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If this is true we should seriously rethink our relationship with Turkey.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
They aren't sheltering him, because if Turkey has the evidence he is behind this he will be sent back.
And Turkey hasn't actually sent a formal request for extradition so the US doesn't have the reason to send him back yet. Until that is done the US has no legal reason to extradite him out of the country.
I think NATO just decided that Erdogan was becoming too much of an unpredictable factor in a complex situation and could be replaced relatively easily.
And yet he wasn't...guess they didn't think that.
Can Russia give the Turkish country billions of dollars in aid and military equipment, and free travel through Europe because if not why would they look towards Russia?
It is pretty clear the moment they reopened their bases to the US coalition to fight ISIS that they aren't looking toward Russia as an ally...you don't allow foreign governments that you are trying to move away from to use your military bases, as you would keep them from running military operations from your country.
“Rumors say that an ISAF commander U.S. general was behind the FETÖ coup attempt,” Bahçeli said, while addressing his party deputies in Ankara on July 26. The ISAF is the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, while FETÖ is an abbreviation used for the Fethullahist Terrorist Organization, which the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) says was behind the July 15 failed coup attempt.
“It is said that this U.S. person secretly came to Turkey twice before July 15 and had meetings full of secrets in [the eastern province of] Erzurum and the [southern province of] Adana’s İncirlik Air Base. If these claims are true, which means if the CIA and Pentagon are behind these traitors, this means that we are facing a very serious problem and the U.S. will not be able to overcome this,” he said.
If the U.S. had any involvement in the matter via the Incirlik Air Base, from where it has been conducting operations against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in Syria, the alliance between Washington and Ankara will be majorly damaged, the MHP leader said.
“This means that the U.S. and the global centers of power are planning to drag Turkey into civil war,” he said.
Moa link www.moonofalabama.org... Quartarii link www.almasdarnews.com...
The Qataris seem to be saying it was the Saudis and the Emirates ... Qatari official accuses Saudi Arabia of plotting failed coup in Turkey Qatari Minister of State for Defense, Khalid al-Attiyah, claimed to have obtained a confidential document which proves that Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have supported the failed coup in Turkey in July 15th. “This document reveals that a Saudi Emir and a top Emirati military official have been aware, in advance, of an imminent plot to topple the Turkish President through their participation in the Anatolian Eagle maneuvers held last May. However, they refrained from informing the Turkish authorities”, al-Attiyah posted on his official Twitter account. ... gee , Qatar is pretty close to KSA and the UAE. I guess they're relying on Erdogan's new base for protection? Can it have been built yet? But wait, haven't the Turkish armed forces just been decimated by the Sultan himself? Actually, al-Attiyah doesn't actually charge the Saudis/UAE with the coup ... only with having known it was coming up and staying mum. Silent partners therein. Lots of NATO countries ... and Israel, too, took part in the Anattolian exercises. Only one making the charge, so far. Maybe Qatar knew too? Trying to cop a plea? What a mess. Posted by: jfl | Jul 27, 2016 9:32:05 AM
Bahceli has tabled a motion in the parliament seeking clarification on “rumours” that the CIA was behind the coup plot. A falshpoint arises if the government makes the details available. The Turkish media reported that Ankara has warned the authorities in Pakistan regarding the elite schools run by Gulen’s organization in that country. (See the Deutsche Welle report Secular Pakistanis resist Turkey’s ‘authoritarian demands.) The Obama administration is unlikely to extradite Gulen, given his key role in US intelligence operations in the Central Asian region, while Turkey has made this the litmus test of US’ goodwill and sincerity as ally. Significantly, New York Times featured an article in the weekend authored by Gulen where he urged Washington not to extradite him. Gulen wrote, His (Erdogan’s) goal: To ensure my extradition, despite a lack of credible evidence and virtually no prospect for a fair trial. The temptation to give Mr. Erdogan whatever he wants is understandable. But the United States must resist it. Washington probably anticipates that a showdown with Ankara may become unavoidable in a very near future over the Gulen issue. The US State Department has advised dependants and families of US diplomatic personnel posted in Turkey to leave the country. Another travel advisory on Monday counselled US nationals to “reconsider travel to Turkey at this time”. (here) It becomes extremely significant that amidst all this, President Erdogan will be traveling to St. Petersburg, Russia, to meet President Vladimir Putin on August 9. This will be Erdogan’s first trip abroad after the coup and he is signalling that restoring friendly ties with Russia is his topmost priority. Of course, Erdogan will be keenly interested in close cooperation between the intelligence agencies of Turkey and Russia. The prominent Turkish columnist Murat Yetkin wrote today,
he failed coup in Turkey has come as a god-sent opportunity for Russia to connect the dots. Russian diplomacy will be in top gear in Laos on Monday when Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry sit down to assemble the joint mechanism to fight terrorism in Syria under the ‘Moscow Agreements’, and to transfer synergy thereof to a trilateral meeting of US, Russian and UN officials in Geneva later in the week to kick-start peace talks. If ten days shook the world in 1917, as John Reid put it dramatically while narrating the events of the Bolshevik Revolution, a 10-day historic pause similarly promises to shake up the geopolitics of the Middle East.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ipsedixit
One problem with that...the Turkish pm has stated the US was not involved in the coup.
So now that bit of propaganda can be put to rest.
originally posted by: ipsedixit
a reply to: the2ofusr1
I finally got around to reading your linked article on Fethulla Gulen. I read somewhere that he was a secularist, but apparently, according to William Engdahl, he is an Islamist trying to restore the Ottoman caliphate and roll back the reforms of Mustapha Kemal Ataturk.
That makes a lot more sense, since it falls in line with the American strategy of fostering religious zealots in the Arab world.
According to Engdahl, an American PR firm has been trying to craft an "acceptable" image for Mr. Gulen. That must be how I got the impression that he was a secularist. What a sick press world we live in! In the West Erdogan is painted as the Islamist, but the Americans are holding the real Islamist in reserve, so he and his "ideas" can be inserted into Turkey to make sure that it never gets out of the "chronic care" ward.