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originally posted by: Informer1958
"Study concludes explosives used on 911'
Some in here demonstrate believing we cannot hear the explosions as millions of tons of debris was coming down, perhaps drowning out many explosions at the same time in my "opinion".
Because there is no evidence during the cleanup process, why is that? Because the fact is, no one was looking for it.
Another fact is NIST dismissed demolition from the very beginning, making the outlandish claims that there were no eyewitness or evidence to support such a claim.
The fact is the NIST Report was based on political science and not on real science, that is why it cannot ever be Peer Reviewed.
On the contrary, the videos in question do prove evidences of demolition. Another fact is only outside experts that have no political ties to US government are the only ones qualified to do a truthful investigation into the WTC demize.
From NIST
AT: www.nist.gov...
14. How did NIST derive the temperatures in the WTC towers and how valid are they?
Using all the visual and physical evidence available, NIST conducted simulations of the fires in each of the towers from the time of airplane impact to the collapses. The computational model used to simulate the fires was NIST's Fire Dynamics Simulator (FDS). This model had been validated in numerous experiments and fire recreations prior to the NIST WTC investigation. Additional large-scale experiments conducted during the investigation (NIST NCSTAR 1-5) provided further assurance of the validity of the model output. This output was in the form of maps of the air temperatures on each of the floors over the duration of the fires (shown in NIST NCSTAR 1-5F).
In a following set of computations, the evolving temperatures of the concrete and steel structural components of the towers were calculated by exposing them to the mapped air temperatures (shown in NIST NCSTAR 1-5G).
Both sets of computations are based on the fundamental laws of combustion, heat transfer, and air flow. The methods have been documented extensively and have been successfully subjected to technical peer review and published in professional journals.
From: tf.nist.gov...
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This has been talked at length and debunked by persons at ATS. Actual links to videos of law enforce hand searching WTC debris for personal effects, remains, and evidence has been provided in the past.
Eight: The debris at the WTC site was examined by several different categories of experts and segregate by size a material.
Nine: Sites like Fresh Kills held facilities for hand searching WTC debris. About 19,000 human remains recovered. About 6,000 human remains could fit in a test tube.
Ten: 19,000 remains recovered. No remains contain pieces of shrapnel worked on by explosives.
Eleven: Hand searching debris yielded no fragments of charges, blasting caps, igniters, nor remote detonators.
Twelve:. Speculation is not evidence. List examples.
Fourteen: Your facts are just rants.
Fifteen: The movement claims the towers look just like a classic controlled demolition. What demolition of a 110 floor build has ever taken place from the top down using incendiaries?
Sixteen: ( In the context of lateral ejection of columns. In the context of persons in proximity to witness explosions.) No shrapnel worked on by explosives rained out of the towers. No shrapnel worked on by explosives recovered from surviving victims nor surrounding buildings.
originally posted by: Informer1958
The fact is, the NIST Report has already been proven to be pseudoscience years ago and was done to support a political agenda. Case closed.
I am sorry that you can only rant against the fact dedicated experts as in fighters, fire investigators, law enforcement, law enforcement bomb squads, engineers, medical personnel, and autopsy doctors upon examination and sampling could not find steel worked on by explosives, recover shrapnel worked on by explosives, shape charges fragments, blasting caps fragments, remote detonators, ignition systems, not drilled holes in columns indicative of attaching demolition charges.
(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue... The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”
January 14, 2008 – Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically.
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: neutronflux
You've avoided the facts like a dirty dog avoids soapwater, let's try something new now.
(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue... The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”
The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
Probably the 'lost' GIANT KILLER tapes he was referring to.
And our infowarriors may like this one:
January 14, 2008 – Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically.
Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11
Have some fun with that and thanks for bumping the topic, it's an awesome read by now.