Originally posted by mwen
WHAT the MIND-CONTROL PROGRAMMERS USE to MANIPULATE memory.

Scopolamine was found to impair short-term memory. It was discovered that retrograde amnesia could be created by electroshock several hours after the brain had learned something. This lesson caused the Illuminati and those working in mind control with them to use cattle prods and stun guns...

I have a question for you: where does the Illuminati keep these people that it controls with drugs and cattle prods? Where did you get your evidence of these things going on. Will you please share it with us?

Seriously, are there just big farms where people are drugged and experimented on by bankers, jews and other 33rd degree masons? I'd love to see some pictures.

What other purposes are there for an un-secret secret society from Bavaria to control people's minds?

I have a question for you: where does the Illuminati keep these people that it controls with drugs and cattle prods? Where did you get your evidence of these things going on. Will you please share it with us?

Sebat, have you seen the movie, 'Telefon' with Charles Bronson? If not, go watch it. It is not necessary to keep mind controlled people anywhere. I'm assuming you are educated regarding hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestion if you're posting to this thread, right?

If someone is mind-controlled, they live a normal life until they are triggered. They don't need to be "kept" anywhere unless they are used for sex slavery. You've read up on the child-sex slavery issue and the cases currently being tried in Europe, right? The cases where little girls are kidnapped and kept in cages? You aren't mocking their torture, are you?

I would hope that you're not just being facetious because this is a serious subject. Reductio Ad Absurdum does not change the severity of child-torture.



[edit on 6-3-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Sebat, have you seen the movie, 'Telefon' with Charles Bronson? If not, go watch it. It is not necessary to keep mind controlled people anywhere. I'm assuming you are educated regarding hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestion if you're posting to this thread, right?

If someone is mind-controlled, they live a normal life until they are triggered. They don't need to be "kept" anywhere unless they are used for sex slavery. You've read up on the child-sex slavery issue and the cases currently being tried in Europe, right? The cases where little girls are kidnapped and kept in cages? You aren't mocking their torture, are you?

I would hope that you're not just being facetious because this is a serious subject. Reductio Ad Absurdum does not change the severity of child-torture.

I am indeed being facetious. I think it's ridiculous that anyone would think that a mysterious group of wealthy puppeteers secretly controlling daily life from behind a curtain could actually exist without ever having seen the tiniest amount of conclusive evidence. It's all rumor and heresay, yet as long as it's published in a book or on TV, hell it must be true! It makes so much sense!

It's even funnier to me that anyone would think that this group is the least secret of all secret societies that died out a long time ago but has a very mysterious name. It's like you guys WANT to believe this stuff, even though it makes no sense whatsoever! Like looking at clouds and seeing what you want to see.

And every chance you guys get to make some sort of random connection on something that's random coincidence, like the aphabetical position of the letters in GW Bush's name, added up and divided by 13 is equal to 18 which is 6+6+6, it's "Ha! There it is! It's proof that 'they' exist! And they're SATANIC!"

Don't get me wrong, there's conspiracies out there that are very real, but they are short lived and involve very few people. If the Illuminati was real, everyone would know about them by now. Do you guys really think that you are the only ones astute enough to figure all this out?


Right, I know. I'm either blind and close-minded, or I must be one of 'them'.


[edit on 6-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

Who gains from exposing this kind of thing?

You get ridiculed, mocked, people say there is NO evidence, or suggestion of evidence.

I mean, who in their right mind WANTS to research how many kids went missing last year, and how many have NOT turned up?

Why would you? For this 'proof'? All you would have is a missing persons case, and questions as to how so many kids could go missing.

Mind Control is not a joke in the slightest, so why must Sebatwerk make it sound like it is ludicrous, having no benefit, and without any suggestion that it can even be done to a person.

Well, Sebatwerk, when you realize how important an amnesiac message carrier, dope courier, sex slave is... Then maybe we can start to show you what is out there.

But if you believe no one has motivations, means, or the malice to do so, you are quite mistaken.

Tell me, when a magician puts a spell on you, what happens? Hmm, well you don't remember... And then whatever was supposed to happen MAGICKALLY happens. Cool huh?

Originally posted by akilles
Who gains from exposing this kind of thing?

You get ridiculed, mocked, people say there is NO evidence, or suggestion of evidence.

I mean, who in their right mind WANTS to research how many kids went missing last year, and how many have NOT turned up?

Why would you? For this 'proof'? All you would have is a missing persons case, and questions as to how so many kids could go missing.

Mind Control is not a joke in the slightest, so why must Sebatwerk make it sound like it is ludicrous, having no benefit, and without any suggestion that it can even be done to a person.

Well, Sebatwerk, when you realize how important an amnesiac message carrier, dope courier, sex slave is... Then maybe we can start to show you what is out there.

But if you believe no one has motivations, means, or the malice to do so, you are quite mistaken.

All I said was that it's ridiculous to blame a Bavarian political society that ended a long time ago, and of which who's existance none of you guys have the least bit of evidence.

Consiracy is real, child slavery is real, etc. etc. But it's not all one huge part of an international satanic conspiracy to control all people and form a one-world government.

Tell me, when a magician puts a spell on you, what happens? Hmm, well you don't remember... And then whatever was supposed to happen MAGICKALLY happens. Cool huh?

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. have you ever been to a magic show?

I must be one of 'them'

No, you don't need to be one of them, you just need to run interference for them.

So you don't think that these child-sex rings are maintained for elite and powerful customers, is that right? They're just a few disconnected random folks who happend to cage kids and shuttle them around the globe?

Be careful which side you take because although (as has been mentioned in this thread) Springmeyer's credibility is dubious, there are excellent points in his books.

I notice you didn't respond regarding post-hypnotic suggestion. Do you have any thoughts about how long post-hypnotic suggestion can be made to endure or at what age it is best to begin programming a person hypnotically? I am curious to hear you expound upon the issue of long-term hypnosis since you are obviously the expert and we're all idiots.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
I notice you didn't respond regarding post-hypnotic suggestion. Do you have any thoughts about how long post-hypnotic suggestion can be made to endure or at what age it is best to begin programming a person hypnotically? I am curious to hear you expound upon the issue of long-term hypnosis since you are obviously the expert and we're all idiots.

If you were less sarcastic and more observant, you'd notice that the basis of my argument was at no time hypnosis or anything related, and I never claimed to be remotely interested in the subject. I am talking about WHO is (not) doing these things, and for what PURPOSE. Keep your sarcasm to yourself, smart guy.

All Benzodiazapines do not "relax and put you to sleep" maybe Valium does but its only one of several thousand and Rohipnol certainly doesn't, it turns you into a blabbering idot that can be led around and pretty much made to do anything someone wants you to.
In very large doses in combination with other drugs or alcohol it also causes memory loss.

Please notice the way you have gone from saying these drugs are completely harmless like "Junior Disprin" to "people OD on them all the time" and your grandmother is an addict.

I must admit it is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel though - unless you have had reason to look into this yourself like I did then you would have no idea what these things were.
I bought several medical text books and spent a lot of hours in the National Library trying to specifically identify the exact drugs I was doped up with.
Benzodiazapines is a VERY large group, but not one that your GP will subsribe to you unless you insist on it.
People have forgotten the Valium housewives from the 70s and early 80s, suburban mums who couldn't even remember their children's names brecause they were so zonked out.
They are also largely non-lethal in overdose which is the reason they were so readily subscribed when they first appeared.

Sebatwerk, we have shown its been going on for a long ass time (on some level for thousands of years), that it has been hidden knowledge, and all you say is, we don't know for sure who has this knowledge, and who uses it, again on WHO.

You're right, we don't (know all victims and perpetrators). But just because you don't think it is a trail of evidence (the existence of this knowledge for a long time, the people who have studied it in recent times...) does NOT mean it shouldn't be followed up on.

People will try to say conditioning is just conditioning. It happens to everyone to the same degree. If only this was the ENTIRE truth.

The truth is, any one who has been in a car accident could likely have been subected to programming.

I am talking about WHO is (not) doing these things, and for what PURPOSE.

The purpose is clear: Sex-slavery and control over others. Is that a mystery to you? Do you not see that some people want to control other humans?

As for the WHO, you're not exactly helping find them, are you? By your admitted facetiousness (and your own sarcasm) you're contributing to a world in which the WHO will never be found. Is that your goal? To continue a world where children get tortured and caged? That's why I am asking you to contribute something to the thread. If you don't, then you're on the side of those who try to obfuscate the issue.

"Conspiracy of Silence" should be required viewing.

When I couldn't find it on my computer again you damn straight I didn't blame myself . Whoops...

Any one know where we could roll the footage for these parsifals?

Originally posted by MrNECROS
All Benzodiazapines do not "relax and put you to sleep" maybe Valium does but its only one of several thousand and Rohipnol certainly doesn't, it turns you into a blabbering idot that can be led around and pretty much made to do anything someone wants you to.
In very large doses in combination with other drugs or alcohol it also causes memory loss.

ALL benzos cause memory loss (blackouts) in higher doses, just like booze. And Rohypnol turns you into an idiot because you are heavily SEDATED.

Please notice the way you have gone from saying these drugs are completely harmless like "Junior Disprin" to "people OD on them all the time" and your grandmother is an addict.

I never said they were harmless, I said they are not used for what you claim they are. Medicinally, they are used for very harmless purposes.

I must admit it is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel though - unless you have had reason to look into this yourself like I did then you would have no idea what these things were.

I used to have a prescription for Klonopin (clonazepam) for almost two years (I still do actually, I just dont take them). I never put anything into my body without knowing what it does. believe me, I had reason to research this.

I bought several medical text books and spent a lot of hours in the National Library trying to specifically identify the exact drugs I was doped up with.
Benzodiazapines is a VERY large group, but not one that your GP will subsribe to you unless you insist on it.

It IS a very large group of SIMILAR drugs!! Do you understand that in order for a drug to be in the same family, it needs to have the same chemical composition, thereby producing similar effects in the human body. The only thing that changes between these drugs are the method of absorption in the human body (fatty tissue versus carried through blood), the dosages, and the side effects. Everything else must be the same in order to be in the same family.

People have forgotten the Valium housewives from the 70s and early 80s, suburban mums who couldn't even remember their children's names brecause they were so zonked out.

Zonked out = SEDATED!!!!

They are also largely non-lethal in overdose which is the reason they were so readily subscribed when they first appeared.

Respiratory arrest sounds pretty lethal to me. Did you see the list I provided above? They were originally popular because doctors thought they were a safe alternative to barbiturates. Look it up. The threat of overdose has always been well known, especially when benzos are mixed with other sedatives such as alcohol and opiates.

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Rohipnol certainly doesn't, it turns you into a blabbering idiot that can be led around and pretty much made to do anything someone wants you to.

Yup. And you're living proof.
Maybe you should ask your psychiatrist to change your dosage.


By the way Necros. Which "National Library" would it be that you refer to? You've lived in so many countries, for all we know it could be the National Library of Malawi.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
I don't know your opinion of these horrible acts but you certainly aren't helping with this thread. As long as baby-rapers have shills on their side who stand up and say, "What conspiracy?", you can rest assured that they will never be exposed.

Is that your goal? To ensure they don't get exposed? I am curious.

Why don't you scroll back up and read what I've been saying all along. I never said there weren't any conspiracies of this kind (on the contrary, I admitted there were). All I said was that they cannot all be attrributed to the same "New World Order" or "Illuminati" bogus organizations.

Like I said before, conspiracies are usually short lived and involve as few people as possible. Therefore, claiming that the Illuminati is in charge of baby raping sects and one-world governments and also world banks and also human slave trafficking, etc. etc. etc. is just a pile of crap.

Exposing conspiracies and wrong-doings is justified and honorable work, but don't go barking up the wrong tree, especially when you have no conclusive evidence that the tree even exists.

Do you understand now?


[edit on 7-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

Do you understand now?

No, I still don't understand why you're posting to this thread.

When a discussion is opened about books that describe methods for torturing children, I tend to view those who barge in and try to discredit that discussion as having an ulterior motive. Is that odd for me to think that way?

As I have said, if Springmeyer is right with 50% of this, then it respresents the worst thing on earth.

Essentially, you are saying, "Hey people, don't bother talking about this because it's all conspiratorial nonsense!" Yet you do not say anything about the kids who are trafficked and used. Actually, if you cared about those voiceless kids, you'd remain silent and let this discussion proceed. Let me put this another way: On one side of this thread, we have some individuals who'd like to research and discuss the issue of mind-control and child-torture. You are not on that side, so what side are you on? Who are you defending?



[edit on 7-3-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Do you understand now?

No, I still don't understand why you're posting to this thread.

When a discussion is opened about books that describe methods for torturing children, I tend to view those who barge in and try to discredit that discussion as having an ulterior motive. Is that odd for me to think that way?

As I have said, if Springmeyer is right with 50% of this, then it respresents the worst thing on earth.

Essentially, you are saying, "Hey people, don't bother talking about this because it's all conspiratorial nonsense!" Yet you do not say anything about the kids who are trafficked and used. Actually, if you cared about those voiceless kids, you'd remain silent and let this discussion proceed. Let me put this another way: On one side of this thread, we have some individuals who'd like to research and discuss the issue of mind-control and child-torture. You are not on that side, so what side are you on? Who are you defending?



[edit on 7-3-2005 by smallpeeps]

All the man is saying smallpeeps is that not everything can be blamed on the "Illuminati".

[edit on 7-3-2005 by Born]

[edit on 7-3-2005 by Born]

Originally posted by smallpeeps
No, I still don't understand why you're posting to this thread.

When a discussion is opened about books that describe methods for torturing children, I tend to view those who barge in and try to discredit that discussion as having an ulterior motive. Is that odd for me to think that way?

As I have said, if Springmeyer is right with 50% of this, then it respresents the worst thing on earth.

Essentially, you are saying, "Hey people, don't bother talking about this because it's all conspiratorial nonsense!" Yet you do not say anything about the kids who are trafficked and used. Actually, if you cared about those voiceless kids, you'd remain silent and let this discussion proceed. Let me put this another way: On one side of this thread, we have some individuals who'd like to research and discuss the issue of mind-control and child-torture. You are not on that side, so what side are you on? Who are you defending?

I'm posting to this thread because it's about the Illuminati! And my posts are about them! Look at the topic, genius!

You have got to be the thickest person on this forum. What the hell are you talking about!?!? You have completely misquoted me and misinterpreted everything I've said. You've even just made things up and put words into my mouth. Can you please stop doing that? Apparently everyone else got what I'm saying BUT YOU, so as far as I'm concerned, I owe you no further explanation. Figure it out for yourself.


[edit on 7-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

All the man is saying smallpeeps is that it not everything can be blamed on the "Illuminati".

Why are you concerned if the Illuminati gets blamed? If they are so powerful then can't they defend themselves?

Furthermore, if they exist, why don't they work to stop this heinous crap? If they're so powerful and they DO NOT work to stop this crap attributed to them, then they are complicit, along with the shills who defend them.

I do not necessarily believe in the Illuminati as such, but there are powerful people who like to use kids for sex and also turn them into human assets when they get older. THIS is the key to the problem. Anybody who trys to sidetrack the issue of child-torture into a discussion about the "Poor Old Illuminati" is probably not really concerned about dead/tortured kids otherwise why wouldn't they let the discussion continue minus their wasteful input?

In case you are totally unaware, this particular thread represents a topic that lots of people would like not to be discussed. As a result, ANYBODY who trys to sidetrack this discussion is complicit in the coverup, from my point of view.