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What I haven't found was how Puthoff and Swann became involved with Hubbard and Scientology. Hubbard has always seemed like a snake oil salesman, so were they associated before the onset of Hubbard's writings?
originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Kandinsky
At the end of the day, whether the mechanism for obtaining the target information is really psychic in nature is irrelevant. If the target information is obtained, it validates the (proposed) technique being used by the remote viewers. There are ways of extrapolating information from targets given the unconscious mind's ability to interpret patterns and cues. One of the things Targ mentions in the TED Talk is certain cues that happen spontaneously during a magician's performance where once the magician has observed this cue from his target, he uses it to extrapolate the information from his target almost algorithmically.
Now taking that in to consideration, it would seem that certain people like Ingo Swann and even Uri Gellar (yes team Xenu at SRI studied him as well) probably became very proficient at this method over time and would be able to systematically increase their accuracy rate simply by exploiting this hack. And again, it's a hack in a sense that it isn't inherently psychic as we define psychic empirically, but rather it is yielding results often enough that could otherwise only (seemingly) be obtained psychically. And finally, they could be hacking results and the results could be reinforcing their belief in their own genuine abilities, all while still remaining non psychical.
What tosh! You ignore the crucial fact that remote viewing trials both then and now are carried out under double blind conditions that eliminate ALL access to possible cues that could identify the target - unlike in the case of the stage magician, where the clue merely goes unseen by the audience. It was such rigorous exclusion of sensory cues that convinced Targ and Puthoff that genuine ESP was at work.
Your comment is totally uninformed and the vacuous conclusion you draw from it is worthless. So many here at ATS like to make worthless speculations based upon complete ignorance that they dress up to look like well-informed comments and evaluations.
There is a lot to this that is still Classified because it actually works.
originally posted by: SargonThrall
a reply to: ColdWisdom
Have you read the book "The Stargate Conspiracy"? My best friend is obsessed with it, he lent it to me for a read and it is quite fascinating. It outlines the connections of various cults to the CIA and such. Puharich and Geller in particular seemed to have "paranormal" events happen around them which were performed with exotic technologies. The CIA seems to start cults as a means of practicing mind control techniques.
a reply to: pianopraze
The same friend mentioned above believes this as well. He has a number of books and documents about the Nazis being behind MKultra and "traumatic conditioning". He believes that Mengele's still-classified files were about this. According to him it has to do with genetic trauma, hypnosis, drugs, et cetera in some bizarre conglomeration to erase and reprogram the victim's mind...
I can only get him to talk about it when he's drunk though.