Holy Nightmare - Hillary Might Be Our Next President. A 3-state Recount is Possible.

a reply to: Astrocyte

Uhm no, there is no evidence that Russia hacked into computer systems dealing with the election process.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Astrocyte

Uhm no, there is no evidence that Russia hacked into computer systems dealing with the election process.

Security experts say that Russian hackers have broken into the computers of not only the Democratic National Committee but other targets as well.

This has raised a new wave of concerns that on Election Day, the votes themselves could be compromised by hackers, potentially tipping the results. Most states have returned to paper-backed voting systems in recent years, but that still leaves vulnerable a number of states that rely solely on machines.
www.npr.org...

There's evidence that "Russia" hacked into the Democratic National Committee. If they were so bold as to do that and circulate those stolen emails to influence an election, why wouldn't they try to hack the election itself, assuming they have that capability?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: UKTruth
Jill Stein is requesting a recount, but needs funds to get it sorted. She has a donation page up.

This Friday is the deadline for requesting a recount in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania's deadline is Monday, Michigan;s deadline is next Wednesday.

Since all government agencies are closed for Thanksgiving and many of them for the day after Thanksgiving as well, Wisconsin is very IFFY, don't cha think?

It's just the request that has to go in by Friday at 4pm.
It looks on based on the money raised for it so far.

All 3 states would need to flip in the recount to change the result, although if they manage to flip 2 states and then get 2 faithless electors to go against the people of the state, that would do it too.

Wow! Can electors "flip" right up until the date they all cast their ballots, which is December 19th?

I've heard both sides YES and NO.

But, best I can gather - - depends on the state. Each state has its own rules.

That could still be wrong.

Each state as well as each party have their own laws / requirements when it comes to voting in the electoral college. The laws / policies in question do punish a person for voting in a manner thats inconsistent with the result of the popular vote. With that said the laws / policies do not invalidate / overturn and elector who votes for someone else.

In order to disqualify Trump (NOT elect Clinton) 20 electoral electors would need to cast their vote for someone else, bringing Trump below the 270. In order to elect Clinton by the electoral college they would have to flip a lot more than 20.

Absent a 270 count, the House of Representatives will decide among the top 3 individuals who received the most electoral votes. In this case the options would be Clinton or Trump.

The voting is 1 state delegation = 1 vote. So the state of California would only get 1 vote. The 12th amendment to the US Constitution spells it out.

Here is the kicker - While electors are free to vote for whomever, if a vote goes to the Congress they are restricted to the top 3 candidates who received the most electoral votes. So again it comes down to Clinton and Trump however they would be the ONLY 2 options Congress would have.

Regardless of what the Republicans think of Trump they retained control of the senate and the House. They arent going to throw the election to Hillary and jeopardize their agenda.

What the left is doing is not only an exercise in futility, its potentially damaging politically if they flip enough to force a vote in Congress only to lose there.

It would continue to show the Democrats are out of touch with the people and are only concerned about keeping power and not representing the will of the people or complying with our constitutional process. You think you are hearing complaints of how corrupt our system is now if the Dems go through with this what we hear now will pale in comparison to what would occur.

Also even if Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin go to Clinton it would be a 269/269 split, once again forcing the vote to Congress.

I have trouble see them flip all 3 states.Maybe one.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Annee


What a clusterphuck eh?

Definitely.

I do understand Representative Government.

But, 2 million more people voted for Hillary. That's a lot.

a reply to: Annee

And they all pretty much live in one small area of one state. What part of that do you not understand?

Why do you think it right that all of the rest of the country be ruled by the popular vote total of one state?

a reply to: windword

There is no evidence Russia did that at all. That is speculation. It has been maintained that it was an inside job, likely pulled by Sanders supporters angry at how the DNC colluded with the Clinton campaign to throw the primary to their candidate.

Yes,

Hillary didn't get the vote of the poor, uneducated, white people.

They got Trump.

We'll see where that goes.

Unless something radical happens.

For one thing, Michigan doesn't use voting machines. You can't hack what isn't there.

Chris Thomas, the director of Michigan's Bureau of Elections, said Michigan doesn't use the electronic voting machines identified in the report as being the sources of potential hacking.

"We are an entire paper and optical scan state," Thomas told the on Wednesday. "Nothing is connected to the Internet."

These are some really funny allegations considering that one of the people making them supposedly IS in MIchigan and should know this ... you would think.

More fake news?

Not only that, but MIchigan DID recount and ... Trump still won.

He won by a little over 10,000 votes.

The Michigan Secretary of State posted results Wednesday that were submitted by the state's 83 county clerks on Tuesday after the votes were reviewed and certified by each county.

Before that compiled count, Trump held a 13,107 lead over Clinton. But after each county certified its results, the lead shrunk to 10,704, with the biggest chunk coming from Wayne County, which showed that Clinton had gotten 565 more votes than originally tallied by the county.

The state's Board of Canvassers will officially certify the results on Nov. 28. The electoral college in all the states, including Michigan's 16 electors, will cast their votes on Dec. 19.

"Many people have asked about Michigan’s process for counting ballots and certifying election results. Please be aware that all 1,521 Michigan cities and townships completed ballot counting and reported unofficial results by the morning of Wednesday, Nov. 9," according to a statement on the Secretary of State's website. "The county canvassing boards, as they do after every election, then began their work to review and certify the results from each precinct."

If this is how badly they are muffing what is going on in Michigan - no actual machines to be hacked, election still has Trump in the lead with final count in - then how badly are they muffing the other two states to make this a story to get the left riled up or try to convince EC votes to turn faithless in doubt?

a reply to: Annee

Yes, yes, I know "experts" said so ...

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

Yes, yes, I know "experts" said so ...

Actual statistics are not opinion.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Meldionne1
She has already concede. ....it's done .

Yeah that's not an actual thing. Though I doubt at this point she would ask for a recount unless these folks come up with something super compelling.

If this happened you're likely looking at a civil war. Also, the media people are losing their minds.

As long as we're on the subject of political fallout in
the extreme, like civil wat(?!)-- if that's a strait jacket
on Andrea M. I'm all for it. I've always wanted to nibble
on her ears while she was helpless.. Alan's a lucky guy.

Back to the recount. Whether Hil demands it publicly
or not isn't the issue... if the recount overturns to the
delight of the DNC and all those Hil supporters, will the
demonstrators have to reimburse Soros for failing to
START a civil war before the cheating caught up and all?

PS I heard Charlie Rangel was still all in for an amendment
abolishing the Electoral College, no matter who won/wins.
Gee, a Dem from New York(one of the three biggest blue
strangle er, Rangel-holds. Go figure dat one.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

let the tech geeks and computer scientists analyze the data and gather evidence.

if there is clear evidence that there was hacking by 3rd party to undermine the election, i am sure trump supporters who want transparency and a fair democracy will support hillary if its shows the election was tampered with and rigged for trump by 3rd foreign entities that do not have democracies best interest in mind.

this is not about trump or hilary, its about democracy and the democratic process of voting.

see what happens since challenge deadline is not past yet.

originally posted by: carewemust
November 22, 2016

"Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned.

Would this be the same bunch that helped her out with servers and e-mails?

a reply to: Annee

Annee, you can't hack what isn't there to hack. No matter what the stats show, there ARE NO MACHINES IN MICHIGAN TO HACK.

It was not the Russians.

Someone already posted a more plausible explanation that it was differences in polling, not anything nefarious. And it is for this reason exactly that Germany banned computerized polling. There is no verified vote count possible, so there will always be suspicion and inaccuracy. The hand counted ballot is the most accurate and easily verified and secured.

Although the focus of this report is on the discrepancies between the exit polls and the computerized vote counts, it must be mentioned that other researchers have analyzed the 2016 Democratic Party primaries from related perspectives and their results are not reassuring. Axel Geijsel (Tilburg University, Netherlands) with Rodolfo Cortes Barragan (Stanford University), for example, recently released their working paper on 22 states with votes backed by a paper trail versus 14 states that did not. They found that States with a paper trail yielded higher support for Sanders (51%) than Clinton (49%). States without a paper trail yielded higher support for Clinton (64%) than Sanders (35%) [6].

Perhaps this is why Hillary and others have not opened up the recount, and we have seen reports of voting machines in places like PA that have had to be removed in favor of old-fashioned hand balloting because they kept trading up votes to Clinton when the voter wished to vote Trump.

a reply to: bluerabbit7788


Still believe that? Russia maybe, maybe Greenland.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Annee


What a clusterphuck eh?

Definitely.

I do understand Representative Government.

But, 2 million more people voted for Hillary. That's a lot.

counting the millions of invaders that voted before and after OBs urging
to break the law and he would do nothing?

Turns out 50s style lies and propaganda about the evil Russians are still all that is needed to convince some Americans. Sad really

Two reasons why Hillary will not go for a recount:

One, Trump will then threaten her with a further email investigation

Two, she understands the cheating is a sanctioned fix the bosses want to stand


The vote was definitely fixed for a Trump victory a small amount of research proves this

All that being said in light of the fact that Hillary has taken almost a 2 million-vote lead in the popular vote she should have taken all means and measures to protest this vote.

The present democrats though are wimps and cowards unlike the days of the tough democrats like Kennedy and Johnson today’s wimpy dems have allowed themselves to get eaten alive by the GOP. Hillary I predict won’t protest the vote.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Thank-you for that EXCELLENT explanation and description of what's needed to switch the Presidency from Trump to Clinton, Xcathdra!

The method right up Hillary/DNC's ally would be to go straight to the ELECTORS, and offer them a REWARD that far exceeds the PUNISHMENT you refer to. Flipping at least 20 would be EASY before they vote on December 19th, assuming these are ordinary people with regular jobs, living on a budget.