successful, and he's hoping that they'll somehow make him successful. In the process, we've basically handed the entire country over to Goldman Sachs.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Could not have better said this myself. Thank you so much.

I would prefer to move on from politics as it is not what I intended here. But to part from that topic: one is only as good as the nuts and bolts holding their foundation together. Times change. Circumstances change always. One will often have to take apart their foundations and rebuild. But it will always be the same nuts and bolts keeping it together.

So those are the steel. The immutable character values and core principles which keep everything moving along despite challenged assumptions leading to change.

My concern is trump's are very rubbery and don't adapt well. Take what you want from my metaphor and leave the rest.

Now back to the topic at hand...



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: BlackboxInquiry

Did you hear about the 5 year ban on lobbyism in Washington and the lifetime ban on international lobbyism at the pres conference today? I think that is GREAT news! Although you may have not have heard about it because the media is too busy trying to start a civil war.

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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: Xtraeme

This is unsettling. I was just reading the Spiegel Online and found this story.

• Spiegel, Feb. 15th 2007, Germany Prepares for Coming Tax Battle

When someone wants to change the rules right in the middle of a game, it's not easy to find an appropriate reaction. When two players are working toward the same end, it becomes even more difficult for the others. Is it better to stoically insist on the old guidelines, go along with the new ones or to tip over the table and stomp out of the room?

The last option is the only one that German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble cannot choose should U.S. President Donald Trump and British Prime Minister Theresa May begin stretching, undermining or completely redefining the internationally established tax framework. Schäuble is the host of this year's meeting of G-20 finance ministers, which takes place in mid-March in the southern German spa town of Baden-Baden. At the very top of the agenda is the joint fight against tax dodging and the use of tax havens to stash profits.

But the British and Americans are not of a mind to adhere to Schäuble's priority list. Rather, they appear to be determined to change gears from cooperation to confrontation. Prime Minister May recently announced her intention to transform her country into a tax haven, with the plan calling for the corporate tax rate to be slashed to between 10 and 15 percent. And the new U.S. president is in the process of instigating a trade war while at the same time warning the Germans and the Japanese of a currency war.


After reading that I immediately thought of this thread and of what you wrote.

Is this related to what you were describing?

Man, I have a bad feeling about this.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 02:21 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Look up "straw man" in arguments and realize that pointing out one or two ideas that reject minor aspects of the framework you are presented with is a rhetorical tactic aimed at undermining rather than empathizing.

As you have already said there were aspects of this thread that spoke to you, even if you disagree with others. With that, I encourage you to take what you can from the analysis that appealed to your curiosity and leave all else behind. And go be searching and fearless. Rather than narrow and fearful of having your preconceived notions challenged or checked

Welcome to ATS newcomer. Cheers.
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edit on 17-2-2017 by chaeone86 because: Typos. Oops!



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 02:32 AM
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Why isn't anyone on ATS following the money re: last 4 presidents


Why?

Damn good question!



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: chaeone86

I wasn't talking to you. How about you look up the basic skills of "responding" to someone who is talking to you.


In this case, you're talking to the wind. I get your stance on this, and I don't really care.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 02:37 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

You rock lol



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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 02:39 AM
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originally posted by: LuXTeN

Why isn't anyone on ATS following the money re: last 4 presidents


Why?

Damn good question!


Hey Lux, just FYI, the OP doesn't really care about that. He's more interested in bashing Trump in the name of conspiratorial "banksters" that he doesn't like. Although it's weird to note that the OP must enjoy capitalism in some capacity since they have already reported their time constraints due to "business trips".

Maybe it's socialist business. Who knows.

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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 02:44 AM
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Oh hey thanks for the heads up


Yes another anti Trump scum sucking (censored).

I know right? Something good is happening i think that's worth noting, just a feeling i have that's all.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 02:51 AM
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a reply to: LuXTeN

I agree, something good is happening. There's a lot of resistance to common sense though. The elite globalists hate common sense. Expect huge resistance in epic levels never measured before.


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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 03:04 AM
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I've been noticing that for the past ten years or so, like a shift. A sudden one. I remember hearing about some prophecy told long ago, and the tenth or X generation would change something.

I don't really remember any more than that, but i found it interesting as the X gen is the last generation to remember life without technology growing up.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 03:13 AM
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a reply to: LuXTeN

I can't say if you're GenX or not, but thank God I am!


This new millennial generation is not a good one, but word has it, generation Z will dominate! They won't be pulling the same "SJW" crap going on now from the left.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 03:16 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

I'm pretty much in it yes. lol.

Gen Z, the running joke. laughs.. After they're taken out is it back to A all over again? Or perhaps they'll create an entire new Universal language a hundred years from now.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: LuXTeN

I think it goes back to generation A. I'm not entirely positive though. Generation Z and generation X still give me hope, however. It's the millennial Y people and some corrupted baby boomer hippies who are the problem. The hippies have them convinced we still live in the 50s. Some messed up #. False oppression and racist white supremacist boogeymen are everywhere!

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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 03:34 AM
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True, you're right. Gen Y is lost, and the Boomers screwed it all. I may just give Z another chance
I do know that things have shifted though, a lot of us have felt it, in evolutionary terminology, that would be considered, 'F'ing Fast'. lol.
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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: LuXTeN
a reply to: Wookiep

True, you're right. Gen Y is lost, and the Boomers screwed it all. I may just give Z another chance
I do know that things have shifted though, a lot of us have felt it, in evolutionary terminology, that would be considered, 'F'ing Fast'. lol.


Agreed! We might just very well be screwed. I try to keep an open mind while also juggling my true mindset, which involves being a realist, and being someone grounded in reality.

Who am I kidding. We are screwed.



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