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The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave

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posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk
If it can be dicussed anywhere, it's here on ATS. What is MPD/SRA?


According to Fritz



...Multiple Personality/Multiple personalities or MPD Dissociative Identity Disorder or DID is the situation where different dissociative parts of a single brain view themselves as separate persons. The DSM-IIIR definition of MPD is the guideline for determining MPD for this book.
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Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA)--This is used to represent all categories of ritual abuse which would be inspired by the desire to rob, kill, or destroy something worthwhile in a person, especially their freedom of thought. Many groups carrying out SRA do not mention Satan by that name. They may make Pacts to Baphomet, and call upon Rex Mundi, or Belair, or Lucifer, or the Father of Light, God, or Kali or even "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" (there are demons which call themselves "Jesus", who are not to be confused with Yeshua or Yehoshua ben Joseph who is known as Jesus Christ of Nazareth.) SRA is not a value judgement by the authors against some group, the victims themselves on some level know that he or she is being abused.

Switching--This is when one part (fragment) of the mind takes over from another, or in simple terms, this is when one alter personality (or alter fragment) takes the body from the alter which is holding the body. Switching can occur via the Programmers codes for calling up alters, or by external or internal stimuli that trigger an alter to come out. Switching will usually cause at least a flicker of the eyes, and for outside observers, who know the different personalities, they will observe another personality take the body.


hope this help...!
www.whale.to...

I think the word Satanic in (SRA) can be somewhat misleading...there may be different naming for that...depending on a person's viewpoint...

If a person is religious he/she will see it differently...than someone else who is not religious but rather spiritual...




posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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I have got a question:

Is it possible that we are by default have MPD or better yet...MPO - Multiple Personality Orderly.

PS.
I made up the words for MPO...


Like when a white light passes through a prism and breaks down into at least 7 different colors...

Our soul personality, when entering physical reality, splits into three level of Consciousness...



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by mwen

Is it possible that we are by default have MPD or better yet...MPO - Multiple Personality Orderly.


I believe MPD is a potential in everyone.........I believe the point of this thread is that, because of trauma, anyone can be controlled into MPD...........



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 10:06 PM
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I can't access the main link anymore.....the whale site.........

whenever I try to access the site, I get an

Http 403(forbidden)
You are not authorized to view this page
You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.

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Does this happen for anyone else?



posted on Mar, 29 2005 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by MemoryShock
I can't access the main link anymore.....the whale site.........

whenever I try to access the site, I get an

Http 403(forbidden)
You are not authorized to view this page
You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Does this happen for anyone else?



Maybe this LINK will help.



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 07:40 AM
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thanks, shadow........but it is interesting that the whale link is now dyfunct.....



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 12:06 AM
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I think that the (Powers to be) got to the person who provide the links...

This kind of hint that Fritz material may contain some Truths or be too Truthful?

Thanks for the other links...But at the same time, that may not be a good thing to provide the other link. I got a feeling it will be shutdown as well....

The only thing that is safe right now is the actual Hardcopy Book...

[edit on 3-4-2005 by mwen]



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by MemoryShock
I can't access the main link anymore.....the whale site.........

whenever I try to access the site, I get an

Http 403(forbidden)
You are not authorized to view this page
You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Does this happen for anyone else?


The link is back online... Now I just hope the content retain it's integrity!



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 08:19 PM
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HHmmmm..........Wonder why it did that............thanks mwen.


gl2

posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 06:49 PM
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I did graduate study in history. There ARE conspiracies. There always have been. The disinformation specialists and the too-cute-to-talk snuggle muffins of elite economy throw out "conspiracy theory" charges freely. Ever heard of the mafia, royalty, the drug cartels, assassinations, the CIA, Operation Monarch (narco dealing in gov't), or the Monarch project?

Cults exist and are busted at regular intervals. Their conditioning is so bizarre and different from the norm that it will seem unbelievable. Don't confuse excess Illuminati theories with the more cogent, analytical discussions that document and rely on mass-distributed news stories and studies (not to assert that a classist, money-making cabal doesn't exist--it does, and, in past history, there have been elite cult doings). For an example of what cult conditioning is like, read the following, written by a woman who was a cult programmer (she's embarrassed to tell what she did). Personally I doubt that she just made all of the following up. www.ritualabuse.net...

The CIA did have an MKULTRA program, an Operation Paperclip. Alex Coburn's book Whiteout tells how Klaus Barbie, the Nazi mass murderer, was spirited out of Germany by the CIA to do their dirty work in South America--Bolivia. Barbie did the highest level security for the Banzer regime, which trebled the production of coca, just in time for the cartels to form up in the 70's. Ever heard of Operation Watchtower (George Bush Sr.)? Ever notice how he leveled dozens of apartment buildings, killing hundreds, if not thousands of innocent Panamanians, to get Panamanian president Manuel Noriega--for supposedly trafficking narcotics? Bush then installed known drug traffickers to head the Panamanian government. Noriega had been a Bush-CIA agent involved in narcotics for years and he was spilling the beans about Bush, just when those many people were killed to silence Noriega. This is mainstream history, folks, not fringe conspiracy theory.

Read Welcome to Terror Land, by Daniel Hopsicker, for info about Bush Jr's coverup of official narco dealings surrounding the 9-11 hijackers. It's a good, enjoyable but scary read. Bush is terribly corrupt. Gore Vidal says he's dyslexic, that dyslexics have trouble thinking because they don't read effectively. Or is Bush Jr. also a conditioned operative? "Weapons of mass destruction" "Weapons of mass destruction..."

Read this article by Tom Flocco on the D.C. sex slaves and goverment blackmail: tomflocco.com...



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 07:02 PM
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You have voted gl2 for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Superb post gl2. Feel free to keep educating us.



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by gl2
Personally I doubt that she just made all of the following up. www.ritualabuse.net...


have you actually read those articles!?!? They are absurd. I'd love to see ANY evidence this person has to prove the existance of said "Illuminati" and all the things she claimed about them. Please...



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by mwen

This kind of hint that Fritz material may contain some Truths or be too Truthful?



I will say this about Fritz Springmeiers book - some of it Appears to be true. Not all of it is.

HowEVER there is a glaring strangeness about something in this book.

In one of the Chapters there is drawing of a System that he renamed "Solemetrics" - Chapter 7, I think?

Such a word does not exist.

Fritz claimed he drew that picture.

That is a complete lie - for it is one I drew myself by hand of my own system years ago while in recovery.

I published that picture in a Newsletter I once ran called Sacred Fire. It existed in 1991-1993 as a part of C.S.R.A.

I used that picture both in my Newsletter and in the seminars and inservices(as a tranparency) I did for the mental health, medical, Christian and law enforcement communities.

He didn't even bother to trace it or do anything at all except remove my copyright info before adding it to his book and claiming he drew it himself.

Nor did he include the information that the system is actually a three dimensional model and has depth and Rotational properties.

He mentioned Denny Hilgers someplace in the book too I think - Denny Hilgers attended one of my seminars and had that info so it is Possible that Fritz got his info from that source. (This is of course pure conjecture on my part - for I gave that newsletter freely to anyone who could use it to help. My actual paid subscription level was only about 60 but I frequently copied and gave it to anyone who was trying to help others.)

Who knows?

One of the points I am trying to make here is this - mixing truth with lies is a Very Old technique of Deception.

Aside from the fact of such a Stupid Violation of ethics this action begs the age old question of "Why?"

Since he lied about something like this - how much else in his book is either Fabricated or outright Stolen from someone else? Who in the world would DO such a thing?

Using "Codes" to try to help someone who is actually programmed with such methods when the Codes are not correct can be Very Very dangerous.

Using "Codes" to supposedly "Help" someone sounds more like "Reprogramming Techniques 101"

Reality is that such Programming CAN BE broken fairly easily - first by Recognition since the Success of all that type of mind control rest Mostly on the "Controlled" persons lack of awareness or complete denial that it exists. Then by figuring out what action it takes to render the hypno induced programming Void. Though the actual usage of symbols and technique does Not vary much - the Recovery from it is unique to each person.

Here follows an Observation - NOT an accusation for I never met Fritz or Cisco - never heard of them, in fact, back when I was involved in helping others and educating professionals.

Their lives as discussed in the books and in the most recents postings about his incarceration follow a Pattern of "Drama" that is common to many folks who have themselves been trained by someone utilizing mind-control techniques.

The books offer plenty of "Diagnostic" information but Very Little REAL info that would be helpul to a person trying to recover from this type of abuse.

So, that is my Two Cents -

Peace,
psiflier



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 10:56 AM
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I am always glad to see this thread get attention.

Sebatwerk: Would you like us to stop discussing this subject? What is the point of your post? Does it hurt your feelings when the Illuminati get dissed? Maybe you are motivated by concern that we're wasting our time? Please tell us your personal feelings about the thousands of children who are tortured and raped each year. Were trying to figure out what's going on with those kids. Do you have anything to contribute regarding them?

gl2: Nice post. 'Whiteout' is not one I've read. I'll have to look into it. Post more man, because you are awesome.

psi: I do agree with you in that there is much too much diagnosis in Fritz's book. From my limited experience with SRA/DID I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis. It is very dangerous to go mucking around inside these people's minds. One time, I met a generationally-abused cult victim and while I was asking her about the abuse, she suddenly started weeping and grabbing her abdomen. She was having sympathetic pains for her son, who was being held by her family, who had farmed her out as an elite sex-slave and then tossed her out when she got older. They hold the kid hostage against her. She said, "Please don't ask me anymore!" and so I didn't. Fortunately she has since taken her son and is living happily, away from her family's control.

Tell us more about your organization and the drawing that was stolen. I saw this drawing in the videos that are mentioned in this thread (I think it's this thread). Fritz really does look like he is mind-controlled himself. As with some of these kids, scarring of the brain stem might be what gives him such great recall/memory skills. His speaking skills are almost child-like though. Very odd.


[edit on 4-5-2005 by smallpeeps]



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
Sebatwerk: Would you like us to stop discussing this subject? What is the point of your post? Does it hurt your feelings when the Illuminati get dissed? Maybe you are motivated by concern that we're wasting our time? Please tell us your personal feelings about the thousands of children who are tortured and raped each year. Were trying to figure out what's going on with those kids. Do you have anything to contribute regarding them?


I just dont think it's believable. I think that bad theories such as these distract people from the REAL conspiracies, and the REAL crimes that are occurring. Instead, you guys focus your attention on fantastic stories that are hardly believable, and for which there is no evidence whatsoever. All the while, the real conspiracies, which are very well known and for which there is much evidence and by which people have been victimized for years, are laughing all the way to the bank.



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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I think that bad theories such as these distract people from the REAL conspiracies, and the REAL crimes that are occurring.

So then I was right; You care about us wasting our time on this silliness. Thanks for your concern.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the video, "Conspiracy of Silence". Have you seen it? Do you think that teenage girl should have been sent to jail? Do you think those kids are lying about being raped, burned and abused at the hands of powerful men?

What "real" conspiracies are more important than the one that involves kids being used as disposable objects?



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the video, "Conspiracy of Silence". Have you seen it? Do you think that teenage girl should have been sent to jail? Do you think those kids are lying about being raped, burned and abused at the hands of powerful men?


I have not seen the video, but my first impression would be that yes, those kids are lying. Think about this: why would a supposedly powerful person, such as a politician, risk his entire life, money, career and power to do things that would make most people cringe? Do you not think that there would be people involved with this that would look upon it as sick and wrong, and would blow the lid off the whole thing? It just doesn't make sense, that is why I feel comfortable in assuming that it's not real.



What "real" conspiracies are more important than the one that involves kids being used as disposable objects?


You serious? For starters, how about the consipracies whose existance can be proven? Such as crooked politicians and interest groups, healthcare scams against the elderly, welfare abuse, shady accounting by public crporations, insider trading, bad foreign policy and political backscratching, the UN Oil-for-food program, Eastern European sex slaves, North Korean human rights atrocities, etc. etc. etc.

Seriously dude, we have enough legitimate things to deal with. We don't need to get distracted by bad assumptions and unprovable theories that make no sense.



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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I have not seen the video, but my first impression would be that yes, those kids are lying.

Wow. The ease with which you dismiss something you know nothing about is impressive. I wish I was that sure about the world. I suggest you go watch the video since that would show that you actually give a crap about the issue. You can download it off any file sharing service or buy it from Ted Gunderson's web site.

Is it okay with you if us dopes continue to discuss this issue or do you plan to disaffect that process with your uninformed comments?



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps

I have not seen the video, but my first impression would be that yes, those kids are lying.

Wow. The ease with which you dismiss something you know nothing about is impressive. I wish I was that sure about the world. I suggest you go watch the video since that would show that you actually give a crap about the issue. You can download it off any file sharing service or buy it from Ted Gunderson's web site.

Is it okay with you if us dopes continue to discuss this issue or do you plan to disaffect that process with your uninformed comments?


My comments have nothing to do with being informed or not. I never said those things did not happen, I never stated anything as fact. I simply said that the whole thing sounds unlikely, unprobable and it makes no sense whatsoever that anyone would do something like that. I'm sorry you take such an offense to that, but MOST conspiracy theories are WAY too ludicrous to be taken seriously. I don't waste my time with things like that.

You can talk about anything you want. But if it sounds absurd, or if you have no evidence to back up your claims, I will call you on it.



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 05:31 PM
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if it sounds absurd, or if you have no evidence to back up your claims, I will call you on it.

Yes, but you said your motivation was that we poor sods were wasting our time discussing it. Why do you feel the need to "call us" on anything whatsoever, particularly if your concern is simply our time-wasting here on this thread.

How are we supposed to provide proof? Should we roll out some child corpses for you? Provide another film like "Conspiracy of Silence" that you can't be bothered to watch?

Aren't there other threads that are bigger time-wasters, Sebat? Why not spend your time on one of the John titor threads. Those people NEED your help.



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