Clinton team avoided ER to conceal details of her medical treatment

a reply to: babybunnies

I'm going to hazard a guess that that was the advice given to her before she lost control of her body and had to be carried into a van?

That advice kind of seems null at that point.

a reply to: ketsuko

IME

No clue what that means. I don't speak teenage girl-talk.

when you lie and lie and lie again and get caught at it and continue to do it, no one believes you.

Ok. Don't believe her. I still don't see why this issue is any of your business.

So, yes, we can all see the video of her turning into an unresponsive meat sack and hear the explanations and not believe them because as far as we know, she's telling us about the medical excuse equivalent of those spontaneous demonstrations.

Despite your laughable hyperbole, I don't see how one has anything to do with the other. One is a matter of national security, the other a personal matter.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko

I will make a declarative statement.

Hillary may have pneumonia, but that isn't all. She is far sicker than anyone wants us to believe. She is keeping this secret from her fiends and enemies in the DNC and elsewhere.
The sharks are circling. Her "political" allies smell blood and sense her weakness.

Just an opinion mind you, but one I believe in.

I think you're right. She may have pneumonia, but i would wager that she has caught it due to a weakened immune system from another health issue.

She's already admitted to having severe memory problems to the FBI under questioning that was planned for months in advance - far enough in advance so that if anything was going to jog her memory, she would have taken those steps.

Severe memory problems, like not remembering a world-class security training session, disqualifies her right there. You don't get a pass on things like this and then get to announce you're all better now after a visit with the grandchildren and a shot of magic juice.

Also disqualifying are the unlimited supply of OTHER scandals and now the quite obvious issue with a longstanding neurological illness that she chose, with 'bad judgement' yet again, to ignore because she wanted the prize of POTUS so badly.

Trump is worse but only by mere percentage points.

A pox on both their houses.

Bring back Bernie and whoever the Rs can scrape off the bottom of the barrel. These candidates are jokes, probably on us.

originally posted by: Darkmadness
a reply to: introvert

Pneumonia is a debilitating disease that can kill people her age especially when you throw in a presidential campaign and flying all around the country giving speeches.

She does not have pneumonia stop enabling the liars.

Can you prove she does not have pneumonia?

We are on the cusp of nucler disaster, the missles are pointed at us, madam president, what should we do, we need to save the US?

Cough, cough, cough, cough, cough cough

Madam? HELLO?

originally posted by: babybunnies
Clinton had already been to the doctor on Friday, who had told her to rest. There was no need for her to go to the ER when she was so close to the home of a family member.

The ER is also not a secure area for the Secret Service.

Chelsea's apartment was nearby, was secure, and it was easy to have a doctor there to treat her in this environment.

The doctor told her to rest. She was not resting. Why? No one would have blamed her for not appearing at an event because she had a potentially contagious disease that can be life-threatening to someone her age.

Not only that, but pneumonia can turn nasty on a dime.

If she was actually physically incapable of walking (i.e. passed out) and needed to be carried into the van, then there was every reason to think she should be rushed to the hospital. For all any of her staff knew, she had gone septic from the infection and needed immediate and drastic medical attention.

If someone is suffering from septic shock, every minute, every second counts and a detour through Chelsea's could very well prove fatal.

Also, the police escort is there to provide that extra security should an ER visit be necessary.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: schuyler

She doesn't appear to be sick in the way the conspiracies have inferred.

Don't confuse the conspiracies with catching pneumonia.

What was the crap she spit into the glass?
It looked like my avatar.

Mucus? I don't know.

Does that green # in the glass prove the conspiracies, or does it prove she has had some other, less extreme issues?

originally posted by: introvert

"Do you know why there are conspiracies? Because of the lies."


We cannot forget that there are also conspiracies because some people lack logical thought processes and have to resort to extreme ideas when their ignorance has more control over their brain than...well, their brain.

Total crap. When people lie, it is to cover up something damning and *extreme*. I say this as a mother to a 25 year old, 10 year old, and 3 year old.

My 3 year old isn't savvy or 'polluted' enough to lie yet, but my 10 year old worries I have some way to record his thoughts. *wicked cackle*

My 25 year old hasn't bothered with telling me significant lies since she was 15. Not just because I can spot when she is lying and approximately discern what it means, but because I am also forgiving and understanding, too. I have told my fair share of lies -- when I thought it would keep me out of trouble.

My ten year old still believes it's the end of the world if I catch him lying.

Hillary (her campaign) lied. She knows you only resort to lying when the truth is worse than the lie, or being caught in a lie is less damning than the truth. Plus, they built in time to develop a lie. I was born on a day. Not yesterday, though.

a reply to: introvert

Ooo, big poster pulling out the ad hominem.

I see our productive discussion is done.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
We are on the cusp of nucler disaster, the missles are pointed at us, madam president, what should we do, we need to save the US?

Cough, cough, cough, cough, cough cough

Madam? HELLO?

And now we have gone full drama queen.

Pearls will be clutched.

originally posted by: babybunnies
Clinton had already been to the doctor on Friday, who had told her to rest. There was no need for her to go to the ER when she was so close to the home of a family member.

The ER is also not a secure area for the Secret Service.

Chelsea's apartment was nearby, was secure, and it was easy to have a doctor there to treat her in this environment.

Unless Chelsea's apartment is outfitted with hospital equipment, no it was not the best place to take her. Diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday according to her campaign. What if she was having a reaction to medication? What if she stopped breathing? So Chelsea's apartment has all the supplies to perform a trach, oxygen supply, monitors etc? The simple fact is they took a chance with her life.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

That does not address my post.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: introvert

Ooo, big poster pulling out the ad hominem.

I see our productive discussion is done.

Ad hom?

Not really. I don't know what that means.

originally posted by: babybunnies

originally posted by: Darkmadness
a reply to: introvert

Pneumonia is a debilitating disease that can kill people her age especially when you throw in a presidential campaign and flying all around the country giving speeches.

She does not have pneumonia stop enabling the liars.

Walking Pneumonia is very different from full blown pneumonia. You're right, she doesn't have pneumonia, she has walking pneumonia, something completely different that isn't life threatening.

I think you mean "falling" pneumonia, doncha?

Sorry, you fell right into that

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko

Despite your laughable hyperbole, I don't see how one has anything to do with the other. One is a matter of national security, the other a personal matter.

Technically both are matters of National Security... In the event that she should die during her stint in office, thats a National Security risk.

Lying presents a huge risk to security as well. But the meat of that pink elephant in the room is being sorely underplayed by you.

Hard for anyone to trust a political candidate when they never give you a strait answer. Funny how public trust is kind of a big deal for someone who aspires to be the most powerful person in the country.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: MotherMayEye

That does not address my post.

Yes it does.

The Hillary campaign lied, at first, and blamed her 'incident' on overheating. Then they said she was fine.

Later, they reported that it was pneumonia and that had been diagnosed two days before. Then they said she would have to lay low recovering for a few days.

One or both of these are lies.

The fact that lies are being told are meaningful, TO ME, in the ways I have come to understand lying.

a reply to: introvert

your just pitiful, your idiocy is the showing trying to put words in my mouth. how can you even come up with that, no where did i even come close to saying that.

your questions.

Should we extend that to congress? How about the state congress? Perhaps even those that vote for those that will represent us?

my answer,

yes we should, but especially when it's the highest office in the land involved. when someone who may be sick enough that they have to step down or die, and someone else who was not chosen by the people but by that candidate that ran for office in the first place takes their place, that there is not the people making the decision.

now where did i say that "people with health problems should not be able to vote? " i said highest office, and spoke of we the people making the decision. any person interested in a honest discussion would have seen that. and wouldn't be trying to spin it.
so you just keep on being intellectually dishonest, and putting words in peoples mouth.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Mandroid7
We are on the cusp of nucler disaster, the missles are pointed at us, madam president, what should we do, we need to save the US?

Cough, cough, cough, cough, cough cough

Madam? HELLO?

And now we have gone full drama queen.

Pearls will be clutched.

Jesus dude, does your sense of humor have pneumonia?
You should build a secret hospital for that, I hear it's totally normal now.

a reply to: AnonyMason

Technically both are matters of National Security... In the event that she should die during her stint in office, thats a National Security risk.

How? There are protocols in place to refer to in such an incident.

Lying presents a huge risk to security as well. But the meat of that pink elephant in the room is being sorely underplayed by you.

I'm addressing the health aspect.