Russia offers help to Fort Mcmurray

a reply to: korath

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

They seem to be doing alright by themselves.

Canada wildfires: Hopes raised in battle to contain blaze

The battle to contain the wildfires in west-central Canada has reached a turning point, partly thanks to drizzle and favourable winds, say officials.

One minister warned much work lay ahead but "we may be turning a corner".

A fifth of homes in the oil sands city of Fort McMurray have been destroyed and more than 80,000 people evacuated.

But the fire had not spread as fast as had been feared, said Alberta Premier Rachel Notley, who will survey the devastation on Monday.

"With a bit of help from Mother Nature and a lot of help from firefighters and first responders, the fire grew a lot more slowly than we feared," she said.

On Saturday, officials had said they expected it to double in size.

The fire covered 1,610 sq km (622 square miles) on Sunday morning, said Ms Notley, and was about 30-40km from the neighbouring province, Saskatchewan.

There have been no deaths from the fire but Ms Notley became emotional when she paid tribute to two evacuees who died in a car accident during the evacuation.

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Why do some people seem to think that a country that is not the US or Russia are incapable of handling things on their own?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Because by turning down aid from other countries, the fire continues, if those other countries where to come here and help extinguish it the fire would be out quicker and the less property would be destroyed. I think he made a bad decision on it.

Some still consider in Russia socialism, it is a long time not so today democracy and Christianity. It remains something of socialism such as taxes 13% paid maternity leave for 3 years, partly free medical care, and of course the ability to selflessly help extinguish fires aircraft Ilyushin Il-76, Beriev Be-200. and socialism is now in Israel, but not for all,and of course they will not help the goyim even for money. US may also help for $ 3000000 80-100 hours youtu.be...

a reply to: korath
a reply to: mangust69

and its entirely possible more aid wont be effective. Having 50 aircraft able to fight fires does no good when only a few can be safely used at any given time. Secondly I doubt Trudeau is the one deciding these issues on his own. You take your cue from the locals on the ground, ask them what they need, then get them the resources.

I am sure he has a better understanding of whats going on, whats needed, and whats not needed, than any of us. Until we hear local / provincial governments screaming at Ottawa I think we should defer to their judgement.

@mangust69
How the hell are you bringing Israel into this conversation? Feel free to disparage them in your own thread. Also Russia offered assistance, along with the US and other countries and all were declined. Stop with the Russia pity party.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Harper and Putin hated each others guts

Because harper is a US Israeli stooge

This time Putin is trying to start a new relationship

a reply to: CSISvictim

Why would Putin start a relationship with Harper when Trudeau is the PM.

Facts are your friend.

a reply to: korath

Maybe because they weren't refugees, they didn't matter as much.

I think he should have accepted the help, and i'm sure the peoples who's homes were burning would have agreed.

a reply to: awareness10

Knowing the timeline of this fire might be a helpful aide to understanding when, exactly, Fort Mac got hit by this fire and when, exactly, Russia so gracefully offered their assistance.

originally posted by: M5xaz
False.

Your boy PM Justin is the one that not only already refused Russia's (and the US and Mexico's help), but also refuses to go visit Fort McMurray, currently by far the biggest crisis in Canada.

Why?

Alberta does not vote Liberal, and Justin the prick's attitude is to "punish" Albertans for it.

And Justin has only been in power a few weeks.

Justin and the Liberals.
Despicable, like NO other

As an Albertan...I say horse$hit.

What would be the point of him visiting? A photo op? A grandiose show of how much he loves Alberta?

Screw that!

The last thing we need is to take crews from critical tasks to ensure that a suited VIP can do a safe walk around/photo op.

The best thing all politicians can do, is keep a distance until the emergency teams have completed their tasks, and the area is declared safe.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
and its entirely possible more aid wont be effective. Having 50 aircraft able to fight fires does no good when only a few can be safely used at any given time. Secondly I doubt Trudeau is the one deciding these issues on his own. You take your cue from the locals on the ground, ask them what they need, then get them the resources.

I am sure he has a better understanding of whats going on, whats needed, and whats not needed, than any of us. Until we hear local / provincial governments screaming at Ottawa I think we should defer to their judgement.

Eh...yes and no. We have lots of aircraft operating, but (always a but, eh?) none of them comparable in size to what California and Russia offered (I don't know if sending in a retired Mars would have been prudent, sorry BC, but thanks!).

If it was my personal call, I would have taken both of them up on the offer, just to get some large capacity craft on site. Even if they weren't used primarily on the beast, but to maintain evacuation routes.

More importantly, I would have welcomed more boots on the ground!

As for politicians screaming...well, give it time. I'm sure the political hay will be made very quickly over the next coming weeks, and personally, I do have some complaints with WB and AB politicians in how they handled this.

By Thursday, Fort Mac was already evacuated (except for those who refused to go).

The fire had moved away from the city and the focus began to be on southern communities like Anzac.

Here's the timeline:

globalnews.ca...

And here's when Russia made the offer:

On Thursday, Russian Minister of Civil Defense, Emergencies and Disaster Relief Vladimir Puchkov said that Moscow was ready to send firefighting aircraft to Canada to help deal with the Alberta wildfire

Read more: sputniknews.com...

Now that the fire is expending itself in the Boreal Forest, lets look at some facts:

Canada has:
28% of the world’s boreal zone – that's 552 million hectares
75% of all of its forests and woodlands in the boreal zone – that’s 307 million hectares in total

6. The boreal forest isn’t “ancient” wilderness
Canada’s boreal forest is often portrayed as one vast tract of ancient, pristine wilderness but this isn’t the case. Although the boreal region itself is ancient, the boreal forest:

is made up mostly of trees that are relatively young compared with many that grow in more temperate climates
is regularly affected by forest fire, insects and other natural disturbances
continually renews itself through these natural disturbances



7. Forest fires, insects and diseases help the boreal forest
The boreal forest needs natural disturbances such as forest fires and outbreaks of insects and disease. These disturbances:

remove aged trees from the forest
expose the land to sunlight again
allow the next group of trees to germinate and grow into a new forest
release nutrients from the trees

www.nrcan.gc.ca...

It'll burn itself out with the changing weather conditions.

originally posted by: masqua
By Thursday, Fort Mac was already evacuated (except for those who refused to go).

The fire had moved away from the city and the focus began to be on southern communities like Anzac.

Here's the timeline:

globalnews.ca...

And here's when Russia made the offer...

I think it could be argued that a state of emergency should have been declared a bit sooner. Nobody is going to offer assistance when they don't even know there is an emergency.

Just my opinion, but I think a little too much 'we can handle this ourselves' was in play, when a more prudent approach would have been applicable.

a reply to: peck420

I don't doubt that one bit. There seems to have been a little overconfidence the night before the morning panic. Something occurred over that first night which took all those responsible by surprise.

originally posted by: masqua
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Don't forget the dangerous fly-overs by Russian fighters, buzzing American warships and NATO aircraft.

I really don't want Russian pilots buzzing Canadian towns and cities .

As long as you keep your cities out of international waters in the Baltic, there shouldn't be a problem.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

That all depends on if Russia decides to 'free' a NATO country.

i hope putin doesnt think all canadians are jerks just because our pm is one. anybody else would say yes with open arms. im sorry they have to deal with this joke of a pm. we need all the help we can get, this fire is not contained.

a reply to: JourneymanWelder

It was more than just Russian aid that was turned down. If the aid is not needed then why accept it? The US turned down aid from 9/11 as well as from Hurricane Katrina. While the offers are nice turning them down doesn't automatically mean there is some other evil intent behind the decision.

Ironic that turning down Russian aid is only being highlighted while the fact they turned down aid from Mexico, the U.S. and several other countries were also denied.

Russia / Pro Russians really need to stop with the poor Russia bs.

These images are from the 12th and 15th and posted today. Earth Observatory does not publish images in real-time for the public; at least none that I've ever seen and I've been on their mailing list for several years.

Wildfires still scarring the land around Ft. McMurray

a reply to: MALBOSIA


sounds like Russian just wants to help out whats wrong with that? at least its not china