Dallas Suspect Was Upset About Recent Police Shootings [UPDATE - Shooter Was Ex-Military]

originally posted by: bknapple32
a reply to: Byrd

The makings of the lone nut in practice before our eyes.

Yes and so close to the.....oh never mind.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Byrd

But this moron got what he deserved. Hopefully the other 3 cowardly racist criminals will get what they deserve.

Actually, this soldier was trained by the US Military to use gun violence to resolve conflicts.

He was sent to Afghanistan to fight for America, his home, to protect his nation.

Then he comes home, only to find police officers killing his brethren, those with whom he identifies with, for no good reason.

Frustrated, that he is fighting abroad for a nation that is killing his own back at home, he takes the fight to the enemy.

That is what he has been trained to do.

Taking a life does not mean the same thing for a soldier as it does for an ordinary citizen.

For a soldier, killing is a solution to a problem.

And dying in battle, is the hero's way to the grave.

You can call him all the names you want, but he was just doing what soldiers do every day as part of their job.

If you don't want people to kill, don't train them to do so.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Actually, there are conflicting reports on that.

He was trained as a specialist in masonry and carpentry in the reserves, so it was more like he was sent to Afghanistan to build big, evil Imperialist walls or something. Basically, he was in no way on the front lines with that kind of focus. That doesn't mean he never saw any action, but it's also not like he was humping huge packs through the mountains and getting into firefights with the Taliban as a matter of course.

His was a logistics and support role.

As I live in the area, there are a few things that can be stated:

This was coming, and I am surprised that this did not happen before that time frame. Police have been targeted before, but this was the first time where it was more public than before. The suspect was trained to use a weapon, and at a distance, that much can be confirmed, however, the question of how many people were working with him, are still up in the air.

He fired a weapon from a vantage point, hitting the first officer, though no one ran, yet, but after the second one, people scattered, and that is when it was all chaos. For him to continue to fire and hit officers, though only 2 protestors were shot and injured. That in itself would indicate someone was guiding and pointing out the officers in the chaos.

They keep stating snipers in the news, so it is a question as to how many were shooting, along with what all was stated and how they ended this.

What we should be more worried about is that they used a robot with an explosive device on the suspect killing him. We should find this disconcerting, as it removes the potential for any questions or even a chance to find out in more details why.

But beyond that, it is also what was stated that there were bombs all around. Now the question is was this man bluffing or are there bombs planted around the city of Dallas with the intention to do as much damage and cause more chaos?

So now there are questions that no one is wanting to answer, and they are still trying to clear the area, even at this hour.

a reply to: AMPTAH

I find your post highly insulting to the American soldier.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AMPTAH

I find your post highly insulting to the American soldier.

Why?

Would you explain why you find killing to be offensive in this case?

Obviously, soldiers kill, that is what they are trained to do. So, you must think that something here is different from the battlefield.

What would that be?

originally posted by: sdcigarpig

They keep stating snipers in the news, so it is a question as to how many were shooting, along with what all was stated and how they ended this.

According to one news report, there was one sniper, employing a "mobile" tactic, of shooting from one position, and moving quickly to another position and shooting from there. Apparently, the shooter has written a document on how to do this effectively. So, he appeared to be many snipers, when he was just one.

a reply to: AMPTAH
fighting the enemy both foreign and domestic that`s what he took an oath to do,i guess the politicians and police don`t take their oath as seriously as this guy did.

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: jjkenobi
There is no way I'd show up to work as a white Dallas police officer today or maybe even for the week. I'd let the city be destroyed before I faced blatant racist hatred like that.

I'm sure most cops would agree with you, screw the city and the people, my priority is me above all else.

Hell, most probably think "Protect and Service" is a trim level on the vehicles they drive.

I mean, it's not like they swore an oath or anything, it's just a jerb.

I bet they all showed up to work.

originally posted by: Tardacus
a reply to: AMPTAH
fighting the enemy both foreign and domestic that`s what he took an oath to do,i guess the politicians and police don`t take their oath as seriously as this guy did.

Tell that to the 200+ officers involved and make sure you interview the officers who ran into the killing zone so civilians could get out safely.

....ran into the killing zone.

S##T.
I HATE these assholes..www.mintpressnews.com...
KKK is back, now we have to fight THEM too.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Soldiers are not programmable killbots from some pentagon factory.

You've never served, so to try to change your highly biased view is something Hercules would probably take a pass on.

1 tour in Afghanistan?
WHY only one I wonder?
Did his bigotry show?

a reply to: AMPTAH

It is not what we do HERE.
We are better thank this screw up WE know what AND why.
This bigot did not.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

Tell that to the 200+ officers involved and make sure you interview the officers who ran into the killing zone so civilians could get out safely.

....ran into the killing zone.

That is another problem with soldier training.

When the US invaded Iraq, both the good Iraqis and bad Iraqis got killed.

The bombs didn't discriminate between good fellas and bad fellas.

The US tried to avoid civilians.

But anyone in Iraqi military "uniform" was a target. Even though, most people in uniform are just there to earn a wage to feed their family.

That's how soldiers operate.

You and I as civilians would try to find the "bad cops", and prosecute them.

But, "soldier think" is different.

a reply to: AMPTAH

if you are going to wear a uniform then you should understand what requirements come with that. Even more so during times of war.

The same holds for putting on a police uniform. We know the obligations that come along with that choice, including forfeiting our lives to protect others.

While you can debate this, 200+ officers in Dallas were a little busy doing their job by running into harms way to protect the innocent. Those officers, using your mindset, could have just opened fire on the crowd in hopes the shooter is in the crowd but they didnt and they wouldn't.

They exposed themselves by running into the gunfire in hopes civilians could get away by presenting an armed target for the shooter to concentrate on. Of those officers only 12 had clear shots where there was no danger of hitting civilians still in the area. Those officers who did not have clear shots didn't run. They stayed in the danger zone doing their jobs. Including the officer's who died doing their jobs and upholding their oaths.

Would I find the bad cops? Yes I would and have done it before and in those incidents the investigative reports I completed were sent through command staff and forwarded on to the prosecuting attorney.At that point, based on law, my job was done and the PA's job began.

You cannot compare the military in a war zone with that of civilian law enforcement. They are not the same and completely different guideline and rules of engagement apply.

I find it in very poor taste that you would group all military personnel into the same category. Law Enforcement nor military would not group you into an overly broad category based on ignorance just to paint a picture of you and I don't think its appropriate to do the very same thing you are accusing the military of doing.

Hypocritical much?

1 bad person who is military / former military going on a killing spree does not make everyone in the military the same just as a person trying to compare apples to zebras does not mean everyone else in this thread ignorant to the extent of not being able to understand the differences.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: AMPTAH
Those officers, using your mindset, could have just opened fire on the crowd in hopes the shooter is in the crowd but they didnt and they wouldn't.

They do fire on crowds, when they gear up in riot mode. In this particular instance, they did not.

Would I find the bad cops? Yes I would and have done it before and in those incidents the investigative reports

There is a very simple solution to this. Any officer who shoots an unarmed civilian killing him, should immediately lose his job.

You can investigate the officer afterwards, to determine if the circumstances warrant prosecution, but the minimum action should be removing his badge and gun permanently.

The problem comes in when that officer remains on the force.

You cannot compare the military in a war zone with that of civilian law enforcement. They are not the same and completely different guideline and rules of engagement apply.

But a soldier only knows one way to think. A soldier will also "interpret" his environment according to his training. A soldier has broken down the psychological barrier to take life. It is just a tool.

I find it in very poor taste that you would group all military personnel into the same category.

Pretty much. Military training is fairly uniform. It is just identification of who the enemy is that is different from one individual to the next.

When U.S. Army Major Nidal Hassan shot and killed a dozen "uniform" personal in Fort Hood in 2009, he was doing the same thing. In his case, he identified himself with "Muslim Brothers", he felt that the US was attacking his brethren. Identified the enemy as the US army, and picked them off one by one. His training was the same as here, problems are solved by the gun. Targets are uniforms.

Different group, same principle. Only the blind can't see it.

1 bad person who is military / former military going on a killing spree does not make everyone in the military the same.

Everyone in the military is the same, they just identify with different groups, and have different concepts of who the enemy is.

That code for the police uniform seems the be missed by quite a few LEO in today's world. Killing civilians without just cause.

I know there are many good one, some slackers and some bad ones. But the parts of the unwritten code seems to be becoming a problem.

When you cover for those doing wrong, so do you. That's how the police and justice see it for the citizen.

a reply to: AMPTAH

They fire on NON PEACEFUL CROWDS and WITH NON-LETHAL AMMUNITION. They cant just mow down a entire crowd of rioters with Lethal ammunition(at least in the US)