Why and How PUTIN’S RUSSIA IS BACKING DONALD TRUMP

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think that until the able bodied in America have what they need, the downtrodden will not. By this i mean, with a nearly nonexistent middle class tax base, who is left to fund social programs for the needy and homeless?

I agree with our current need for protectionism and nonintervention. That said....it was about 90 years ago that people clamored for the same. Strauss Howe indicates that you and I SHOULD be against foreign intervention at this point. Which really bothers me. I hate acting a script of human divine comedy. Being beholden to systems of action/reaction that are so obvious that they can be summed up so easily in a theory of generations.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Listen, what the hacks of Democratic party showed is that it conspired with Hillary Clinton to undermine Bernie Sanders, among other things. If by any chance that did not happen, and Bernie was a Democratic nominee, he would have my support, as he's a socialist like me. But, that was not the case. And instead, we got Hillary Clinton, person who directly influenced Bill Clinton to bomb Yugoslavia. She's also responsible for hundreds of thousands dead people in Libya and Syria. Are you now partly starting to understand on what I''m basing my stance and opinion about her?

Plus, it just happens that I absolutely support Trump's foreign policy. I was a long time critique of American foreign policy, because I've experienced it first hand. I am also against Russia doing the same thing, Germany, the UK and so on. But that's not reality. In Serbia, there are daily clashes between the western and Russian/Chinese influence. I am strongly opposing that. Donald Trump says he wants to bring the government back to it's people. I think it's a wonderful thing, and there's a chance of that political movement spreading across the world.

Trump stated he will bring back American troops. He also stated that he will work with Russia and Assad in defeating ISIS which got it's ground with direct and indirect support of the west. That's a fact.

Historically, I was always leaning towards Democratic party of the US. It was a long time ago that I supporter a Republican nominee of the USA. It's not my fault Democratic party went to hell because of it's greed and corruption.

So, you as a Bernie supporter, have to ask yourself, why do I not have a problem with what was disclose by whoever about how Democratic party intentionally sabotaged my candidate, and why are they trying to flip it around and blame it on the Russians, intentionally trying to deflect from what's been disclosed?

If you want your party to heal and become what it used to be, then instead of going around and shouting red communists and labeling people as Russian shills, maybe try and shift your focus to your own backyard and clean your own house of corruption.

And

And please do realize that I'm dreadfully sad that you lost your parents and brothers due to political crapola.

Thank you

a reply to: Nikola014

"Trump stated he will bring back American troops. He also stated that he will work with Russia and Assad in defeating ISIS which got it's ground with direct and indirect support of the west. That's a fact. "

I did not know that. Ah, got it, you all want to spill more American blood.

a reply to: MOMof3

I now understand how Trump must feel like, when dishonest people put words in his moth

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I agree with you - so why is it a "good thing" when the very people who have stripped the able-bodied of their jobs and their homes, who are buying foreign cheaper steel for our infrastructure, who are going to dismantle every single regulation on business, and not do one damn thing to correct this mess ------ why is it a good thing that they are being put in the West Wing?!!

Do you really not see this? It's a nightmare. The very same people who caused the 2008 crash - who have hoarded their money overseas and farmed out American JOBS to cheap 3rd-world and Chinese slave labor mills....how is that okay?

It isn't.
There is now NO ONE in charge who is willing to fight for the regular schmoes....let alone the needy.

You think private wealth is going to trickle down now? Hahaha.....
no.

We just institutionalized the disenfranchisement of our entire labor force and all of the needy - leaving them to the voluntary graciousness of the uber-rich. It buggers the mind.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I haven't supported anyone in one of the 2 parties since 1992. Before that, i was a child and supported no one. My first exposure to politics was what they did to Ross Perot. And don't misunderstand: i loathe the man. But I likely would have voted for him over CIA Bush or "Slick Willy" the car salesman.

So in this election, to me, it was utterly transparent that its wealth verses wealth.

i was not interested in seeing either of these 2 candidates be elected. And even with that, i saw no "third party" candidate that didn't scare the hell out of me when I really evaluated them.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Fair enough. I didn't want either of these myself. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I am flipped out about this, as are many millions of others. It seems like a major 'sea-change' (in fact, it is) that I'm not sure our nation is ready to tackle. Putting the uber-rich in charge seems counter-intuitive to me.

Anyway - stay safe, and we'll all hang in here together I guess. I really do appreciate those who take the time to make their thoughts clear.

a reply to: Nikola014

LOL

Nobody has to, or does, put words in Trump's mouth. His own well documented words and tweets condemn him well enough without any outside help.

a reply to: Nikola014

LOL

Nobody has to, or does, put words in Trump's mouth. His own well documented words and tweets condemn him well enough without any outside help.[/quote[
a reply to: windword

Right? And it just keeps on giving!

Seriously, though - this man - this gilded sad sack - is really a character case study.
Documentary about Trump's life and history and personality

LIVE: Sally Yates Testifies On Russian interference In 2016 Elections 5/8/17 Flynn Trump

Sally Yates is speaking now.




www.c-span.org.../sally-yates-james-clapper-testify-russian-interference-2016-election&live

We should have voted for Bonnie and rapist Clyde who made 911 possible if not planned it.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
LIVE: Sally Yates Testifies On Russian interference In 2016 Elections 5/8/17 Flynn Trump

Sally Yates is speaking now.



www.c-span.org.../sally-yates-james-clapper-testify-russian-interference-2016-election&live

Since you supposedly care about some fabricated BS about Trump and Russia (which is a joke). Why don't you care about the easily proven Clinton ties to Russia?

Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover (detailed time line)

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Since you supposedly care about some fabricated BS about Trump and Russia (which is a joke). Why don't you care about the easily proven Clinton ties to Russia?

GET OVER IT: TRUMP WON. Why should we care about a has been pol when we have a President of the United States who may be committing treason? Open your eyes. Clinton is over; Trump is the new war monger/ sellout.

Satire

a reply to: ipsedixit

Unfortunately, it is not satire. Putin has acknowledged that "patriotic Russians" may have hacked American assets to influence the election.

a reply to: DJW001

My point is that in making such an announcement Putin is (yet again?) assisting Donald Trump by putting the idea out that "Russian" interference in the US election didn't involve the government, so there couldn't have been consultation or cooperation between the Russian government and the Trump team. Putin's statement could be a smokescreen that would give Trump a point of departure for defensive tweeting or podium remarks on the subject.

It also begs the question, "Just how much hacking is possible in Russia without tacit government approval or encouragement?" (Hackers = Obedient pooches)

Traitors

This election meddling story started 1 year ago, is a EU manufactured scam that will end up backfiring on the west.
The whole story has been manufactured by the EU in one of their usual ill attempts at meddling in the upcoming russian presidential elections in 2018. Of course, were Putin to be a candidate again, he would win with ~80% of the votes, dealing a massive blow to the west.

... A nothing-burger can turn out to taste real bitter ...

originally posted by: Flanker86
This election meddling story started 1 year ago, is a EU manufactured scam that will end up backfiring on the west.
The whole story has been manufactured by the EU in one of their usual ill attempts at meddling in the upcoming russian presidential elections in 2018. Of course, were Putin to be a candidate again, he would win with ~80% of the votes, dealing a massive blow to the west.

... A nothing-burger can turn out to taste real bitter ...

Now it's the EU? I thought it was supposed to be the American "alphabet agencies." Why else would patriotic Russian hackers who are in no way connected with the Russian government dump all those NSA documents on WikiLeaks all of a sudden? We may never know the truth, eh?

Oh, and what Flanker is referring to is this, which I reported on well before the American presidential election:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Flanker86
This election meddling story started 1 year ago, is a EU manufactured scam that will end up backfiring on the west.
The whole story has been manufactured by the EU in one of their usual ill attempts at meddling in the upcoming russian presidential elections in 2018. Of course, were Putin to be a candidate again, he would win with ~80% of the votes, dealing a massive blow to the west.

... A nothing-burger can turn out to taste real bitter ...

Now it's the EU? I thought it was supposed to be the American "alphabet agencies." Why else would patriotic Russian hackers who are in no way connected with the Russian government dump all those NSA documents on WikiLeaks all of a sudden? We may never know the truth, eh?

Oh, and what Flanker is referring to is this, which I reported on well before the American presidential election:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are doing amazing research. This "dark cloud" I felt over the 2016 US Election was far bigger than "the other Team getting into office" or even because of Trump's obvious (to nonsupporters) corruption, volatility and possible instability. It was much bigger. Russia and her oligarchs Want to rule the entire world, or at least most of it.

Europe and NATO countries have been in their sites all along, and the lowest, meanest fascism is now being overtly promoted to destabilize and be controlled by Putin. They are rabid dogs being called to his leash. They will terrorize and "remove" opposition once in power, but Russia will rule them with people in their control, and will exploit their weaknesses and encourage their excesses.


Who stood between Putin and his empire?

The United States of America.

Well. At least they used to.

The shadow has fallen while we squabble over policy and name calling and political theatre. The battles for control are real, but narrowly, domestically focused. Putin is decidedly winning with his thumb on the back of America, his compromised President installed. We need to wake up or we are doomed.