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Why and How PUTIN’S RUSSIA IS BACKING DONALD TRUMP

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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka

"jaded"?

You really need to do some research. Russia. KBG. Organized crime clear up the ladder to Putin. Kamera labs. Hit men. Poison. Dissidents are killed. You should be afraid.

I really doubt you are old enough to remember the Cold War, the air-raid sirens and under-desk-huddling. You don't know what you're talking about, and that's because of your lack of education.
Please do some homework and learn.




posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Now that you've scrolled trough my posting history, is it clear to you that I have no connection with Russia in any way? This witch hunt which you and a couple of your buddies are waging against me is rather amusing, and tiresome at the same time.

Please answer me this question. How did Russia influence the US elections? Was it by delivering a long promised transparency of Democratic party? If so, why are you much more upset about who delivered us this message, than what the message showed?



ETA: Oh, and Nikola, remember how you told us you were in the government in your intro thread? Yeah. Transparency is you.

I've worked for the governments of my country for the majority of my life. For most part of it, it was nothing "fancy", as it was a normal job, like any other. Again, I am not sure how's any of that connected to this subject.

You can try extremely hard to make me look like an Russian agent, but I'm pretty sure in a couple of years, when all of this is behind us, I will still be on ATS, as I've been for the past 5 years.

Hope to see you here as well



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Why do Russians favor one American political party over another?



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka


For the record, I only watch Russia Today for the Victory Day Parade in May. Once a year, every year.


I guess you just love missile parades, then. I don't know where you picked up the "Anti-Russian" meme. Believe it or not, the Cold War was a real thing, and Vladimir Putin was a foot soldier in it. To him, those were Russia's glory days, when Russian leaders could pound on a table with their shoe and proclaim "we will bury you!"



(What Ukraine born Khrushchev actually meant was "we (Communism) will outlast you." Still, Russia, in its Soviet form, was feared and respected. Putin's Russia is not.)
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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Nikola014

Why do Russians favor one American political party over another?


Russians do not really care one way or another. Putin favored Trump over Clinton for a number of reasons. Clinton would definitely have stood up to Putin, probably even ordering Russian jets to be shot down if they harass American ships. Trump, on the other hand, is a vain fool whom Putin can easily manipulate.



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Why do Americans favor one political leader over another in a sovereign nation and try to help him get the presidency?


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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Now that you've scrolled trough my posting history, is it clear to you that I have no connection with Russia in any way? This witch hunt which you and a couple of your buddies are waging against me is rather amusing, and tiresome at the same time.

Please answer me this question. How did Russia influence the US elections? Was it by delivering a long promised transparency of Democratic party? If so, why are you much more upset about who delivered us this message, than what the message showed?



ETA: Oh, and Nikola, remember how you told us you were in the government in your intro thread? Yeah. Transparency is you.

I've worked for the governments of my country for the majority of my life. For most part of it, it was nothing "fancy", as it was a normal job, like any other. Again, I am not sure how's any of that connected to this subject.

You can try extremely hard to make me look like an Russian agent, but I'm pretty sure in a couple of years, when all of this is behind us, I will still be on ATS, as I've been for the past 5 years.

Hope to see you here as well

Uh. No. It is clear to me that you are in up to your eyeballs in government doings and pro-Putin, pro-Trump and probably have to cya to avoid being claimed a dissident. Why in the HELL should we believe you are neutral? Dude. You are part and parcel of the corruption and fascism that is Russia. Address the billboard. Address the TOPIC with some sort of factual information rather than you just saying "this is ridiculous."

How the hell do you know it's "ridiculous" if you "have nothing to do with Russia"? I don't give a crap how long you've been here, you admit you are a government agent in an Eastern European country with VERY CLOSE TIES TO RUSSIA historically, culturally, and politically.

You said yourself that your entire family was killed by NATO forces. That gives you EVERY REASON to be against the US or any of the NATO countries. Vendetta, revenge, brainwashing, and Che Guevara (although why the hell you have a Marxist rebel as your avatar is beyond me, except that you think he was a hero of some kind).



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

what the hell is it to you who is our president? If you aren't a Russian agent, or pro-Putin, then why do you care about Trump? WHAT IS IT TO YOU?



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

I know why we favor certain political parties. I just don't know why Russians prefer republicans.. And you seem to know everything about everyone. Enlighten me.



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:57 AM
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Please answer me this question. How did Russia influence the US elections?



What?
There are numerous threads active right now about it. It is real, factual information. Macedonian teenagers who are making a buck by spreading false information and propaganda to those most vulnerable to crapola input.

Putin hates Clinton because she disrespected him. Putin hates lots of people, and orders them assassinated at will. He has direct ties to what has happened here, and if you are too stubborn to admit there is actually very strong evidence that he is involved, then you have learned NOTHING on ATS in your five years....

now -- all of us have posted link after link and extext after extext and sources until we are blue in the face. And all you say is "it's ridiculous." SHOW US HOW IT'S RIDICULOUS.

SHOW US some real data. Not RT, not any of the propaganda sites that have been pointed out by ante and nefermore, and myself, and others. Provide some real information, or be dismissed as a low-information foreign national government "employee" (pawn) who knows not one damn thing about this country or real journalism.


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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 06:58 AM
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I am not neutral. I thought it was obvious by my posting during the election period. I am 100% for Trump. But, you think that's because I'm being paid to think so and to spread propaganda, which is not the case, unfortunately. Everything that I say is my personal opinion, which I'm entitled to.

You probably noticed that English is not my first language, but it's insane to me that I've a better understanding of what someone says than you. You're intentionally lying about



You said yourself that your entire family was killed by NATO forces.

That's a bloody lie.
I've lost my parents and my brother, which I've stated in my introduction thread, which you JUST QUOTED, but somehow managed to get the details wrong. Just like your mainstream media



How the hell do you know it's "ridiculous" if you "have nothing to do with Russia"? I don't give a crap how long you've been here, you admit you are a government agent in an Eastern European country with VERY CLOSE TIES TO RUSSIA historically, culturally, and politically.

I'm retired, if you must know. But, even if I weren't, do you understand that there's much more to government than to spread lies? I was never working with information anyway, so your accusation is wrong



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You should calm down a bit, and think with your logic, rather your emotions.

If you had just seriously asked me, why do I care who runs the most powerful country in the world, it just shows me you have no knowledge about politics nor history. If you did have any, you would understand my natural hatred of the Clinton family, for everything that they had done to me personally, then to my country as well.

Get a grip



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:02 AM
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That's a bloody lie.
I've lost my parents and my brother,

That's not what you said?

Here, let me remind you:


My name is Nikola,and i'm from Serbia.Currently im working in the government.

My hobbies are UFO researching and reading books and of course watching sports.

At the moment,i am engaged with my fiancee.

I came here to learn more about UFO and other conspiracy.

And while NATO bombing Serbia 99' i lost my parents and my brother so i'm against any Wars.



You came here to learn about conspiracies?
Now we have a real one, and you are denying it. Obviously you have been fed the billboard message....if you have nothing to do with Russia, why is Putin on a billboard with Trump? What does your country care about either of those? Hmmmm????

What she "did to you personally"? Are you saying she picked you out of the billions of people to make miserable? Your guy Putin is now crippling Syria and contributing to a massive humanitarian crisis that has "personally" ruined the lives of millions of people. Clearly you were traumatized by the loss of your parents and brother, as anyone would be.

But why so hostile to me? What did _I_ personally DO to you "personally"? War sucks. On that we can agree. I think that "collateral damage" is pure evil. War is evil. Putin is evil. All war-mongers are evil. Why do you work for the government? Why not in the private sector? Is there one?



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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You should calm down a bit, and think with your logic, rather your emotions.

If you had just seriously asked me, why do I care who runs the most powerful country in the world, it just shows me you have no knowledge about politics nor history. If you did have any, you would understand my natural hatred of the Clinton family, for everything that they had done to me personally, then to my country as well.

Get a grip


You aren't "pro-Trump" if you're just "anti-Hillary." You are "pro-Putin" and "anti-Hillary". There's a difference, and Trump hasn't offered the citizens of Serbia or their government agents anything at all ---- do you think you'll get reparations?


You have no idea what you are doing. How old are you anyway? Putin is a despotic fascist who has no hesitation to do horrendous things. Maybe you're on his watch list, hell, I don't know. He and you both hate Hillary.

How are you blaming Hillary for the 1990s bombing?



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:10 AM
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NATO's air campaign against Yugoslavia precipitated the most dangerous turn in Russian-Western relations since the early 1980s.

Although tensions have eased since the end of the Kosovo war, the anger and suspicion engendered on the Russian side will not easily dissipate. The anger will endure not least because the Russian reaction had little to do with the Serb-Kosovar conflict itself, and much more to do with Russia's growing unease about NATO's post-Cold War transformation: its enlargement and pretensions to act beyond the territory of its members, without an explicit UN mandate. Repairing relations will require political realism in Russia, the absence of a major new crisis in Kosovo, and restraint from NATO.


www.tandfonline.com...



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:14 AM
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You've displayed an immense lack of any knowledge, and instead, you just name call people, accuse them of being a paid shill, and spill the regular liberal BS that you've heard from your mainstream media, while having absolutely no clue what on earth you are saying.

I am not interested in having a discussion with you any more, as it's a complete waste of time

Over 60,000,000 of Americans hate Hillary as well. Does that make them pro-Russia as well? I get that your reality has been shattered when your cult leader did not win, but hey, it's not my fault you chose to worship a lying, corrupted, murderous criminal that's Hillary Clinton



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:16 AM
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On January 11, 2016, Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister, Dmitri Rogozin announced Moscow’s intention to arm Serbia with sophisticated weaponry, including S-300 surface-to-air missiles. Belgrade’s decision to deepen military cooperation with Russia caused controversy in Brussels, as Serbia in recent months has taken tangible steps towards accession to the European Union.

Serbian president Tomislav Nikolic has insisted that Serbia’s strengthened alliance with Russia will not compromise its EU membership aspirations. But difficulties in balancing relations between the increasingly hostile European and Russian blocs, and long-standing tensions over Kosovo’s status are significant roadblocks to eventual Serbian EU membership.

Serbia’s contradictory foreign policy strategy of simultaneously expanding linkages with Russia and the EU can be explained by two main factors. First, Serbia’s views on state sovereignty align more closely with Russian perspectives than the Western consensus.


Russia has consistently supported Serbia’s position on Kosovo. In 2008, Vladimir Putin warned that the legitimization of Kosovo’s declaration of independence would destabilize the international system.


He's your guy. Putin. No wonder you defend him and rail against me or anyone who points out the corruption.



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:17 AM
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I am not a fan of Hillary's. I was not on her 'side.' I wanted Bernie.

And anyway, this is not about HILLARY and how many millions of people "hate her." It's about DISINFORMATION and BRAINWASHING. It's about PUTIN and TRUMP. You are off-topic. And out of bounds. And obviously a victim of the propaganda. Your opinion as a government employee of Serbia is obviously skewed toward Russia. So of course you would say "it's ridiculous."


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posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:20 AM
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I wasn't a Hillary fan. I wanted Bernie. So there. Too bad there's no "ignore button," though. You're busted. Now - address the topic. Show us how it's a lie that those teens are working to spread disinfo on social media and alt sites. Show us how you know that, Mr Government Drone in Serbia.

SHOW US the data. Go ahead. Show us why the CIA and FBI and President Obama are all making this crap up.
Burden of proof? It has been presented. Now, present your case for the defense. With proper exhibits of your own intelligence and sources to back up what you say.



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 07:37 AM
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And please do realize that I'm dreadfully sad that you lost your parents and brothers due to political crapola.

I wanted Bernie (a Marxist, if you like). I want NO WARS. I want the US to BUTT OUT of the rest of the world.
I want our own hungry, ill, homeless, and needy citizens to have what they need. Why do you hate that idea? Why would you rather have a self-proclaimed "billionaire" and a bunch of other billionaires running the US Federal Government than someone who wants to look after EVERYONE?

WHY?



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