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The Conservatives will cut the number of MPs, ministers and special advisers by a fifth within five years if they win the election.Proposals for a "smaller government" Bill, to be published this week, will also promise a referendum in Wales on whether to abolish its assembly.The Tories said yesterday that Labour's constitutional changes had made the country "over-governed, over-regulated and over-taxed".
Originally posted by stumason
About time. Its been known for ages that Government has grown stupidly large under Blair/New Labour.
The civil service in general is a waste of cash. I know this from personal experience, and most of the people employed by the Civil Service sit around, doing nothing, pushing paper.
Originally posted by infinite
Making a smaller government??
Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't a liberal government a small government that doesnt get too envolved with everyday life?? Looks like the Conservatives are trying to grab the liberals now first it was the far right, now its the liberals turn!
Personal Freedom
Conservatives believe the people should be big, and the state should be small. That is why we are determined to thin down Labour's fat government. Today Labour's bloated bureaucracy is the same size as the population of Sheffield - and there are more civil servants in the Department of Work and Pensions than there are soldiers in the British Army. We will freeze civil service recruitment and reduce the mountain of regulations which Labour has inflicted on Britain - its businesses, its education service and its NHS.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
Conservatives want small Government and bureaucracy cutting down to size, they want less interferance in people's lives.
Originally posted by infinite
That is what liberals believe governments should do, no interferring with our lives.
The Conservatives are gone mad
Originally posted by stumason
the Republicans (conservatives) tend to go for less.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- No stu, the difference is the conservative side make great claims about wanting a 'slimmer gov'.
If you want to believe the rhetoric and fine words that's up to you, but, if you can point to any previous conservative gov that has ever sustainably shrunk the size and cost of the UK gov
.....but I think you'll find this to be a typical case of the image they wish to project obscuring their proven track record and reality.
(......and that's before anyone gets into any of the detail of exactly what parts of this supposed 'fat gov' they believe is ok to slash.
Or the fact that the current gov already has extensive plans to trim back the size of the state.
What do you want rid of....food standards agency?
Originally posted by UK Wizard
What is policy if it is not a claim?
So we're going to remain in the past are we, how far back should we go to look at past Government records? 10 years 15 years 20 years why not 80 years????
So once a mistake has been that Party is doomed to relive their mistakes are they?
Agencies will indeed be cut, see the policy document:
Better public services, better value
Ths CSA can go, pile o'#e that is.
How many Government projects (not just Labour Smink, before you jump down my throat! )
have been over-budget, overdue and in the end being a waste of money/scrapped.
The private firms share some blame on bloated government, as they see public cash as being unlimited, and keep racking up the costs to stupidly high levels, before delivering 3 years overdue.
But the Government must pay attention to what it is they are buying (the guys in charge of procurement usually know nothing about what they are actually procuring), and not just go with whoever has the cheapest quote, as they invariably end up being the most expensive as the company deliberately underbid to win the contract.
I just hate Goverment wastage, when we could easily divert those funds into something constructive, instead of large tents, or crappy databases, or some other cash cow that has been created to spend for spendings sake.
Originally posted by stumason
I agree Smink, the Conservatives have a bad record, and Labour has its plus's since 1997, the economy for one,
but you will not catch me voting for them this time round, especially as Blair is in charge, the lying monkey.
As for the CSA, it wastes money like there is no tomorrow, and does very little in sorting out errant parents (the distinction should be made here, as fathers are somewhat vilified).
I am a father, and I am not with the mother. However, I have sorted out things with her, we are good friends, and i have my daughter more than she does most weeks.
I realise not all are like that, but in the same instance, you must realise its not only fathers. My mother left when I was 12, and my father didn't see a penny, and suffered very badly.
Where was the CSA then?
I can't in a single post come up with what will work in its place, but one things for sure, that the CSA isn't working and is in fact wasting more money than it collects, thereby making us pay for it anyway.
There must be an easier way, but unfortunately, i need to go to the toilet, and prepare my handover for my colleague....so maybe tomorrow?
That would be one of the biggies for me
They all 'dissemble' stu.
Anyhoo, this is your last chance as he goes at the end of this coming term
Oh I wasn't picking on dads stu, I was just using the trademarked 'Maggie' phrase.
Good for you. Seriously.
That's really nice to hear and I'm sure you'll be glad things are like that over the coming years as you are involved in her growing up
Oh I don't doubt it stu.
I know it isn't just dads (as I said, I was just cracking on with the 'term' she once used). Sadly it is mostly, apparantly
It's a pretty recent thing is the CSA.....are you that young?
I don't subscribe to the 'private sector (automatically) good - public sector (automatically) bad.
Yeah, ok, if you want to chew it over another time/tomorrow......?
Originally posted by UK Wizard
It's funny how we've drifted so quickly from Conservative Policy for cutting the number of MP's, advisers etc to how bad the Conservative Government was in the past.
It seems 'Tory Bashing' has become a sport, people refuse to stop looking at the past, try looking at the present and future.
Originally posted by stumason
Yeah, I know, but as this is a public forum, I had to point it out for those that are of the less "aware" persuasion.
Besides, her mum gives good head.......
I agree, however, there are many Dads out there who don't get given the chance, due to the mother denying them any access becasue they don't get on. At the end of the day, it is just the kids who lose out.
22 my friend. 23 in May
I would prefer for the Government to take back control of certain things, like the railways for example. BR may have been bad, but wasn't worse than what we have now!
I would chew it over with you now, but seems UK wizard wants his thread back
but seems UK wizard wants his thread back
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
3) as for the original idea - cutting back the number of MP's might superficially sound a good idea.....until the loss of representation affects you.
Cos I don't see them also proposing PR to help avoid this.
- I am primarily looking at the prsent tory proposals, I see how similar they are to their past and I think we can extrapolate from that another disasterous tory future.
Were they ever to get the chance.
Which they're not going to get. :
Originally posted by UK Wizard
659 is alot of MP's for a country with a population of 60million, and yes i'd be happy with the reduction in MP's, no matter what happens due to it.
I've always thought PR a bad idea.
So i bet it really annoys you when people say the Tory's and Labour are the same...