Bush caught empty handed during church offering

Originally posted by dgtempe
Always learning...MA was joking of course.

Phewf....that's a relief. Its hard to tell with some of our friends on ATS. It sounds like something I'd hear from some.

Doesnt it? Gotta love it.

It's not like he has ever extracted funds from Church collection plates or from US taxpayers by lying to them over anything.

Oh man, I needed that, hehe...

Originally posted by wyatt43
Does it say in the bible that you have to give?

Tithing (taken from the Hebrew word for tenth) is the Old Testament practice of giving a full 1/10 of your earnings to the church.

Malachi I do believe holds some popular verses on the curses you may expect to befall you for not doing so.

Some may argue that Jesus excused us from such archaic laws, though most do not. In fact, many modern ministers (especially televangelists) will assure earthly prosperity and rewards for honoring the tithe. Christian Kharma if you will.

Give 'til it hurts to win the lottery, etc. And as proof they point to their own Cadillacs. Yes, the Lord been good to me. Can I get an Amen?

Amen.

Jesus did note, however, I do believe that a simple tithe may not be enough. For it's harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle (or some such saying).

Assuming Bush does tithe 10% of his income (in this case his Father's income), no matter how great that sum might be, Jesus would be said to have considered that less than a poor person giving a stone (or some such trinket).

But Bush's church attendance of record is spotty at best, so we know it's a show anyhow. Why come prepared?

Jesus is a socialist anyway.

What you give is between you and God. So the President of the United States of America doesn't carry cash on him. That's really odd, considering how much shopping he does...Oh wait. What on earth would the president want cash on him for? When would he spend it?

No, this is just more Bush bashing by a bunch of people who still haven't gotten over the fact that MOST OF AMERICA LIKES GEORGE BUSH. Oooo, that just really upsets y'all, because how could someone feel any differently than you do? Keep up the Bush Bashing. It didn't work to win you guys the election, it'll probably help us Republicans take 2008, too.

Originally posted by junglejake
No, this is just more Bush bashing by a bunch of people who still haven't gotten over the fact that MOST OF AMERICA LIKES GEORGE BUSH. Oooo, that just really upsets y'all, because how could someone feel any differently than you do? Keep up the Bush Bashing. It didn't work to win you guys the election, it'll probably help us Republicans take 2008, too.

Thanks for reminding me of the other half of America that still have their brains intact.

Originally posted by junglejake
MOST OF AMERICA LIKES GEORGE BUSH.

This statement is ostensibly and statistically untrue.

You have been sucked in.

iam not of fan of GW at all...
but this is WEAK!!! cripe hes in church and hes human...BFD!!!
now Iam sure all of those of us who go to church have donated EVERY SINGLE time we have gone!!????
yea thought so....

Originally posted by junglejake
MOST OF AMERICA LIKES GEORGE BUSH. Oooo,

The government is successful at brain washing. Stay away from commercials and white noise if you dare.

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning

Originally posted by junglejake
No, this is just more Bush bashing by a bunch of people who still haven't gotten over the fact that MOST OF AMERICA LIKES GEORGE BUSH. Oooo, that just really upsets y'all, because how could someone feel any differently than you do? Keep up the Bush Bashing. It didn't work to win you guys the election, it'll probably help us Republicans take 2008, too.

Thanks for reminding me of the other half of America that still have their brains intact.

I believe the other half of America's brains is still intact also...in a jar of formaldehyde on a shelf somewhere!

EDIT: Of course I mean the ones who didn't vote conservative this pas November!

[edit on 24/1/05 by Intelearthling]

Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by junglejake
MOST OF AMERICA LIKES GEORGE BUSH. Oooo,

The government is successful at brain washing. Stay away from commercials and white noise if you dare.

No guys, I heard it was this symbiote life form that attaches at the head to brain wash, or even better yet, lobotomize its citizens into faithful republican Bushies.

Example of this symbiote life form: (notice how photograph flash exposes symbiote)


Must serve. Must conserve. Four more yeaaaaaaaaars!

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Originally posted by junglejake
MOST OF AMERICA LIKES GEORGE BUSH.

This statement is ostensibly and statistically untrue.

You have been sucked in.

I can say things like that, too. The only difference between my comment and yours is I have evidence:




Where's yours?

Originally posted by Intelearthling
I believe the other half of America's brains is still intact also...in a jar of formaldehyde on a shelf somewhere!

Labelled A.B. Normal like in Young Frankenstein....bwaaahhhhh. Isn't it fun when you make yourself laugh too!

Jake, I think you're about two months behind for that arguement.

If you missed that much, time to move on.

If it can be gloated about, it's been gloated about. If it can be debunked, it's been debunked. And every incarnation of photoshop imaginable has already been transfered bit by bit in never-ending stream from FreeRepublic to here so don't feel pressured to enlighten us to the vast deserts and uninhabited cow pastures that "voted" Bush.

[edit on 24-1-2005 by RANT]

First of critizing bush for not giving would be silly and hypocritical. However it does show a measure of unpreparedness, non chalance (to church i might add), and dependent on others mindset of our prez. you would think he had money in his wallet knowing hed be at church or would have gotten it before then. its not a xtain thing, its a how does this president prepare/think through things. Personally however I dont even go to church, but if I did, and wanted to give money I would bring some, or I would just be a bastard and pass the plate.

if you balance out OT economic laws, immenent domain would be illegal, so would modern banking charging interests, and we would have a 10% flat tax. We would also not be making foreign alliances or pursuing "containment" or "pre-emptive strike" initiatives like the war on terror.

and that camel reference was to the camels comming into the city at night. It was saying that a leaden camel full of goods had to be unloaded, so must you be willing to forsake your treasures in earth and recieve the kingdom as a little child (from scratch). however the only ones who gave up the entirety of their money to the new church were the apostles/first coming disciples evangelists. the rest tithed. Jesus also acknowledges how much of a sacrifice you made in giving (see parable of old woman with 2 cents).

Ok, if the majority of the country voting Bush by county is...what, non-consequensial since, as you put it, it's mostly farm land and what would an educated city kid like yourself care what a farmer thinks...That was your point, right?

So county by county is out, let's look at state by state, according to wikipedia.org. That county map, by the way, hasn't changed since the day I got it except to fill in the grey counties. I have a blow up of it sitting right above my monitor here at work, but it presents information you don't like to see, so I'll make my point another way.

States:

[Image isn't working for some reason, so I'll just remove it. Go here to see it]

(Wiki also happens to have that "doctored" picture of the county by county results, too. Funny that EVERY respectable site on the planet that has that map on has doctored it.) Oh, right, but most of those states have people who work with their hands, and who the heck cares what they think. Let's look at the numbers, instead:

George W. Bush of Texas (W) 62,028,194 50.73%
John F. Kerry of Massachusetts 59,027,612 48.28%
Ralph Nader of Connecticut 456,356 0.38%
Michael Badnarik of Texas 396,888 0.32%
Michael Peroutka of Maryland 142,841 0.12%
David Cobb of California 119,465 0.10%
Others 96,197 0.08% N/A
Totals 122,267,553 100.00 N/A


And here are a few interesting bullet points:

George W. Bush became the first candidate since his father—George H. W. Bush, in winning election in 1988—to receive a majority of the popular vote (that is, over 50% of it); it also marked the seventh consecutive election in which the Democratic nominee failed to reach that threshold.

The counties where Bush led in the popular vote amount to 83% of the geographic area of the U.S. (excluding Alaska, which did not report results by county, but had all districts but one of the two in Juneau vote for Bush).

The election marked the first time an incumbent president was re-elected while his political party increased its numbers in both houses of Congress since Franklin Delano Roosevelt in the 1936 election. It was the first time for a Republican since William McKinley in the 1900 election.

Yeah, that last quote really sets the mood. Obviously America hates George Bush and everything he stands for. That's why the Republican party gained more seats in both branches of congress, and he got reelected with over 50% of the popular vote.

I guess I'm just not seeing where I'm erring here...I guess I should just move on and let it go, then?


[edit on 1-24-2005 by junglejake]

I saw the video footage on FOX News. I was LMAO, just like the hosts were. We were laughing at the situation, not at Bush. In the back of my mind, I thought; there are going to be some democrats bashing Bush over this. I turned out to be right. Bush-Bashers are so petty, predictable, and full of hate.

Originally posted by Carseller4
I saw the video footage on FOX News. I was LMAO, just like the hosts were. We were laughing at the situation, not at Bush. In the back of my mind, I thought; there are going to be some democrats bashing Bush over this. I turned out to be right. Bush-Bashers are so petty, predictable, and full of hate.

But they definatelly give us a good sounding board. If I was trying to convince a third party to believe what I believe, and I didn't care how I did it, I would much rather have a frothing person spitting insults at whatever it is I'm arguing for while I respond with a cool, collected and educated response. It makes the frothing psycopath look like they're out of arguements or trying to hide something. lol This next comment won't be popular here at ATS, but the true sign of when you're winning a debate is when, unfounded (and sometimes founded) they start yelling "Conspiracy! Conspiracy! You're one of them!" With out that, debating would get to the heart of the issue, and no one wants that. So I'm happy with the dems groping for any little thing to attack the president on. After all, it is George Bush's fault for that Tsunami. Oh, and for my steak being undercooked at Webber grill. DAMN YOU GEORGE BUSH! I WANTED MY STEAK MEDUIM! MEDIUM!

The man was caught without cash to put in the collection tray so he borrowed some from his dad...so what? Get Over It!

Originally posted by junglejake
Ok, if the majority of the country voting Bush by county is...what, non-consequensial since, as you put it, it's mostly farm land and what would an educated city kid like yourself care what a farmer thinks...That was your point, right?

No. My point was we've all had this argument a thousand times over in actual threads about the election after the election, back when someone cared.

Welcome back. It's 2005. And this thread is about a silly awkward photo capture of Bush at church.

I believe someone else said most Americans don't like Bush, not me. Which may well be true at this point as polls go. Who knows? Who cares?

I don't.

I'm just sick of seeing that map in completely irrelevant topics when I know damn well how close this election really was by the numbers... especially for an incumbent in a time of war. Not to mention the electronic and polling discrepancies.

But when they start tallying votes by acre not actual vote, you may have something Jake!

Thanks (again) for bringing this well traveled map to our attention.