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Neanderthal bones from an excavation in Belgium have yielded evidence of intentional butchering. The findings, from the Goyet caves near Namur, are the first evidence of cannibalism among Neanderthals north of the Alps. The skeletal remains were radiocarbon-dated to an age of around 40,500 to 45,500 years. Remarkably, this group of late Neanderthals also used the bones of their kind as tools, which were used to shape other tools of stone.
Professors Hervé Bocherens and Johannes Krause of Tübingen's Senckenberg Center for Human Evolution and Palaeoenvironment, along with Cosimo Posth and Christoph Wissing, also of the University of Tübingen, took part in the investigations. A review of the finds from the Troisième caverne of Goyet combined results from various disciplines; it identified 99 previously uncertain bone fragments as Neanderthal bones. That means Goyet has yielded the greatest amount of Neanderthal remains north of the Alps.
Some Neanderthal remains from Goyet have been worked by human hands, as evidenced by cut marks, pits and notches. The researchers see this as an indication that the bodies from which they came were butchered. This appears to have been done thoroughly; the remains indicate processes of skinning, cutting up, and extraction of the bone marrow. "These indications allow us to assume that Neanderthals practised cannibalism," says Hervé Bocherens. But he adds that it is impossible to say whether the remains were butchered as part of some symbolic act, or whether the butchering was carried out simply for food. "The many remains of horses and reindeer found in Goyet were processed the same way," Bocherens says.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: punkinworks10
No, of course not. The Neanderthals cut them up and fed them to the dogs.
Magdelenian, can you say hybrid?
Madelenian man appears to have been of low stature, dolichocephalic, with low retreating forehead and prominent brow ridges.
originally posted by: punkinworks10
I ran across a paper on very early skeltons from central mexico, and they described a set of skulls that had, sloping foreheads
extremely prominent brow ridges that had hollow spaces, does that not sound familar?
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: punkinworks10
I ran across a paper on very early skeltons from central mexico, and they described a set of skulls that had, sloping foreheads
extremely prominent brow ridges that had hollow spaces, does that not sound familar?
Did they also claim that the skull had a double row of teeth ?
originally posted by: punkinworks10
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: punkinworks10
I ran across a paper on very early skeltons from central mexico, and they described a set of skulls that had, sloping foreheads
extremely prominent brow ridges that had hollow spaces, does that not sound familar?
Did they also claim that the skull had a double row of teeth ?
Very funny Marduk,
No, they did not and is a serious paper published by a university research group.
In case you did not know the brow ridges of HSN are hollow, and modern indigenous people of central mexico have some of the highest levels of HSN dna.
I have spent the last hour looking for the paper, but cant find it.
when i download something on my mobile it assigns a file# to the file, and i ran across it looking for something else and didn't re title it, I will find it though
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: punkinworks10
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: punkinworks10
I ran across a paper on very early skeltons from central mexico, and they described a set of skulls that had, sloping foreheads
extremely prominent brow ridges that had hollow spaces, does that not sound familar?
Did they also claim that the skull had a double row of teeth ?
Very funny Marduk,
No, they did not and is a serious paper published by a university research group.
In case you did not know the brow ridges of HSN are hollow, and modern indigenous people of central mexico have some of the highest levels of HSN dna.
I have spent the last hour looking for the paper, but cant find it.
when i download something on my mobile it assigns a file# to the file, and i ran across it looking for something else and didn't re title it, I will find it though
The only reference I could find was from a 1907 religious paper and also claimed double row of teeth, which is usually shorthand for "not examined by anyone qualified", Did I make a funny ?
The human remains are thought to be of late-Pleistocene age based on faunal
correlation. Many have been in Solórzano’s possession for some time; others were recently
collected. Like associated fauna, all are mineralized, dark in color, and fragmentary. We have a
focus on their origins and will work to establish exact field proveniences in May 2000.
The Chapala bones (n = 10) have a MNI of three, based on two left superciliary arches
(brow ridges) and a deciduous incisor. The super border of each brow is blunt, implying the sex
was male in both cases. However, size variations of other fragments suggest males and females
are represented. The deciduous incisor is from a three-year-old; the rest represent young adults.
One Chapala superciliary arch deserves specific mention due to its large size. Studies by
Solórzano show the bone resembles that in archaic Homo sapiens at Arago, France. In an
unpublished 1990 report, Texas A&M osteologists suggest the brow’s thickness and robustness
are comparable to those of KNM-ER 3733 (African Homo erectus). Our measurements show the
central torus thickness is 13.3, compared with 8.5 mm for KNM-ER 3733; the lateral torus
thickness is 11.5 versus 9.0 mm (Rightmire 1998). Thus for the sake of comparison, the brow is
more like that of Zhoukoudian Skull XI (Asian Homo erectus), with a central torus thickness of
13.2 +/- mm; lateral torus thickness was not measured (Rightmire 1998). Modern brows are too
diminutive to allow these measurements. The brow also shows pneumatization (air pockets)
along its length.
However, to reiterate the findings of the Texas A&M workers, these comparisons do not
imply that pre-Homo sapiens were in the Americas. No phylogenetic or age implications are
intended. Instead, the comparisons demonstrate the size relative to most New World specimens,
although brows on the Lagoa Santa skull (Bryan 1978) and on recent Tierra del Fuego and
Patagonia crania (Lahr 1995; C.L. Brace pers. comm. 1998) appear comparable.
The least certain conclusion concerns evolutionary
selective pressures resulting from a tough meat diet
and hard living conditions leading to a short lifespan.
These pressures would put a high premium on the
fertility of a few women, especially those having
massive teeth to resist wear (cf. Brace, 1962). Possibly
Mongoloid features are a result of such pressures.
The source for this extra tooth and face size not yet
fully developed in late Pleistocene East Asia might be a
recombination of genes from a tropical Negritoid
population (contributing canine plus incisor breadth
and prognathism) with genes from Sinanthropus
descendants like Mapa (Woo, 1959 b; Coon, 1962)
contributing shovel incisors and face massiveness, and
perhaps also with Upper Paleolithic "White" genes.
Evolution from such a proto-Mongoloid blend in a
Mongoloid direction would have occurred in both
Asia and America after 20,000 B.C. Apparently this
evolution went much further in Asia.