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Disclosure by DeLonge & Levenda, Sekret Machines: Gods (Volume 1 of Gods, Man & War)

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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 09:40 PM
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Delonge

1) knows those photos are fake
2) posts them on his twitter of which has over half a million followers. Most being music fans who know jack about UFO anything.
3) insinuates that the photos are real and have been obtained from high level govt officials ( the general, etc. )
4) begins accepting advanced orders of his $70 to $100 book ( sold out) that is floated on the premise that the photos he has in his possession are real and his access which will be revealed in said "non-fiction" book is real.


Big scam in my eyes.

But hay, you can buy a coffee mug or key chain too.....!




posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

I did a Google reverse image search on the other one (the triangle) and got, I kid you not, 25,270,000,000 results!!!

How would we have ever seen that image from one of the other 25,269,999,999 sources, without help from Tom DeLonge's "sekret" information?

With that many copies of the image out there it's hardly a "sekret" and it has no value without some verifiable provenance.

Yeah, it's an odd situation where anyone with a simple knowledge of the internet knows the source of images can be easily found. TinyEye Reverse Image Search Add-on in Firefox, right click, and it takes all of a few seconds. Can anyone be so wide-eyed and naive? Hmmmm...



originally posted by: SacredLore

Thanks to both of you! I strongly agree: The DeLonge team leaves much to be desired in the illustration department. If they did not get any real pics, they could at least have created their own artistic rendition instead of grabbing something off the Internet. In all fairness, DeLonge never claimed any of the pictures to be new or real. But still, not impressive.

You're strangely supportive of this clown. Just curious as to why and what's your connection?



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 05:13 AM
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a reply to: SacredLore

you could be right, btw. bring the world together and banish all religions in one swift move, with the implementation of a new religion and a NWO. Just like Reagan Said in the 80s, www.youtube.com...(that could be there end game),So the fear will be directed to the alien overlords, and we will be controlled even more under a threat that we have created through mass belief in these new Gods.
There is so much change apparent in the world at this time and it does seem like the start of something big....
Although im the guy that believes anything is possible, if they come to us with an undeniable truth, i will not just accept that truth.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: SacredLore



We begin from the premise that this Phenomenon is real; we don’t try to “prove” it to anyone,




What we do is proceed from the assumption that the Phenomenon is real and has been observed throughout history.




regardless of whether or not we ever “prove” the reality of the Phenomenon.


In other words total BS and sales tactics with no disclosure to come from them.

I truly hope nobody supports these charlatans by continuing to buy their products.

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
4) begins accepting advanced orders of his $70 to $100 book ( sold out) that is floated on the premise that the photos he has in his possession are real and his access which will be revealed in said "non-fiction" book is real.


Your points 1 to 3 cannot be disputed. To be fair, 4 needs a bit of correction: These prices are (were) for a limited collector's edition and the book WAS available, I could have bought it. Problem is that this edition sold out quickly. I paid 12.99 $ for the digital edition of the older book (some MP3 music freebie included). I'd guess the new book will be in the same price range and that seems fair.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

You're strangely supportive of this clown. Just curious as to why and what's your connection?


Not much mystery here: After all these years I simply have not found a more promising source of information regarding the UFO phenomenon than DeLonge. Believe me, I wish there was more substance to it, but at least for me it is still good enough to keep me interested.

If you know something better, let me know.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: SacredLore

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

You're strangely supportive of this clown. Just curious as to why and what's your connection?


Not much mystery here: After all these years I simply have not found a more promising source of information regarding the UFO phenomenon than DeLonge. Believe me, I wish there was more substance to it, but at least for me it is still good enough to keep me interested.

If you know something better, let me know.


Honestly even Greer is a better source than Tom D.

FWIW Greer is and was a Medical Doctor and not some teenage Rock Band member that is known to have had a mental breakdown along with drug abuse issues and wanting to be a mogul of some sort.

Greer was also able to put together the conference on UFO for congress , where he had numerous officials testify and disclose information on cover-ups and Aliens.

Now granted after that Greer went FULL bat sh1t cr@zy without any doubts. The question is did Greer violate the allowable truth to lie ratio and therefore had his life put into jeopardy? Hence having to go full retard in order to lose all credibility , but spare his life?

Tom hasn't even done .01% of what Greer has done from what I see and I'm no Greer fan.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: SacredLore

you could be right, btw. bring the world together and banish all religions in one swift move, with the implementation of a new religion and a NWO. Just like Reagan Said in the 80s, www.youtube.com...(that could be there end game),So the fear will be directed to the alien overlords, and we will be controlled even more under a threat that we have created through mass belief in these new Gods.
There is so much change apparent in the world at this time and it does seem like the start of something big....
Although im the guy that believes anything is possible, if they come to us with an undeniable truth, i will not just accept that truth.


I like Reagan's statement:

Is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war, and the threat of war?

Although there is an incredible amount of propaganda about how bad man is at heart and how war is his second nature, my observations in daily life are totally opposite! Most people prefer a friendly chat over quarrels. They like to play competitive games, but they feel bad when they inadvertently hurt an opponent. So there must be a hidden and very powerful influence that drives humanity into this collective madness called war, time and time again.

Maybe the people behind DeLonge mean well indeed? Maybe their ultimate goal is not total control of humanity but exposure of the hidden influences that have caused so much suffering for humanity during the millenia. Who needs a jealous god hell-bent on frying your ass with bolts of lightning if you don't satisfy his every whim?

But I totally agree with you: I will also be very wary if we ever get something actually disclosed. There may be an agenda behind it. On the other hand, I am so fed up with the status quo that I'd prefer even a whitewashed and twisted disclosure over the never ending vagaries and guesses with which we have been stuck for so long.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42

Honestly even Greer is a better source than Tom D.
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Now granted after that Greer went FULL bat sh1t cr@zy without any doubts. The question is did Greer violate the allowable truth to lie ratio and therefore had his life put into jeopardy? Hence having to go full retard in order to lose all credibility , but spare his life?



Very interesting thought that Greer might have had to purposely harm his credibility in order to protect his life. He has a wife, too, after all.

So yes, I knew people here hate Greer really bad (again this unexcusable impudence of charging money for something!), but I listened to what he has to say and found it so interesting that I even mentioned him in a thread. I got flamed for it even more than for announcing DeLonge's new book here :-) So the choices for an UFO believer are not great. At least not if you make your happiness depend on the applause of ATS posters.

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: SacredLore
The co-author of "Sekret Machines: Gods", Peter Levenda, provides some interesting background information about the book series. An excerpt:


What is Sekret Machines?

If you read my Afterword to the A. J. Hartley novel, you’ll see that it presumes to be a radical new approach to the UFO Phenomenon (or UAP Phenomenon, if you are so inclined). We begin from the premise that this Phenomenon is real; we don’t try to “prove” it to anyone, and we don’t present the usual lists of thousands of worldwide sightings, etc. since most people familiar with the subject are aware already of this evidentiary material. What we do is proceed from the assumption that the Phenomenon is real and has been observed throughout history. What, then, has been its effect on society, religion, culture, and politics? Why is it important for us to examine this Phenomenon and what it represents more closely, more dispassionately, more objectively than ever before? Why have governments, the military, scientists, academics, etc. been reluctant to come forward and admit that it exists? How can we change that attitude?

More importantly, perhaps, how can we inspire a new generation of men and women to devote their lives to the hard sciences in order to cooperate in the decoding of this Phenomenon? And not just the hard sciences, but cultural and religious studies as well.

American students are lagging behind twenty or more other countries in STEM subjects. This is a national security problem, and not just from the perspective of terrorist and other more “terrestrial” threats. We need an educated population that is aware of all the implications for sovereignty that the Phenomenon poses to us and to the world at large. Whether or not one believes in the reality of UFOs or “little green men” one has to agree that an avoidance of this field in spite of all the testimony by military and intelligence specialists that support the view that “something is out there” is a dangerous position to maintain. On the contrary, if we proceed on the assumption that we are being visited – somehow, in some manner, by some one – then we would find ourselves forced to review our preconceptions concerning language and communication, physics, aerodynamics, energy, sociology, and a dozen or more other disciplines. Exobiology, exolinguistics, exopolitics, would all become areas in which new discoveries will be made … regardless of whether or not we ever “prove” the reality of the Phenomenon.


So guys, brush up your math skills!

Levenda seems to basically admit they don't know anything and it's a call to the world to figure out. Sounds like a disclaimer more than a series that reveals hard truth...



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: SacredLore
DeLonge and his sources seem to think that the subject is really complex......... This could be an explanation for why an entire series of books and movies is planned.


More likely just so he can make more money!


A typical complaint. However, DeLonge is worth something like $40 Million, Books like this do not sell well. It's chump change to him. Buy the T-shirt and coffee cup, too, if you want--or don't. But to claim he's just in it for the money is a cheap and ignorant shot. He doesn't need the money. He BELIEVES, and he's being used because hes quasi-famous with a certain generation, and it's their turn to get fed this line of crap.

I'll buy the book and keep up with him, but my opinion is that this is just the latest in a long line of similar books along similar themes. It's a Cargo Cult. Whether it's Truman Bethurum and Aura Rhanes, Paul Bennewitz, Richard Doty, AFOSI, and Bill Moore, or Greer holding a space baby in his arms, or Meier traveling back in time to the age of the dinosaurs--all these stories have a common theme and purpose. Each generation has to hear of a new iteration of the story, not realizing that it is a common folklore theme.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: schuyler


He BELIEVES, and he's being used


So you think high ranking govt officials are using Tom, he mentions the DoD and NSA. Why are they bother with the subject if there is nothing to it?

Or do you think he is being fooled into thinking he is working with Govt? The owner of the website is apparently convinced hes talking to the right people. See below

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The fake photo definitely isnt a good look though, to the point its hard not to be skeptical.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: 111DPKING111
Or do you think he is being fooled into thinking he is working with Govt? The owner of the website is apparently convinced hes talking to the right people. See below

www.abovetopsecret.com...
"talking to the right people" to use him for disinfo purposes? Possibly, even the owner you cite considers that a possibility and don't the hoaxed photos speak louder than anything else so far?


originally posted by: Springer
All that said, my eyes are wide open to the possibility that this is yet another disinformation campaign being played out at the highest levels but I have to admit that in my mind that is an unlikely reality, there might actually be some genuine honesty emanating from on high in our government/military industrial establishment.



The fake photo definitely isnt a good look though, to the point its hard not to be skeptical.
Right. The faked photos are probably not the genuine honesty Springer was hoping for, which leaves us with his other alternative.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 02:03 AM
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originally posted by: SacredLore

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

You're strangely supportive of this clown. Just curious as to why and what's your connection?


Not much mystery here: After all these years I simply have not found a more promising source of information regarding the UFO phenomenon than DeLonge. Believe me, I wish there was more substance to it, but at least for me it is still good enough to keep me interested.

If you know something better, let me know.


If he's the most promising source in the field, that's a sad commentary on the phenomena.

He's primed to be the butt of jokes and mocking like Steven Greer. Is that the way you want people to view the subject? If it is, continue on.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 05:12 AM
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a reply to: Ectoplasm8

Seriously, tell me a more credible source. I am not being cynical here, willing to learn something new.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: SacredLore

i agree with you, its as if people have systematically worked to discredit all other avenues of disclosure, and what we have now is TDL and there is nothing else really out there, i would strap yourselves in cause either TDL is here to reveal a massive truth/"truth" that they want us to accept.
Ancient Gods/Archons.... i dunno but im excited about what he might have, truth/lie i dunno but im interested by the fact that i feel that what this guy says may have a big effect on mass consciousness, as that is what i think they are trying to do.
Direct consciousness into a new way of thinking.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: SacredLore

Well, from what I gathered about the post is that enough people believe in Zeus, they would probably see a muscular old timer that could bench a mountain. Thing is those were depictions of how they should look to their own image.

If you actually wanted to see what the king of gods in a neutral an realistic sense when the Greek saw Zeus, just take a look at Jupiter in the sky. Plain in sight, giving off a white light.

Now let say a moving star or white blob floating about in the sky that looks erie similar to Jupiter. Then it could be a case mistaken divinity there, nvm the fact that it could read the Greeks like a book an use some added effects to enforce their will if they wanted to on us souless, hedonistic, bastards.

That big ball of light that looks like a planet personified as god...might as well be a f'in God in that perspective.

However the deception element might be more of an internal reaction where the ufo or what not take on disguises that make it blend in more. Or possibly meant to cause a whole bunch of confusion if it weaponized hallucination s.

As for war, it the fact that it always a rat race, an trying to stay ahead of the competition. Example would be the Vietnam War, train tracks weren't built in Nam till after the war happened. Radio, an microwaves, military had them before any civilians.

What would of taken decades or years too research an develops gets done in months or days because of the desperation.
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posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: Davg80

Most of the researchers i know well, are of the opinion that the government knows almost nothing about "UFOs", other than the fact there are no physical craft or aliens visiting Earth.

Now there IS a Phenomenon at play...but its not a UFO phenomenon. It just looks that way sometimes.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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i would strap yourselves in cause either TDL is here to reveal a massive truth/"truth" that they want us to accept.


FWIW, According to his co author they have no evidence to release or disclose and they are going to act like its all real.

So I wouldn't count on anything being revealed.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Davg80




i would strap yourselves in cause either TDL is here to reveal a massive truth/"truth" that they want us to accept.


FWIW, According to his co author they have no evidence to release or disclose and they are going to act like its all real.

So I wouldn't count on anything being revealed.


For the thread readers how about quoting where Peter says that. Thanks.



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