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Too little, too late? Or could it actually work?

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posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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Firstly, this is probably the wrong forum but i couldn't find a better one.

I have had an idea for a while now.
To start up a website with an interactive globe, with chats for each level of community from global to continental all the way down to like neighborhoods and #.

People'd be free to create a new chat room at the lower levels, but there's not really a need for multiple global discussions, well unless you want to have one for each of the biggest topics but details.

Basically, the idea is to create a single place where the citizens of thebworld could come to communicate and cooperate with others to identify problems, come up with favorable solutions and then enact those solutions

See, I have this dream where government is, instead of being something to be feared or reviled, is instead something you do for a couple hours a day.

Now, I'm sure you're familiar with specialisation? That is, the process of becoming better at something the more you do it? And I'm sure you're aware of how you and I have our different inherent strengths and weakness'. Well, while everybody who had ties in a particular problem, say for instance, aliens are demanding earths total surrender. Everybody would be able to weigh in. However, by merit of logic reasoning and Truth some peoples say is just gonna weigh more.
The idea is, though. That it doesn't stop there. Now, this solution could be, say, to find out if the aliens were hydrophobic or not.
Well,now, anybody can use that idea and come up with a more viable one. Abduct an alien somehow, analyze it's computational makeup, andformulate a bioweapon to specifically target the aliens.

See, ingenuity and inanity are tied together like light and dark. They come from outside the self, and we become aware of them. We can make use of day and ingenuity, so far as we can recognize its potential capacity correctly.

So an 8 yr old child might be the one yo come up with the right lie to convince an alien to come outside...

Specialization comes in when it comes time to carry out the plan. Simply ask, 'who can do it best?'

The hardest thing required is to get the required spirit of communication, of humility, compassion, love etc... Which is why it needs a spiritual revolution to start and keep it going...
Hence why Thoreau said 'the only government people shall have, when they are ready for it, isno government at all.

The great thing is, anybody can specialize in literally anything.
Given enough time and effort, we can accomplish literally Everything. Including nothing, death etc.




posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 01:10 PM
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You honestly think a worldwide forum is the solution to any problem at all? Just look at ATS. Lots of bickering. No solutions.



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior

You'll need to blow up all the banks first
They control everything. Until then, nothing will really change on this planet.



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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Yes, I really do. I didn't say it would be easily accomplished...
Moderation would have to be pretty heavy, anybody drvolving inyo bickering or fighting eithout trying to come to a rrsolution pretty much.

Im just one man. I truly believe, if we can get all (heck, even half!) of humanity united to splve our problems? There aint nothing stopping us.

a reply to: schuyler



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior

Reminds me of a thought I had when I was a kid, in which every person on the planet was given a controller with two buttons (Yes & No), and important, deciding questions would flash along a giant billboard in the sky and every human would have a vote on it.

I think your idea and mine suffer the same problem though. It would be too easy to subvert.

Mine would be rigged. Yours would likely be infiltrated by interest groups, and a new type of well funded faux celebrity would appear who's opinion spreads like a meme and sways many others.



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 02:36 PM
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This would only work if we were under a OWG.



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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What i am ptoposing would BE that OWG of which you speak. Government, by the people for the people. If this cpuld actually be pulled off, it would eliminate any barriers between the will if thw people and the carrying out of that will.

For, as we all know, the biggeat problem this faces us that, heretofor, humans have shoqn a saddenning trend tiwards violence. This is not accidental( ill have another thread on this but) tptb have fliided the channel of ideas with violencre, greed, paranoia, etc, using memes.

Which is why in the OP i point out that for this to work, its people would have ti be willing to try, and keep trying despite failure, to work together.

I think that in The Forum, people who werent directly involved could offer constructive criticiam from the sidelines in a comments thread, because the nost basic principle this relies on, are that two heads are better than one. I might not be able to settle my score with a friend, but out of 7 billiin people i shouls think somebody could help us out.

Its the crowdsourcing platform of the future, where pepple would communicate peaceably with others in the world, so that with the combined might if the entire human race brhind Love and Truth, we can conquer anything!
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posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior

A website would not overthrow government though. There is far too much inequity in the world for a OWG to work right now.
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posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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Yours wouldnt get rigged, if everybody on the world participatwd in formulating the questions, polling the results and carrying out the solutions directly in a joint effort... Which is exactly whay i am proposing.

Well, everybody interested would be able to join, and there wouldnt be any way to register as a group of people... 1 spot for every dingle person that wants one...

As per celebrities well thats why thoroau talks about the people's readiness... If people still rely on others for happiness, validation, security and comfort they Are Not Ready...

Now there would be 'celebrities in the sense that there are people who are right more often then not... But if the people were ready for this thing then they wouldn't put blind faith into anybody or anything... Everybody would checkouy the facts for thenselves, so everubody would take care thay the facts were well maintained...u a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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And why not? As long as you see government as something that is done by a select group of pepl, for the popukace as a whole, then of course inequity will prevent a OWG.

What you fail to realize is, if the citizens of the world get tigether via a website to sokve the worlds problems(which includes, bte, inequity) directly without need of a seperate body called government to tell them what yhe problems are, for the people have communicated their problems.

They wont need govwrnment to tell them what is gonna be done about it, or for government to actually DO anthing about it, for the people will communicate on how to solve those problems, and the people will solve it directly!

Government wony be needed to collect money, for if the people have decided on an answer, and are going to carry it out, yhey know what they need to buy.

In fact, this would make money obsolete. For, if the people are jelping the people, then since everybody pours what they earn into helping everybofy, eventually people will realize money just gets in the way.

This idea has the potential to make government, money, poverty, hate, greed obsolete.

Thing is, is the potential is equal to the degree with which people will actually utilize it.reply to: OccamsRazor04



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: LucidWarrior
Yes, I really do. I didn't say it would be easily accomplished...
Moderation would have to be pretty heavy, anybody drvolving inyo bickering or fighting eithout trying to come to a rrsolution pretty much.

Im just one man. I truly believe, if we can get all (heck, even half!) of humanity united to splve our problems? There aint nothing stopping us.

a reply to: schuyler


That is why his concept is failed. As long as things need moderation we are failed as a species.
As long as there is more than one human on earth there will not be world peace.



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
You honestly think a worldwide forum is the solution to any problem at all? Just look at ATS. Lots of bickering. No solutions.


I come up with solutions all the time, just everyone disagrees with me.



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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I love the idea!!! Since our representatives no longer even pretend to even spend time with their constituency, let alone try to solve the problems that need the most attention or have the most impact on the largest number of citizens' lives, I say we band together, tell them we will keep our taxes in escrow to be spent on projects for the good of all, and they can argue and posture all they like while we get stuff done.

Where do I sign up?!?



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 06:12 PM
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I do realize the irony, believe me. My statement about moderation was in regards to people living in the ego... Y' know, convinced of their iwn superiority, greedy and selfserving... Stubborn and often willfully ignorant? Yeah, thise kindsa people are what would tear my idea down. Which is why, in the op, i stated that for this to work, people would have to want it to work nore than they want persobal gain.
It diesny require anybody to be a sainy, but it does require a unifying comraderie to build a solid base of trust and cooperation...

If it could get off the ground, this idea would help foster that sott of ideal by merit of its existence... Unfortunately it seems in this world peopke just dont want to do anything to change the world, either out if fear, ignorance, complacency, or ibtimidation.
a reply to: Orionx2



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 06:17 PM
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Well, i havent actually made the site, yet ^^ lol
Dont know the first thing about making one, either.... a reply to: CantStandIt



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: LucidWarrior
I do realize the irony, believe me. My statement about moderation was in regards to people living in the ego... Y' know, convinced of their iwn superiority, greedy and selfserving... Stubborn and often willfully ignorant? Yeah, thise kindsa people are what would tear my idea down. Which is why, in the op, i stated that for this to work, people would have to want it to work nore than they want persobal gain.
It diesny require anybody to be a sainy, but it does require a unifying comraderie to build a solid base of trust and cooperation...

If it could get off the ground, this idea would help foster that sott of ideal by merit of its existence... Unfortunately it seems in this world peopke just dont want to do anything to change the world, either out if fear, ignorance, complacency, or ibtimidation.
a reply to: Orionx2

I like the idea of an interactive world globe. I am just not sure it will have the effect you think it will. In Africa for example they are hell bent on killing their own people due to tribal differences. Watch the movie "Tears of the Sun" for example.

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posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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Well, see, using those tribes as an example. Yiu cant get them in the same room together, theyll kill each other. Unless, that 'room' is online, where they can talk out their differences, with peoplw offering helpful ideas and solutions on a comments section or something.

Trying to get those tribes to want to communicate eould be hard. Id say, who can resist logic like 'if we all work together, we can make things better for everybody' but well... Theres plenty of ego-maniacs out there, but most if them I believe can be saved from their ego... Im aware my belief is borderline insane hope but i refuse to let it go.
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posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: LucidWarrior
Yes, I really do. I didn't say it would be easily accomplished...
Moderation would have to be pretty heavy, anybody drvolving inyo bickering or fighting eithout trying to come to a rrsolution pretty much.

Im just one man. I truly believe, if we can get all (heck, even half!) of humanity united to splve our problems? There aint nothing stopping us.

a reply to: schuyler



a reply to: LucidWarrior

Here is the problem, WHO are the moderators, and WHO chooses them? Voting? At the moderator level global discussion can be suppressed and or manipulated towards an end goal, not of the global community. Sound familiar? Aren't politician's roles as representatives also bear moderator privileges already?
ETA: Just think of what a "Super moderator" role would be in this scenario....

a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

I kinda like the "Yes/No Button" idea, if it were tamper proof. But I fear there is no such thing as tamper proof. One person, one vote. If it were ideal. BUT how would you count the vote of a Chinese citizen's vote on matters in say..Ontario, Canada electing a major?(or what ever they call them there) or Berlin's tax hike on petrol? (theoretical scenarios) Problems start right there and only get worse as you dissect the world into smaller voting districts that only collect votes from people within area affected by the vote..sound familiar?

Seems like nothing in the bigger picture will be changed either way.
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posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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Well, the thing is, the noderators are there only to filter out trolls... You dont want a serious conversation between he two tribes orion mentioned going on, and some flamebaiter coming in... The flaimebaiter is already only in the comments section, but still. Or like, were having a discussion on world hunger, and all of a sudden some trolls start spamming it, or just generally being detractive. So the answer is simple. Moderator bots are already a thing, they can detect spam and follow instructions to rid out troll. Stuff like the entire message is capped, ir theres an excessive amoujt of cursing, or namecalling... Y'know troll stuff. Everybody would be able to see the modbots logs in realtime, as qell as his scriptcode.

But, really, as otion pointed out, if we have to do a heavy amount of modding it defeats yhe purpose. I mean, trolling has its place, but theres people that dont act trollish they are trollish.

Again, thougj, the idea doesnt requite people to be saints, just to fpllow the basic tenets of civilization: be respectful, be cooperative, be wwilling to make a better future, together. It doesnt sound that hard, right? Well our world doesnt make ut easy to do. From the way our society is organized to the way the channel of ideas is being flooded en mass with evil...

As long as people are unwillibg to accept a horrible tomorrpw when something can be done today, and are willing to work yogether peaceably to find and enact those solutiins which benefit all?
Shhiit, i tell you true: Aint a damned thing gonna stop us.
a reply to: jappee



posted on Jul, 31 2016 @ 09:40 PM
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Youtube comment section on a global scale? Yes, please. Let the keks flow freely.



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