Planned Parenthood, how critical are they to Womens Health?

a reply to: HVTONE

You think it is cheaper for you for women to die from breast cancer. It is a slow process with many emergency room visits.

originally posted by: HVTONE
Defund it. The people it serves arent worthy of my taxes. If you libturds want it pay for it yourself.

So again aside from your ad hom attack, where exactly do you want these people get there healthcare?

The people it serves? Which of the almost 3 million people are unworthy of your taxes? Poor?, non white?, young? those lacking access?

a reply to: FredT

Thats not my problem.

Me and mine are more important than any and all of the above. Liberty and freedom necessitates both success and failure.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: HVTONE

You think it is cheaper for you for women to die from breast cancer. It is a slow process with many emergency room visits.

Less than 5 Planned Parenthoods perform mammograms, they only refer patients to licensed facilities. So in actuality, it would be cheaper by cutting out the middlemen.

a reply to: HVTONE

Neither does my private doctor. He refers me to a clinic that has a mammogram. That is what pp does.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: HVTONE

Neither does my private doctor. He refers me to a clinic that has a mammogram. That is what pp does.

Then both you and the taxpayers pay more for a service than they should, but for one party that will soon change.

a reply to: HVTONE

the point is that mammograms is more a radiological service. many doctors and clinics in the US will refer their patients to a facility that specializes in those services. it kind of saves money, since this way not every danged doctor needs to buy the expensive equipment needed to provide these services! some doctors will even refer you to another place just for a simple x-ray.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: misskat1

Wouldnt we be better off to give our tax dollars to clinics that not only offer the same services, but also provide medical health for the whole family?

Planned Parenthood specializes in "family planning",

The fact that you people buy into that fake pr party line is still astounding.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: misskat1
I had an argument with my nephew yesterday, regarding Planned Parenthood, and the critical roll they play in our society by providing health care to millions of American Women. He tells me that they dont use any Federal money to pay for abortions. The money they will loose if funding is cut off will cut off all the other services they provide, which will have a huge impact on womens health.

This is the pie chart he used to validate his argument.

Lets put Abortion off the table for a minute. And look at the other 97% of their services.

Their services are pretty much limited to paps, birth control and treating sexually transmitted diseases. But, all these services are provided at any Clinic or Drs office in America. Wouldnt we be better off to give our tax dollars to clinics that not only offer the same services, but also provide medical health for the whole family?

When I take Abortion off the table, it becomes clear (to me at least) that they are irrelevant to womens health. And actually the money they receive is draining a health care system that needs all the help it can get. Defunding Planned Parenthood isnt going to make Abortions illegal. And the services they provide, are already available.

His argument: Women are too shy or embarrassed to go to their own drs for stds and paps. In my book that just isnt a good enough reason to keep funding them.

Anyone else have an opinion on this??

I was listening to Hannity the other day and he was interviewing an anti-abortion woman who called like 100 planned parenthood facilities and only like 3 or 4 offered any kind of "women's health" beyond abortions and the ones that did offer other services actually just referred the patient out to other clinics. It was pretty clear that PP is just an abortion mill hiding under "women's health".

I'd be curious as to how that chart is developed. What is the underlying data?

Exactly!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: HVTONE

the point is that mammograms is more a radiological service. many doctors and clinics in the US will refer their patients to a facility that specializes in those services. it kind of saves money, since this way not every danged doctor needs to buy the expensive equipment needed to provide these services! some doctors will even refer you to another place just for a simple x-ray.

I understand the point, and it's to charge the patient, or taxpayer in the case of Planned Parenthood, for an off campus consultation and mammogram rather an on site consultation and mammogram. But we wouldnt want to inconvenience the bus riders in favor the taxpayers would we?

a reply to: HVTONE

no you don't, even when I broke my foot, I had a separate bill from radiology, for the x-rays than I did from the hospital bill, and both were done in the same danged hospital, just different departments. special machines that do mammograms, mri's and such cost a considerable amount of money. a small clinic or independent doctor could not afford such costs without having to make that money up by raising the fees that it charges it's patients. although, together, they can enable an independent company to operate on a profit for doing this service for a number of doctor or clinic patients.

if not doing providing radiological services is a reason to pull title x and medicaid funding from healthcare providers, then a whole lot more than planned parenthood should be having it pulled.

but, if we are gonna start defunding healthcare providers because they don't provide some services I suggest that we begin with the catholic hospitals! they refuse to prescribe birth control, do tubal litigations, their treatment for ectopic pregnancies seem to wait till the pregnancy compromises a part of the women's body to the point where it is posing a "a grave source of danger" and then removing that part of the women's body...
even though, I read on non-religious sites that if caught early, there's a simple medication that will stop the non-viable, never will be viable fetus from developing further and it will just go away on it's own.. possibly making removing any part of the women's body! that life of the nonviable embryo is so precious to the catholic hospitals that they will let the women slip into a condition that is a greater danger to the mother, so it can live a few more days or weeks... sacrificing parts of her body for a few more days or weeks of fetal existance...
www.ewtn.com...

and here we sit griping about mammograms not being in planned parenthood clinics!

originally posted by: HVTONE
a reply to: FredT

Thats not my problem.

Me and mine are more important than any and all of the above. Liberty and freedom necessitates both success and failure.

But in reality IT is your problem, and my problem, and EVERYBODY problem. Unless you are planning to isolate yourself somewhere in say Alaska and be totally off the grid, people getting sick and left untreated has serious impact on everybody else. From jammed ER's to epidemics that effect everybody etc etc.

originally posted by: HVTONE
Less than 5 Planned Parenthoods perform mammograms, they only refer patients to licensed facilities. So in actuality, it would be cheaper by cutting out the middlemen.

It seems to me that you have a rudimentary understanding of the healthcare system or how it works and that explains why you fail to understand how exactly someone gets to a momagram etc.

You do not simply walk into a hospital and demand a mammogram, or a hi res CT scan, or say an hour in a 3T MRI. You first see your MD (on in the case of this thread PP) and get a referral for testing, specialist etc. The MD you see acts as a gatekeeper to make sure you get access to services you need but to also prevent misuse of finite resources etc. Even if you go to an ED, the doctor there acts in the same way if necessary. If you need a service that you MD does not provide, you go to another clinic or facility that does.

I work in a major tertiary care facility that is nationally known. There are still tests and some procedures that are still "sent out". Because no matter how big you are you cannot cover everything. Plus the 'jack of all trades, master of none" is also applicable. Would you rather stay at you MD's office to have say a liver transplant knowing he did say one last year, or rather be refereed to a regional center that does 100's a year? The same applies to mammograms etc.

In this case, cutting out the middleman would strain high level resources to the brink and those who actually need a service may have an unacceptable delay.

My friend used to work at Planned Parenthood. If you have any questions you'd like answered I can ask him and get back to you.