Claim guy charged with weapons in Gay Pride event gave himself up in fear he was a patsy

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: j.r.c.b.
See what yuppa wrote above?? I'm in agreement with yuppa. I support the 2nd 100%.

What was written is not evidence they're training to kill Americans, they could just like playing soldier like several other militias do.

The patsy stated they were trained there. Along with the shooter in orlando. So....

If Mateen was there, you can bet there's a selfie of it.

Ok, let’s say for arguments sake that this is the truth, that this is a conspiracy, what bothers me about this entire story is this:

A man, from Indiana, is contacted to do a mass shooting at a large public event, and then agrees to it. He leaves one state and then travels to another where he finds his contacts are not there, no way of getting in touch with them and remains at the location. He is picked up and then arrested, as all of the stuff is sitting in his car in full view.

Something does not seem right with the story. For starters, the actual part, where he is contacted, he does not give any indications to what would have happened if he said no to the initial contact, or why did he not simply go to another town or city and talk to say the sheriff or police in that town, or even the news media and get it out in the open?

And when he got to LA and his contacts were not answering the phone, or where they were supposed to be, why remain in the area? And why did he have all of the firearms right where it could have been seen by the police when they did show up? One would think that if they were going to do this kind of event, that he would have had the weapons broken down and hidden in say the trunk, that when he did get to the final destination, that he would not be so stupid as to show up in the neighborhood, and then knock on doors drawing attention to himself in the process, and getting seen, or noticed, and if his contacts were not around, or answering or anything, why stay, why not get into his car, find a cheap motel, park it for the night, maybe ditch or stash the weapons and explosives and make a bee line to someplace safe?

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
Ok, let’s say for arguments sake that this is the truth, that this is a conspiracy, what bothers me about this entire story is this:

A man, from Indiana, is contacted to do a mass shooting at a large public event, and then agrees to it. He leaves one state and then travels to another where he finds his contacts are not there, no way of getting in touch with them and remains at the location. He is picked up and then arrested, as all of the stuff is sitting in his car in full view.

Something does not seem right with the story. For starters, the actual part, where he is contacted, he does not give any indications to what would have happened if he said no to the initial contact, or why did he not simply go to another town or city and talk to say the sheriff or police in that town, or even the news media and get it out in the open?

And when he got to LA and his contacts were not answering the phone, or where they were supposed to be, why remain in the area? And why did he have all of the firearms right where it could have been seen by the police when they did show up? One would think that if they were going to do this kind of event, that he would have had the weapons broken down and hidden in say the trunk, that when he did get to the final destination, that he would not be so stupid as to show up in the neighborhood, and then knock on doors drawing attention to himself in the process, and getting seen, or noticed, and if his contacts were not around, or answering or anything, why stay, why not get into his car, find a cheap motel, park it for the night, maybe ditch or stash the weapons and explosives and make a bee line to someplace safe?

You are talking about a man in panic mode. It seems to me he fully planned to pull off the attack and thought he would be protected. Maybe the meeting was planned or the meeting did not take place where expected.

Knocking on doors is one version. And maybe, like he said, he believed he was set up. Thus he was probably being followed. He said CIA. That says enough.

tony...the more charges the more heinous the crime the more likely to get a longer sentence and and be removed from the interrogation by the press

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
A man, from Indiana, is contacted to do a mass shooting at a large public event, and then agrees to it.

Someone may have made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Maybe he did this to make some of his legal problems disappear, and he seems to have plenty of those.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
He is picked up and then arrested, as all of the stuff is sitting in his car in full view.

Who says it was in full view? Cops only say this because they didn't have a warrant to search his car.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
...he does not give any indications to what would have happened if he said no to the initial contact, or why did he not simply go to another town or city and talk to say the sheriff or police in that town, or even the news media and get it out in the open?

He may have believed he didn't have much time left.

www.courier-journal.com...
James Howell was charged Tuesday with three felonies: possession of an assault weapon, possession of explosives on a public highway and possession of a high-capacity magazine. He was also charged with a misdemeanor, possession of a loaded weapon, according to L.A. County Deputy district attorney Sean Carney.
Howell's bail was increased from $500,000 to $2 million Tuesday because of his perceived danger to the community,

The insignificance of the charges hardly merits the excessive bail. What perceived danger? Officially he didn't threaten the gay parade. He didn't threaten anybody. He could have just been some hick who decided to take a trip out west with his guns. Of course there are other reasons they will keep him incommunicado for a long, long time.


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a reply to: starviego

Weapons can be traced to their owners, and that much will be part of the investigation, to include who sold such to him.

There are problems with this story that makes no sense, so if the person made him an offer he could not refuse, there are ways to get the word out, even get help if need be, to include the media, and possibly some law enforcement.

If he gave permission or they had probable cause to search his car, it would have been justified, however, based on the article, it leads me to belief that such was visible and gave the police probable cause for seeing something that did not look right, thus bypassing the requirements for a search warrent.

If a person was going to do this kind of incident, and get away, one would have the person there in town several weeks before hand, places and addresses would have been known very well, including looking around, blending in, ways in and ways out would be carefully planned and plotted out. The pride parades very rarely change courses, so it is easy to see how one can get in and out easily, including where to go in the mass chaos, how to get away and disappear in the crowd. Things like gloves and other items to make it difficult to not have things like finger prints, would be essential and places to avoid such as cameras would be required by all those involved.

Something like this, if it were set up, would require a good deal of planning to be effective, including knowing who all would be there, including numbers and positions of people like the police, which are always present during these kinds of events to keep some order.

Hence why his story makes no sense at all, and something does not seem right about it.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

You forget they need a patsy, so somebody has to get caught.

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Strange that a guy who believed in false-flag attacks would consent to participate in what he must have known would be another false-flag attack. I can't conceive of him knowingly participating in murder just to get rid of some criminal charges back home. Was he, in fact, told that this was just to be a "hoax attack," with no one really being hurt--and thus no chance of serious criminal charges if he got caught?

www.sandiegouniontribune.com...
A Facebook page for Howell said he.... repeats conspiracy theories that the government was behind notorious terrorist attacks, including Sept. 11, 2001. That post shares a video claiming that last year’s terror attack on the Paris offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was a hoax and attributable to the “New World Order.”