What the Democrats are planning.

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: Metallicus

Trump wouldn't 'give' you air if you were in a corked bottle. Why would you die for this nonsense. I certainly wouldn't.

On top of that, he said he was going to prosecute her if he got elected. He's already walked that back. Bad start for him if you ask me.

He doesn't have the power to prosecute, but Sessions does.

So it's a misdirection you fell for.

Ya'll been played.

a reply to: anonentity

Here is the thing.

If the Democrats and the CIA are in bed together, then it is not the Democrats who are playing the part of the organ grinder. The reason I say that, is that the CIA are the same beast no matter who is in charge, and permanence indicates stability of position, which indicates that they, not the government, are the ones who have the most influence over events.

My concern about all this is as follows. First of all, much as I loathe the disgusting, bloviating sack of cat vomit that is Trump, every corporate figure he has invited to play a part in his new administration, I also accept that the American people have selected this man to lead them. What that means for the future does not look great, but I believe that a people have the right to burn their society down if they do not like it anymore, and though I might not agree with the particular torch bearer they have selected, they have the right to make their choices, as long, of course, as they are prepared to lay in the bed they are making for themselves in the doing of it.

The CIA have no business involving themselves in this matter, whatsoever.

However, what really concerns me is that the backroom moving and shaking, is going to be used by the incoming right wing government, to decry ALL left wing political beliefs, despite the fact that the real left, the people's left have had nothing to do with it, and likely as not, do not have any greater love for that sort of underhandedness, than do the grass roots right.

We need a good dose of real upheaval in this country. Nothing unnatural about brother turning on brother, father against son. It happens every day the world over.
We need videos from all over the country of Americans killing Americans and American blood painting the streets red.
How can I say such horrible things you might ask...... because "we" are so hard headed in our beliefs that "I'm right and your wrong",.... that the only thing that will make us admit to ourselves what we have become.... is to see mothers all across the nation weep. Once we accept what we have become then maybe we can move forward.
It is fairly obvious this country is split down the middle 50/50 and have been for quite a long time. We insist on living with each other and in doing so take turns making each other miserable election after election. Who ever being in power at the time being perceived, rightly or wrongly, as dolling out payback and intentionally causing harm.
We are a nation with 2 very different ideologies. We are one people, seeing the world through 2 eyes.
If the states are not given back their sovereignty and people given their right to have 50 different forms of a government "of the people, by the people, for the people. Then we seriously need to consider Western America/Eastern America, still remain United but no longer forcing 1/2 the population to abide by a political system they do not believe in.
We, can remove this strife between citizens. We can if we choose, it really is as simple as moving yourself from one piece of dirt....... to another piece of dirt, and like magic everyone around you, your neighbors, the guy watering his lawn, your kids teachers, would all have the same common core belief, as you do. Your elections would be between 2 liberals or 2 conservatives..... neither one locked in a never ending tug of war trying to change the direction the nation goes.
I say it is high time for governors to hold a conference and take back the rights given them in the Constitution. It is high time a states citizens can choose if abortion is legal or if a marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Or any of the many things that seem to separate us into 2 very different people. Everyone deserves to have the ability to go where they feel they belong. 50 different states, each doing their own thing, giving each and every one of us the ability to look around and choose for ourselves where to hang our hats.
That is the secret to brotherly love. It worked for many years and as states rights to self rule declined the animosity between citizens rose. I dont want to dislike anyone and I know that no matter who it is I bicker with on ATS, if we put our political differences aside, we could become great friends and have many reasons to smile from the joy of knowing each other.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: anonentity

An overthrow of the duly elected President would be something I would be willing to fight and die to prevent. I hope these liberal tools have as many guns as I do...for their sake.

Gods, I want to disagree with you so badly here but I can't. Unless it's been found that Trump was behind some sort of KGB shenanigans ensuring his victory, I wouldn't be able to support getting Hillary in with a bunch of no-faith delegates.

I'd begrudgingly donate to your protest but smile that Trump was gone. Very mixed bag for me. I can't believe I'm even saying this.

Bob Owens"What You'll see in a rebellion":
Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.

Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.

After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government’s invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.

Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds, but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

Ironically, while the gun grab was intended to keep citizens from preserving their liberties with medium-powered weapons, it completely ignored the longer-ranged rifles perfect for shooting at ranges far beyond what a security detail can protect, and suppressed .22LR weapons proven deadly in urban sniping in Europe and Asia.

While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.

The 535 members of the House and Senate in both parties that allowed such a law to pass would largely be on their own; the Secret Service is too small to protect all of them and their families, the Capitol Police too unskilled, and competent private security not particularly interested in working against their own best interests at any price. The elites will be steadily whittled down, and if they can not be reached directly, the targets will become their staffers, spouses, children, and grandchildren. Grandstanding media figures loyal to the regime would die in droves, executed as enemies of the Republic.

You can expect congressional staffs to disintegrate with just a few shootings, and expect elected officials themselves to resign well before a quarter of their number are eliminated, leaving us with a boxed-in executive, his cabinet loyalists trapped in the same win, die, or flee the country circumstance, military regime loyalists, and whatever State Governors who desire to risk their necks as well.

Here, the President will doubtlessly order the activation of National Guard units and the regular military to impose martial law, setting the largest and most powerful military in the world against its own people. Unfortunately, the tighter the President clinches his tyrannical fist, the more rebels he makes.

Military commands and federal agencies will be whittled down as servicemen and agents will desert or defect. Some may leave as individuals, others may join the Rebellion in squad and larger-sized units with all their weapons, tactics, skills, and insider intelligence. The regime will be unable to trust its own people, and because they cannot trust them, they will lose more in a vicious cycle of collapse.

Some of these defectors will be true “operators,” with the skills and background to turn ragtag militia cells into the kind of forces that decimate loyalist troops, allowing them no rest and no respite, striking them when they are away from their most potent weapons. Military vehicles are formidable, but they are thirsty beasts, in terms of fuel, ammo, time, and maintenance. Tanks and bombers are formidable only when they have gas, guns, and can be maintained. In a war without a front, logistics are incredibly easy to destroy, and mechanics and supply clerks are not particularly adept at defending themselves.

Eventually, the government will turn upon itself. The President will be captured or perhaps killed by his own protectors. A dictatorship will form in the vacuum.

If we’re lucky, the United States of America, or whatever amalgam results, will again try to rebuild. If we’re very lucky, the victors will reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Just as likely though, we’ll face fractious civil wars fought over issues we’ve not begun to fathom, and a much diminished state or states will result, perhaps guided by foreign interests.

It will not be pretty. There will be no “winners,” and perhaps hundreds of thousands to millions of dead.

Yet, this is the future we face if the power-mad among us are not soundly defeated at the ballot box before they affect more “change” than we, the People, are willing to surrender to would-be tyrants.

An overthrow of the duly elected President would be something I would be willing to fight and die to prevent

The electoral college is the election, according to the constitution that you all profess to love.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: anonentity

If it happens, The United States of America will cease to be, from that exact moment it will be called The Empire.

and then what Metallicus said will likely happen next.

Yep. It would be a race to either civil war or rampant secession.

a reply to: anonentity

if it is true, then I must assume that it would be allowed to use violence, death threats to affect an election.

The leftist fascists bit off more than they could chew.

a reply to: DBCowboy


Its all about hiding money gained from illegal but highly profitable sources. If this were found out and became general knowledge they would have to start singing, that means the CIA as well www.gvnet.com... which leads to a site that says that US children are processed through immigration and taken to a palace and then indoctrinated with a different name and new religion..this has come from ex domestic workers at the various palaces.
Where the paragraph of child sex slave occurs, their it leads to an archive site with some damming considerations. Hit the "here" in small type.

originally posted by: Metallicus
See, this is the difference between you and me.

As long as there's no bad-blood between us ...

I gave up being enchanted by the nobilities of words quite some time ago. The Democratic Process has become something of a sham. You can see what I mean if you look where people have run for office after crossing party lines.

She won't need a pardon then....good for her!

a reply to: cavtrooper7


Or we could say it's the duty of every American Citizen regardless of race colour or creed, to uphold the Constitution. What manpower does the CIA actually command as opposed to the FBI anyone got a clue?

a reply to: anonentity

Only a few are compromised. in the CIA.
So they would see a threat from both,unless the director is politically compromized.

I think the CIA has deeper pockets and deeper analysis....of the two.

a reply to: FlyingFox


That would be a fact. But would it be in federal accounts? if it wasn't they would be automatous.