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What if SJW's are holdovers from the Cold War

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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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In 1984, an Ex KGB named Yuri Bezmenov predicted the rise of the SJW movement:





For those of you who don't want to watch the whole video here's a summary from a redditor





Here's the summary for people who don't want to watch the whole video: Ideological Subversion It is open and obvious, anyone can see it happening. The main emphasis of the KGB is not espionage. 85% of the KGB's time, money, and manpower is spent on ideological subversion (AKA Psychological Warfare) The goal is to "change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent, that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country." There are four basic stages:

Demoralization - Takes 15-20 years. This is the amount of time that it takes to educate one generation of students. Expose this generation to the ideology of the "enemy". The result you can see, most of the people who underwent this in the 60's are now in positions of power, in the government, in civil service etc. You cannot change their mind, they are programmed to respond to stimuli in a certain way. It is irreversible. These people cannot respond to facts, they only react in the way that they were programmed to. This stage has been successfully completed by the KGB in the 60's and 70's.

Destabilization - Takes 2-5 years. The 'subverter' does not care about the ideas. What matters is essentials, economy, foreign relations, and national defense. These are to be disrupted and weakened at all costs.

Crisis - Takes about 6 weeks. This is where a crisis leads to the (perceived) complete upheaval of the population, or collapse of the government. Examples of this can be seen in modern day Ukraine. A protest lead to the collapse of the government and unorganized civil services.


Normalization - May last indefinitely. Again look at Ukraine. The enemy marches into the country under a humanitarian flag and declares that the situation has been "normalized". The subversion has been successful and the enemy has taken control.


Source:

www.reddit.com...


Now something related to this video: One of my friends told me when he was in High School, one of his teachers admitted he was an Ex KGB agent. At first I thought my friend was joking until I saw that the left seemed to dominate academia and some professors admitted it to be true but were forced to keep their mouth shut because they will lose their job. I wonder what if the Ex KGB's original mission was to corrupt our education system from within.

Also I have a theory many SJWs originally was supposed to make the US weak by corrupting the country from within to make way for a possible Soviet Invasion have the Soviet Union didn't fell apart.

I wonder what if the Soviet efforts to weaken the US came in 26 years late? It took many decades before the SJWs came into prominence. Many of the SJWs were taught by leftist professors and teachers that were alive during the Cold War. While the Soviet Union is long gone, their legacy remained in the form of SJWs corrupted by their infiltrators.
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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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I think there are definitely parallel's between the positions and attitudes progressives are currently exhibiting towards Muslims and the radical left's positions and attitudes towards Soviet Communists in the Cold War, particularly in the early days and leading up to it.

Even decades later previously undiscovered damage/infiltration was being discovered, there's no reason to think all has been or ever will completely uncovered. Something to consider when the left is screaming for "evidence" of bad deeds/intentions by Muslims before taking action to protect this country and its' citizens. It's not irrational to ask if that "evidence" isn't likely to come too late.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal




What if SJW's are actually holdovers from the Cold War



I remember seeing this video many years ago and thinking that it was made sense in theory but was too much a long game to be a feasible program.. but in recent years I too keep coming back to this video , when I see the safe-space-trigger-warning-sjw BS, that goes on in America.

Perhaps they actually did it and it is now paying off.


They forgot to make the SJW's show love for Russia though, haha.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: DupontDeux

I think the Soviets did planned it but they never foresaw it will take 26 years after their collapse for their plan to work. By then the Soviet Union is long gone but their legacy is known in the form of SJWs. I gotta admit I can imagine the ghosts of Stalin and past Soviet leaders laughing about how they finally brought America down.


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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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I cant stand sjws and there is no doubt the kgb was involved in psych warfare of various kinds. But I dont see the connection. America has always been a brew pot for various new social and political ideologies. Some of them have been good and others have sucked. I find the evidence totally lacking to make such a connection, and anxiously await the return of sjw culture to the backwater of society. Also, sjws are just the new left and liberalism was better off before they took over. They arent realky the same thing. One is a twisted derivation of the other.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 09:12 PM
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everyone in america needs to see yuris talks. ive been telling my liberal friends for a long time that their beliefs are no accident. especially the friends who come from universities filled with professors praising marxist ideology.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

Sadly the damage has been done. The Soviet Union even though gone, had struck a fatal blow on the US.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: DupontDeux
a reply to: starwarsisreal




What if SJW's are actually holdovers from the Cold War



I remember seeing this video many years ago and thinking that it was made sense in theory but was too much a long game to be a feasible program.. but in recent years I too keep coming back to this video , when I see the safe-space-trigger-warning-sjw BS, that goes on in America.

Perhaps they actually did it and it is now paying off.


They forgot to make the SJW's show love for Russia though, haha.


They have chosen their new masters, which are globalists. They get massive direct funding through them. They get their "causes" pre printed complete with signs and tee shirts. Global Marxism is alive, just not by the big bad Soviet Union any longer.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

every problem has a solution. im not worried about it.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 10:43 PM
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I was just reading a theory they came from the Vietnam war. There is probably a thread on it.

www.vox.com...

"For if you turn out to be living in an evil empire (rather than, as you had been told, a democracy fighting an evil empire), then you have no responsibility to your country; you are accountable only to humanity. If what your government and your teachers are saying is all part of the same Orwellian monologue – if the differences between the Harvard faculty and the military-industrial complex, or between Lyndon Johnson and Barry Goldwater, are negligible – then you have a responsibility to make a revolution."



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

It will take many years though. For millennials influenced by these ex Soviet infiltrators it's a lost cause, but for the generation after them, there's hope.


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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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not necessarily. we live in an age where things happen much much faster. plus we have the internet. and leftists are falling apart already. you cant simply push degenerate nonsensical ideology in the information age. in fighting is substantial among leftist groups. and if trump is successful in pulling back government influence and getting government out of the way of the market people overall will be much happier. happy people thriving in a healthy market arent prone to revolt in the first place.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:42 PM
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I don't think most low-level "SJW" types of people know what they're doing but I do believe this is how it all started. It all started as communist propaganda aimed at the US population through the media (Music, movies, books, magazines, radio). And of course, the education system.

I didn't realize it at the time but when I was in grade school most of my teachers (if not all of them) were extremely liberal. I wasn't really politically aware so it just never really seemed odd or anything.

But yeah. The older I get and the more I know about this stuff, the more obvious it seems. The SJWs themselves are basically just rebellious kids who are desperately grasping at anything they can for some kind of meaning or purpose in a time that seems utterly devoid of it. They can latch onto this kind of ideology and define themselves by believing they are working for something they think they can be proud of. They don't actually know it's all mind games and BS that was deliberately concocted to cause political and social chaos.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 01:44 AM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

No, that's not where we came from. SJWs are actually much older than that; in fact, we've been around for the entire history of mankind.

In general, modern tactics were developed during the Civil Rights era ...but that era got its tactics from the Women's Suffragettes and from the Prohibition and anti-Prohibition groups of the 1910'-1930. The tactics weren't new to them... they got it from reformers who started the first labor unions. The labor unions got it from Europe where marches against injustice had been going on for centuries.

The Protestant Reformation was actually a SJW movement (as any Catholic alive at the time could tell you.)

...and how old are worker's strikes? The first recorded one was during the reign of Pharaoh Rameses III around 1150 BC.

So, no. Nobody got it from the KGB or Russians or whatever. It was all home grown.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 01:51 AM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
a reply to: starwarsisreal
The SJWs themselves are basically just rebellious kids who are desperately grasping at anything they can for some kind of meaning or purpose in a time that seems utterly devoid of it.


Nah.

We're a lot like you, but we have different priority to our value systems. I know this isn't a video, but if you want a simple read about the differences, look here.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
a reply to: starwarsisreal
The SJWs themselves are basically just rebellious kids who are desperately grasping at anything they can for some kind of meaning or purpose in a time that seems utterly devoid of it.


Nah.

We're a lot like you, but we have different priority to our value systems. I know this isn't a video, but if you want a simple read about the differences, look here.





It does simplify the matter, liberals want others to solve their problems for them and conservatives want to solve the problems themselves and want liberals to own their #, stand up for themselves and work out a way to clean up their own mess.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 02:08 AM
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They are about to start defending felons and terrorist with mass protesting.
It's about to get interesting.

To Byrd: Moral Foundations theory by Jon Haidt explains the actual value systems difference between liberals and conservatives.
Here is a simple diagram of it.




posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 02:41 AM
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Right, so where does Trump fit in this equation and his close ties with the man that wants to make USSR great again ? Are you telling me that Trump is a so called sjw?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 03:28 AM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Taking in what the video relays, How does that make you feel about Socialism or SJWs... Now think of the purpose of the video, remembering when it was created in the height of the cold war?

Reverse Psychology

DENY IGNORANCE



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 06:03 AM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

I think it is important to understand that the term Social Justice Warrior is not a negative term, but a positive one, which has been usurped by certain factions to silence civil rights campaigns, campaigners, and critics of right wing fundamentalism.

There is also a difference between a campaigner for social justice, and an agitator. A person who cares about the issues, is prepared to spend time campaigning for them, attempting to make positive differences to the lives of their fellow human beings, by increasing awareness of injustices, pointing out government failure to address those injustices, especially in cases where the government are the source of the injustice, is a GOOD person to have around the place. The world needs more people like that, not less.

But agitators essentially do the work of the unjust for them, by making it impossible for genuine social justice campaigners to actually work, without being associated with the unmitigated bile of the agitator. Frankly, one wonders whether some of the more prominent figures in what is falsely referred to as the SJW community, are being paid by right wing think tanks, corporations and others, to present an unlikable face to the public, so that the issues they allege to act on behalf of, actually become associated with them to the point where people would rather let the world burn than deal with the problem.

Recently, there have been more arrests in America, of people who have been feeding the homeless. Compassion is illegal in some states, as it turns out, and folk who have been doing a service that ought to be done by the state, have felt the long arm of the law as a result. Those people who were cuffed doing this, were warriors for social justice, prepared to risk arrest because they knew that if it was possible to break a law by doing the right thing, then that law needed breaking, if only to show it for the inhuman and evil thing that it is.

Many years ago, people marched despite the risk of arrest, injury and/or death, to ensure that a huge section of the population of the United States of America, could actually have the right to vote. Would those who marched then, be called social justice warriors today?

The term needs to stop being used as an insult. There ARE those who are using an alleged passion for social issues, to gain themselves unhealthy attention, behaving negatively, rather than advocating for positive change. But to call these people SJWs cheapens the efforts of the real champions of social justice, whose work often goes totally and utterly unrecognised.




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