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USA Made iPhones? Apple could make iPhones in US in future: sources

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posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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Maybe, US made I phones?

According to this story, Apple asked Fox Conn and Pegatron to look into making the phones in the US, both complied, and refused to comment.

It cost 225$ for Apple to have a phone made, with an subsidized cost of 649$.

Trump may require a certain amount of components be made in the US.

Wonder if Trump is influencing the Apple decision?



TAIPEI -- iPhones might one day soon carry "Made in America" labels.

Key Apple assembler Hon Hai Precision Industry, also known as Foxconn Technology Group, has been studying the possibility of moving iPhone production to the U.S., sources told the Nikkei Asian Review.

"Apple asked both Foxconn and Pegatron, the two iPhone assemblers, in June to look into making iPhones in the U.S.," a source said. "Foxconn complied, while Pegatron declined to formulate such a plan due to cost concerns."

Foxconn, based in the gritty, industrial Tucheng district in suburban Taipei, and its smaller Taiwanese rival churn out more than 200 million iPhones annually from their massive Chinese campuses.

Another source said that while Foxconn had been working on the request from Apple Inc., its biggest customer that accounts for more than 50% of its sales, Chairman Terry Gou had been less enthusiastic due to an inevitable rise in production costs.

"Making iPhones in the U.S. means the cost will more than double," the source said.

The person added that one view among the Apple supply chain in Taiwan is that U.S. President-elect Donald Trump may push the Cupertino, California-based tech titan to make a certain number of iPhone components at home.

According to research company IHS Markit, it costs about $225 for Apple to make an iPhone 7 with a 32GB memory, while the unsubsidized price for such a handset is $649.

Apple, Foxconn and Pegatron all declined to comment.


asia.nikkei.com...
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posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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Just because Apple could move to the US doesn't mean that they would be using American workers. They would more than likely use the H1B visa workers shipped in in droves. Sure the pay would be higher for them but the money is just going to trickle out of the US to their home countries anyway.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
According to this story, Apple asked Fox Conn and Pegatron to look into making the phones in the US, both complied, and refused to comment.

Wonder if Trump is influencing the Apple decision?


He absolutely is. Companies like Apple in particular have no issue whatsoever with using the cheapest most brutal foreign labor possible. For anyone who doesn't know, the Foxconn factories in China where Apple products are currently made force the employees to work in such horrible conditions that they had to install suicide nets around the buildings to stop the workers from jumping to their deaths just to escape. So, when Apple announces that they're trying to move the labor back into the U.S., you can bet it's because of strong political pressure and not the goodness of their hearts.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

The protesters obviously don't have access to the news.

In a little over a week we are seeing....

An aggressive stance on lobbyists.

Saudia Arabia shi#ing the bed.

Russia just renewed ties with the US.

Syria is willing to talk with the US and Russia to combat ISIS.

And companies already planning how to bring back production.

I'm sure I'm missing a few.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

$225 per unit in Taiwan? i don't think so, perhaps $25, if that.

Sure, costs will rise if manufactured, or compulsory components manufactured in the USA but there is no way on this planet that it will cost $649 per unit.

$649 with 400% + markup profit perhaps

What do Apple care, they know people will pay



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

Who is supposed to subsidize them?

Taxpayers?



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

There is a disconnect when thinking about things made cheaper over seas.

It's cheaper for the company producing them and helps their margins sure. And maybe the consumer sees a lower retail price.

But if made here, more jobs and more taxes for the production.

In the end the value of our dollar has alot to do with what we project globally. If more is being made here, more jobs are being filled, and we tax the production of not only phones (or any product) not only being sold here but globally, I would expect our dollar goes alot further when we go to use it.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

Ya the numbers game, I want everyone that reads this to remember that right wing radio talk show hosts said it would cost 1,000s of dollars per phone if Apple was forced to come "home".

We will see.


$225 per unit in Taiwan? i don't think so, perhaps $25, if that.

Sure, costs will rise if manufactured, or compulsory components manufactured in the USA but there is no way on this planet that it will cost $649 per unit.

$649 with 400% + markup profit perhaps

What do Apple care, they know people will pay



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: trollz
Shhhhh, informed consumers won't buy it if they know. You are right about terrible conditions. Charge an absolute tippy top price for the product, play slave wages. Like Nike.



He absolutely is. Companies like Apple in particular have no issue whatsoever with using the cheapest most brutal foreign labor possible. For anyone who doesn't know, the Foxconn factories in China where Apple products are currently made force the employees to work in such horrible conditions that they had to install suicide nets around the buildings to stop the workers from jumping to their deaths just to escape. So, when Apple announces that they're trying to move the labor back into the U.S., you can bet it's because of strong political pressure and not the goodness of their hearts.




posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: TheLotLizard
Just because Apple could move to the US doesn't mean that they would be using American workers. They would more than likely use the H1B visa workers shipped in in droves. Sure the pay would be higher for them but the money is just going to trickle out of the US to their home countries anyway.


The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc.

So you are probably correct that they will employ SOME H1B workers but it's not like you might think.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: TheLotLizard
Just because Apple could move to the US doesn't mean that they would be using American workers. They would more than likely use the H1B visa workers shipped in in droves. Sure the pay would be higher for them but the money is just going to trickle out of the US to their home countries anyway.


Except that Trump wants to reform the H1B program also.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:48 PM
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Lol, but first you have to convince everybody else it is OK to pay 10times the price for it..... heck, you guys already bitch about the prices of electronic stuff made in China, even though it is less than 50% of what we pay in Europe for the same thing.... if it is made in USA, no chilqd labor, minimum wages, and you pay 10x more..... knowing your mindset, good luck that. You have been brainwashed too much with the throw-away mindset.... first you noeed to learn how to re-use and then recycle everything, rather than buying new stuff every year



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: seasonal


Neither candidate [Sander, Trump] could instantly make that happen. As Steve Jobs once told President Obama when he asked why Apple didn’t make phones in its home country, the company didn’t hire manufacturers in China only because labor is cheaper there. China also offered a skilled workforce and flexible factories and parts suppliers that can, Apple believes, retool more quickly than their American counterparts.

MIT Technology Review, June 9, 2016 - The All-American iPhone.

***Warning: You only get 5 or 6 free visits to MIT Review during a one month period. Use wisely***

It is not even close to reality on this one. The new iPhone has a patent in for a flexible screen using carbon nanotubes and there is nothing in America that is even close to making those in any level required for production of an iPhone.

The MIT article is a good read. It doesn't matter what Trump says on this one, it will never happen. Sorry Trumpster.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Hellhound604

Are you saying the phone is going to cost 6,495$ in the US?




Lol, but first you have to convince everybody else it is OK to pay 10times the price for it..... heck, you guys already bitch about the prices of electronic stuff made in China, even though it is less than 50% of what we pay in Europe for the same thing.... if it is made in USA, no chilqd labor, minimum wages, and you pay 10x more..... knowing your mindset, good luck that. You have been brainwashed too much with the throw-away mindset.... first you noeed to learn how to re-use and then recycle everything, rather than buying new stuff every year



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Hellhound604

The workers would probably get paid 10-12 an hour depending on factory location. The workers right now get 2 an hour in China.

You would save substantial amounts of money for shipping so that would mitigate some of the cost.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

Realistically, if you look at the time and money involved in R&D it might be a realistic price. You ever wondered why you military or avionics radios cost a minimum of US$ 20 000?
If you have to pay 50 electronic engineers, 20 mechanical engineers, 100 draftsmen and a couple of hundred admin staff over 4 years to come up with a new design, and then a few hundred hours of very expensive EMI/EMC testing in the USA, how much do you think a single product like an iPhone will cost?

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posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

If corporate tax gets lowered here and there are incentives to build factories here than anything can happen.

We've had industrial revolutions before, so the impossible statement holds no merit to me. Unlikely, fine, I got you.

This country has done far more ambitious things than make trash phones.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: Hellhound604

They don't sell millions of units of avionics. The cost of R&D over 10's of millions of units, not too bad. Next reason?


Realistically, if you look at the time and money involved in R&D it might be a realistic price. You ever wondered why you military or avionics radios cost a minimum of US$ 20 000?
If you have to pay 50 electronic engineers, 20 mechanical engineers, 100 draftsmen and a couple of hundred admin staff over 4 years to come up with a new design, and then a few hundred hours of very expensive EMI/EMC testing in the USA, how much do you think a single product like an iPhone will cost?



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: seasonal
Lol ok.... but first you must rebuild all the FAB-labs in the USA and PCB-fabs, and have only USA-made components in the phone, and you wont have slaves building it, unless you use prisoners. I think if you do all the sums, you will be in for quite a nasty surprise. There is a reason after all as to why things are outsourced to China...

Will be sort of the '70's electronics stuff. Made in the USA, but nobody could afford it...

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posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
Are you saying the phone is going to cost 6,495$ in the US?

Even at that price the Apple fanboys would happily go into debt just to buy one.

The more something costs = the higher the status symbol = the more people want it.

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