Handout or no? Swiss mull $2,500 monthly income for all

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
amazing what you can consider when your defense budget isn't 600 billion dollars

Yet another reason to stop subsidizing Europe's defense. It makes them soft enough to dream up boondoggles like this.

a reply to: syrinx high priest

well now were getting into resource control

you cant have one without the other either the system is controlled or theres no income.

no in betweens.

a reply to: onequestion


DBCowboy's quote or the Swiss? I'm not sure i follow

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I'll continue to call it communism.

I don't really care though. Not my country.

We've got a fascist (Hillary) that'll be running things here.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

a boondoggle is spending $400 billion or whatever they are up to for the f-35 and still not be able to deliver.

They are even considering extending the f-22 now

its about what you get for your money

a reply to: DBCowboy

Look at the population, the GDP, taxes collected and percentages taxed. Then do the math

Havent researched that far yet - you done the "math" on their canton system of voting yet - seems fairer than yours or mine (Australia).

I may not be as "old" as you but some countries seem to be doing alright. A bit like Libya with their free health care before they were "Liberated"

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: syrinx high priest

well now were getting into resource control

you cant have one without the other either the system is controlled or theres no income.

no in betweens.

not resource control, not taking state ownership of anything, just monetary policy from the central bank or supply side policy like reducing red tape, there are ways to deal with it

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I don't really care about other countries. Their leaders can have whatever system they want.

I'm too old to give a crap about my future. My kids and grand kids, though. Them I'll worry for.

a reply to: syrinx high priest

I think inflation is a very real issue here. If everybody has purchasing power, the price will only go one direction.

You all have latched onto this fear/idea of "Wheelbarrows to buy a loaf of bread." Few recognize that inflation is a tool of the money creation process caused by the Central Banks in printing the money in the first place. Our Govts control the flow of new Money in response to demand, our governments borrow against our taxation knowing they will pay us back in reduced benefits/devalued dollars in the future! Usually its Central banks that control Interest rates (but not in all cases)

I'm sure if 10% of the Swiss population get SW2500 -(2560 US) pm (or SW 580 per week) its going to cause Weimar Republic hyperinflation! NOT

Please do yourselves a favour and do some study.


en.wikipedia.org...

Hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic
The hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic was a three-year period of hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic (modern-day Germany) between June 1921 and January 1924. The hyperinflation was a cause of considerable internal political instability in the country, the occupation of the Ruhr by foreign troops and misery for the general populace

Note it was not a free country, it was partially occupied

In order to pay for the large costs of the ongoing First World War, Germany suspended the gold standard (i.e., the convertibility of its currency into gold) when the war broke out. Unlike the French Third Republic, which imposed its first income tax to pay for the war, the German Emperor Wilhelm II and the German parliament (the Reichstag) decided without opposition to fund the war entirely by borrowing,[1] a decision criticized by financial experts such as Hjalmar Schacht as a dangerous risk for currency devaluation.[2] The government apparently believed that it would be able to pay off the debt by annexing resource-rich industrial territory to the west and east and imposing massive reparations on the defeated Allies.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

soft enough to dream up boondoggles like this.

Hardly "soft" when many Euro countries still have Military National Service, or join the USA in invading the Middle East (Coalition of the willing - ring any bells?)

a reply to: DBCowboy

thats all you can say - no thoughts about the young dying in foreign lands - you must be a MIC shareholder

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I'm bored with this thread - obviously still infested with 50s Reds under the Bed scaremongering - have fun with the math - better yet look at how the most disadvantaged are cared for in your own backyards before taking shallow pot shots at how other countries decide to help their own unfortunate.

I say go for it!!! Every free-loading, sociopathic, feel-they-are-entitled person in the world will be heading to a country that does that!

originally posted by: StoutBroux
a reply to: avgguy

Yes, and once again, the burden falls on the backs of the working people.

Possible ways of paying for it would include fees on salaries of people who earn more than the minimum, savings from welfare programs that would be discontinued and taxes or spending cuts in the state budget.

Seriously, who would continue to work?

Someone who wants to work? And there would also be those who were paid, working doing things they could not otherwise be doing while looking for a job at macdonalds.

Everyone sees free money, and not basic living, empowering people to be far more productive than how things currently are. I'm sure we all get a laugh out of seeing homeless people, people lined up at food banks, etc..

And long term unemployment is often the cause of substance abuse as a means to cope with the never ending loss of hope. That's always good for society.

But them bludgers, taking my hard earned tax dollars, I've worked all my life for the past 4 years to do good at this job I love to do, but I'm gonna quit and become a couch potato. I have always envied couch potatoes.... I'll have 10 remotes in case I lose 9.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: CumingsJA
$2500 a month,post tax isn't really much.

Who is paying?

Money does not grow on trees, even in Switzerland.

Who currently pays to help people find work? I'm sure you don't mind tax dollars being spent on employment agencies all over the place, with 10 or more staff being paid. that free money doesn't come from trees either.

Imagine if those places were abolished. What could we do with that money...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: syrinx high priest

What part if "It's not sustainable" did you not understand?

What does sustainability have to do with Communism? Plenty of Capitalist and Socialist policies are unsustainable, and plenty of communist policies are sustainable.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: syrinx high priest

must be nice for them knowing were there to keep them safe huh?

Switzerland is full of defensive terrain, every citizen is armed, there are many well armed bunkers all throughout the nations hills and mountains. The country is basically a giant fortress. On top of that their banking policies have given them actual neutrality and they have an up to date military that is also quite well staffed. It has nothing to do with the US being there to keep them safe, we don't even have a defense agreement with them as Swiss policy is to not get entangled in any foreign military agreements which includes defense pacts. The official US stance towards Switzerland is positive but not very deep, they're basically middlemen for us to negotiate with nations we consider enemies.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: syrinx high priest

well now were getting into resource control

you cant have one without the other either the system is controlled or theres no income.

no in betweens.

That's how it used to be done. As late as the 1800's there were price controls on goods and wages. If there was a shortage of a product, existing stores were rationed out evenly among the population and demand would quickly pick back up because the shortage would create more jobs to fill the void. Eventually nations adopted purely market based systems instead where shortages came alongside price increases, allowing the wealthy to always have their products. This also lead to shortages taking longer to get addressed in the market because the price could simply go up rather than production increase.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
What part if "It's not sustainable" did you not understand?

Have you looked at the population figures and GDP, tax levels in Switzerland?

Swiss GDP is $84,815.41 per capita compared to the US $53,041.98. Furthermore, their annual government budget is 10.63% of GDP and it runs a surplus. You can contrast that with the US for example which has a budget of 21% of GDP and runs a deficit.

They are a very wealthy country.

In Soviet Comunism utopia, everyone is working and functions, if you dont work you are considered a leech.