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originally posted by: uncommitted
Whether you like it or not, whether you choose to believe it or not, a lot of people voted to leave because they want non UK people out of the country. I find that as sad as you do but if I walk outside my house and throw a stone in any direction the chances are it will hit a house where that was there reasoning. Don't believe me? That's your choice but on the day after the vote they all went to one of my neighbours and made it clear what they thought.
originally posted by: alldaylong
Just found this quote from The Dutch P.M. which he made this morning in Brussels.
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told MEPs that the Brexit vote was "extremely unfortunate", especially for the UK. "That country now has collapsed - politically, economically, monetarily and constitutionally, and you will have years ahead of you to get out of this mess.
www.bbc.co.uk...
This chap is as Mad As A Hatter.
Does he really think that a country that faced up to Nazi Germany in 1939 is in a worse crisis now because we have decided to leave The E.U. ?
Gave me a good laugh anyway.
originally posted by: grainofsand
originally posted by: uncommitted
the threats of violence if you don't get what you want
What spin are you trying to put on my words?
I am clear, if immigration snatch squads started rounding up my EU mates then me and my Brit mates will resist.
Wouldn't you?
Would you just sit back and watch?
No take your spin with you. Lame as misinterpretation of my comments...you are clearly a slippery one.
...just bitter from losing the Leave vote, at least I have pinned my flag on the mast, I will defend my EU mates while you just whinge about 'threats of violence' cool, sit back and watch if ever things like that start to happen. I won't.
originally posted by: grainofsand
originally posted by: uncommitted
Whether you like it or not, whether you choose to believe it or not, a lot of people voted to leave because they want non UK people out of the country. I find that as sad as you do but if I walk outside my house and throw a stone in any direction the chances are it will hit a house where that was there reasoning. Don't believe me? That's your choice but on the day after the vote they all went to one of my neighbours and made it clear what they thought.
Wow, I'm glad I don't live where you do, sounds horribly bigoted.
I don't know any bigots in real life, only people who will defend our EU friends. There are more of us who will defend where I live than those who express 'send them home' sentiments.
I hope your neighbourhood improves.
originally posted by: uncommitted
It does sound horribly bigoted doesn't it? It's called England.
originally posted by: uncommitted
The vote happened. People chose to believe what Johnson and Gove said. I hope they get what they were promised by people not in a position to promise it. Am I bitter? I'll say again, no, I'm just sad they won't get what people they trusted promised when they knew it wasn't in their power to deliver even if the promise had any actual basis in fact.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: uncommitted
I do get what you are saying, but here is the thing.
Most of those who voted to leave did so to stem the tide of people coming here.
originally posted by: grainofsand
originally posted by: uncommitted
It does sound horribly bigoted doesn't it? It's called England.
It does sound horrible, but it isn't called England, it's called your experience of your part of England.
originally posted by: 83Liberty
originally posted by: uncommitted
The vote happened. People chose to believe what Johnson and Gove said. I hope they get what they were promised by people not in a position to promise it. Am I bitter? I'll say again, no, I'm just sad they won't get what people they trusted promised when they knew it wasn't in their power to deliver even if the promise had any actual basis in fact.
Sorry for jumping into your debate with grainofsand but had to comment on this..
If the people voted on a 'post Brexit manifesto' then that is their own fault.
People should have used their brains more.
The EU referendum was a vote on whether we Remain a member of the EU or Leave the EU.
That is it.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: uncommitted
Wow, you seem unhappy about me presenting my opinion and intentions about a hypothetical situation in a reasoned discussion.
Have a cup of tea maybe? I'm sharing my reasoned thoughts about how much I care for my EU mates, why does that appear to trouble you so much?
Is it because I voted leave?
originally posted by: uncommitted
That's weird, grainofsand suggests how horribly bigoted that makes them.
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: uncommitted
I do get what you are saying, but here is the thing.
Most of those who voted to leave did so to stem the tide of people coming here.
That's weird, grainofsand suggests how horribly bigoted that makes them. So, are you saying most who voted to leave are horribly bigoted?
Look, the decision has been made, whether you or others like it or not discussions will at some point need to take place. Seeing as I'm more Irish and Polish by descent than English (born here, one parent half Polish, the other fully Irish) I think I've as much right as anyone to an opinion on how we as a country should ensure those that came to live here have as much right as those who left here to live/work elsewhere - it's not all in our court.
originally posted by: uncommitted
Thank you for the reminder, and a very true one it is. None of the Brexit people offered up a manifesto at all.
www.stackyard.com...
During the referendum we have repeatedly drawn attention to our sector’s need for access to migrant labour, both seasonal and full-time. Outside the EU we will need some kind of student agricultural workers scheme, which is open to students from around the world.