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Ted Cruz: "The Donald Trump campaign doesn't know what they're doing."

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posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



...and yet he is 300 delegates ahead. It's actually amazing what he has achieved. From 17 candidates he is the only one left who can get to 1237 delegates, having not run for office before. The charge he doesn't know what he is doing is somewhat hollow and I have to say, over emotional.


The fact that he is ahead is irrelevant to the point at hand. He did not know what he was doing in Colorado and paid the price for it. Cruz is correct in that aspect.



I think I would agree that he does not not know enough about the delegate process in states where all the people don't get the opportunity to vote for a candidate, but that is a different charge and plays less to the general emotional outbust of 'he doesn't know what he is doing'.


So you admit he doesn't know what he was doing, yet try to refute the claim that he didn't know what he was doing.




Those kind of childish outbursts have been very much a feature of Cruz's campaign recently. He cant seem to let go of his anger.


Sure. I'm not sure what this adds to the conversation, other than to make yourself feel better about Trump's proven ignorance. I suppose it's easier to attack Cruz than it is to come to terms with reality.


You seem unable to separate not knowing about the Colorado process with a more general statement about 'not knowing what he is doing'

Why is that? It sounds like you are being over emotional and letting your hate cloud logical thinking. You have a track record of that.


C'mon, UK. You can do better than that. I expect you to at least try. If one is unable to adequately debate their position without ad hominem attacks, it is reasonable to conclude an emotional connection to the topic at hand exists. That would explain your deflection.

Care to address the topic at hand, in which you have already conceded Trump's ignorance, or will you continue to deflect with personal attacks?




posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: mkultra11

Actually what Cruz is doing is playing by the corrupt and slanted rules.

Is the establishment backing Cruz now to an extent, sure. Does the establishment like Cruz, hell no. Don't think if this goes to a brokered convention they will stand by Cruz.they will insert their shill.

Don't forget Cruz stood up against the establishment when Bush (his former boss too) was in office and won a case in the supreme court as well in the world court to prosecute an illegal alien who killed someone. Also during the government shut down fiasco, and why did he do that? Because that was part of the platform he was voted in to do.

What Cruz is doing now is talking to the delegates to win their favor when they become unbound. Not corrupt, strategy within the rules.

The rules are based upon the states and I feel like they are wrong, but if you are trying to win something as important such as the presidency, what the hell do you expect him to do? Stand on a pedestal and cry out everything is rigged?



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth




People are not totally stupid.


I wouldn't go that far, there are some Hillary supporters.

Cruz is a step above Hillary but in the end will likely give you the same presidency as each other in favor of the Oligarch.

Trump and Sander are the only ones that will break the mold , good or bad is the question?

Personally despite disagreeing with Sanders policies and socialist views, I lean more towards him then trump.

Trump is all over the place and I have a hard time believing anything he says. Although, I take trump over cruz and Hillary who will give us more of the same.

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posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

And Cruz knows what he's doing?
Does he know his blind ambition will likely destroy the Republican party?

If he does know, he needs to learn too campaign from jail.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



...and yet he is 300 delegates ahead. It's actually amazing what he has achieved. From 17 candidates he is the only one left who can get to 1237 delegates, having not run for office before. The charge he doesn't know what he is doing is somewhat hollow and I have to say, over emotional.


The fact that he is ahead is irrelevant to the point at hand. He did not know what he was doing in Colorado and paid the price for it. Cruz is correct in that aspect.



I think I would agree that he does not not know enough about the delegate process in states where all the people don't get the opportunity to vote for a candidate, but that is a different charge and plays less to the general emotional outbust of 'he doesn't know what he is doing'.


So you admit he doesn't know what he was doing, yet try to refute the claim that he didn't know what he was doing.




Those kind of childish outbursts have been very much a feature of Cruz's campaign recently. He cant seem to let go of his anger.


Sure. I'm not sure what this adds to the conversation, other than to make yourself feel better about Trump's proven ignorance. I suppose it's easier to attack Cruz than it is to come to terms with reality.


You seem unable to separate not knowing about the Colorado process with a more general statement about 'not knowing what he is doing'

Why is that? It sounds like you are being over emotional and letting your hate cloud logical thinking. You have a track record of that.


C'mon, UK. You can do better than that. I expect you to at least try. If one is unable to adequately debate their position without ad hominem attacks, it is reasonable to conclude an emotional connection to the topic at hand exists. That would explain your deflection.

Care to address the topic at hand, in which you have already conceded Trump's ignorance, or will you continue to deflect with personal attacks?




My posts adequately address the topic at hand.

I am pleased you seem to now be changing your statement of 'Trump doesn't know what he is doing' with 'Trump did not know know what he was doing in Colorado'. It shows some maturity that you are able to learn from others and adjust your thinking, so kudos for that and I am genuinely glad I helped you.

I think Cruz also needs to dial back now on his over emotional statements. If he doesn't he will continue to fall in the polls and continue to dance to Trumps tune.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth



My posts adequately address the topic at hand.


So from your posts we learn that Trump didn't know what he was doing, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing.

Check.



I am pleased you seem to now be changing your statement of 'Trump doesn't know what he is doing' with 'Trump did not know know what he was doing in Colorado'.


I've said nothing of the sort. You wouldn't be making things up, now would you?



It shows some maturity that you are able to learn from others and adjust your thinking, so kudos for that and I am genuinely glad I helped you.


The only thing more noticeable than your inability to logically debate without deflection is your arrogance. You may want to have that checked out. Arrogance is a killer.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: anon72

The vice pres doesn't get to lead. He's a spare we keep in the trunk in case we need it.
I think it will be Mark Warner with Hillary but I'm partial as I'm a Virginian .



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:39 AM
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If that's true, the Trump team is on one hell of a lucky streak. Imagine how much farther ahead they'd be if they actually knew what they were doing.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



My posts adequately address the topic at hand.


So from your posts we learn that Trump didn't know what he was doing, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing.

Check.



I am pleased you seem to now be changing your statement of 'Trump doesn't know what he is doing' with 'Trump did not know know what he was doing in Colorado'.


I've said nothing of the sort. You wouldn't be making things up, now would you?



It shows some maturity that you are able to learn from others and adjust your thinking, so kudos for that and I am genuinely glad I helped you.


The only thing more noticeable than your inability to logically debate without deflection is your arrogance. You may want to have that checked out. Arrogance is a killer.


Do you not find it reasonable to say that Trump didn't know enough about the Colorado process, but overall knows what he is doing in this election? Is that hard to comprehend? Why do you have to be so black and white.. it's a sign of letting your emotions run your thought process. If one were to achieve 95% on an exam paper, would they 'not know what they were doing' because of the 5% they got wrong?. Emotion is causing you to focus on the '5%' and ignore the fact Trump is winning comfortably.

You did indeed evolve into being specific about Colorado, after your initial emotional statements. No need to be defensive about that. Its a good thing to evolve and learn.

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posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 09:50 AM
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I think Trump knew EXACTLY what the rules were in Colorado. IMO he looked at how much time and money would need to be spent there and said "NOPE! Let's just use them as an example of how insiders work against the people." Sure, it's a calculated risk since every delegate counts in this close race but Trump is a business man. He looked at the ROI and decided to spend his money and time elsewhere. Just my opinion.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth



Do you not find it reasonable to say that Trump didn't know enough about the Colorado process, but overall knows what he is doing in this election? Is that hard to comprehend?


No, it's not hard to comprehend, but that does not mean it is true.



Why do you have to be so black and white.. it's a sign of letting your emotions run your thought process.


Emotion-filled statements would be a sign of letting emotions run the thought process. None of my statements have been emotional in nature. That tactic and argument is what you use in an attempt to invoke emotional responses. It's rather disingenuous and exhausting. A tactic of the pigeon, if you will.



You did indeed evolve into being specific about Colorado, after your initial emotional statements. No need to be defensive about that. Its a good thing to evolve and learn.


Colorado is an example in which one could make the case that Cruz was correct in his assertion. Does that mean Trump has absolutely no clue what he is doing? No. But it does mean that Cruz's comments were not completely unfounded.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



Do you not find it reasonable to say that Trump didn't know enough about the Colorado process, but overall knows what he is doing in this election? Is that hard to comprehend?


No, it's not hard to comprehend, but that does not mean it is true.



Why do you have to be so black and white.. it's a sign of letting your emotions run your thought process.


Emotion-filled statements would be a sign of letting emotions run the thought process. None of my statements have been emotional in nature. That tactic and argument is what you use in an attempt to invoke emotional responses. It's rather disingenuous and exhausting. A tactic of the pigeon, if you will.



You did indeed evolve into being specific about Colorado, after your initial emotional statements. No need to be defensive about that. Its a good thing to evolve and learn.


Colorado is an example in which one could make the case that Cruz was correct in his assertion. Does that mean Trump has absolutely no clue what he is doing? No. But it does mean that Cruz's comments were not completely unfounded.



Do you think Trump knows what he is doing in the campaign overall, or not?
Your initial statement suggested you thought not, but seems to now be more focused on Colorado. Were you just talking specifically about a particular are of the overall campaign before?



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth



Do you think Trump knows what he is doing in the campaign overall, or not? Your initial statement suggested you thought not, but seems to now be more focused on Colorado. Were you just talking specifically about a particular are of the overall campaign before?


My opinion does not matter. As I said before, we have evidence of Trump's ignorance and it is not therefore unreasonable to say that Cruz's comments were not unfounded.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



Do you think Trump knows what he is doing in the campaign overall, or not? Your initial statement suggested you thought not, but seems to now be more focused on Colorado. Were you just talking specifically about a particular are of the overall campaign before?


My opinion does not matter. As I said before, we have evidence of Trump's ignorance and it is not therefore unreasonable to say that Cruz's comments were not unfounded.


Cruz has commented broadly about Trumps campaign not knowing what they are doing, not just relating to Colorado. His latest comment was ' his campaign could not run a lemonade stand' [sic].

The OP is about more than Colorado, therefore the question is very valid and Cruz's comments are unfounded and appear to be an emotional outburst. Like I said, Trump is beating him, so saying he does not know what he is doing seems a stretch.

You have already given your opinion. You said Trump does not what he is doing.



Lots of emotional responses here. Whether you like Cruz or not, all you have to do is look at Colorado to see that his assertion is correct. Trump did not/does not know what he is doing.


You used Colorado, but its not clear whether you are only talking about that instance or whether you share Cruz's more general view. Given Colorado has passed your statement that Trump does not know what he is doing would seem to be a more general and overly emotional statement (like Cruz's), which is why I disagree with you.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 12:10 PM
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Cruz really want's to talk about who doesn't know what they are doing?



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth



You have already given your opinion. You said Trump does not what he is doing.


No I did not. Read it again.



. Whether you like Cruz or not, all you have to do is look at Colorado to see that his assertion is correct. Trump did not/does not know what he is doing.


That was Cruz's assertion.



You used Colorado, but its not clear whether you are only talking about that instance or whether you share Cruz's more general view.


My personal view is irrelevant.



Given Colorado has passed your statement that Trump does not know what he is doing would seem to be a more general and overly emotional statement (like Cruz's), which is why I disagree with you.


Did Trump drop the ball in Colorado? Yes. Apparently he did not know what the hell was going on. You have admitted as much. Therefore Colorado serves as precedent for someone like Cruz to make the statement he did, without it being unfounded. It's actually that simple.

I know you are trying to inject the "emotion" aspect to draw attention from Trump and place it on either Cruz or myself, but it really has no place in this debate. It's a red herring, if you will. A logical fallacy.
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posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



You have already given your opinion. You said Trump does not what he is doing.


No I did not. Read it again.



. Whether you like Cruz or not, all you have to do is look at Colorado to see that his assertion is correct. Trump did not/does not know what he is doing.


That was Cruz's assertion.



You used Colorado, but its not clear whether you are only talking about that instance or whether you share Cruz's more general view.


My personal view is irrelevant.



Given Colorado has passed your statement that Trump does not know what he is doing would seem to be a more general and overly emotional statement (like Cruz's), which is why I disagree with you.


Did Trump drop the ball in Colorado? Yes. Apparently he did not know what the hell was going on. You have admitted as much. Therefore Colorado serves as precedent for someone like Cruz to make the statement he did, without it being unfounded. It's actually that simple.

I know you are trying to inject the "emotion" aspect to draw attention from Trump and place it on either Cruz or myself, but it really has no place in this debate. It's a red herring, if you will. A logical fallacy.


Your statement was clear. You said Trump does not know what he is doing. I was just unsure whether you meant it or whether it was an emotional outburst. As a general statement it's quite clearly untrue, but I can understand the emotions that could drive Cruz, or you, to say that.

Simply, Cruz has no basis for his claims like 'Trump couldn't run a lemonade stand' [sic]. The OP is about his broad view, not just Colorado.

I will use my analogy again - in an exam, would you say a person achieving 95% did not know what they are doing because they got 5% wrong?
If you take the election as it stands, Trump is so far clear he is acing his exam, whilst Cruz is struggling to get a C-. He gave a good answer on the question of how to exploit the party rules but he's flunked everything else. Trump meanwhile is heading for an A+.

Trump is already 300 delegates ahead and here's the odds for the next 5... it sure looks like he knows what he is doing. Cruz on the other hand looks to be sinking with his C-.


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posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: Konduit
Cruz really want's to talk about who doesn't know what they are doing?


Excellent video - it shows the character of these two men very clearly.



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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The same people that applauded Cruz and cheered him on and called him a stand up guy just a few short years ago, in reaction to his fighting for the 2nd amendment, standing on the senate floor virtually on his own, once with Rand Paul. Saying what a credit he was to the nation are now calling him a slimeball, crooked politician, creepy guy, and lying Ted.

Why?

Trump!

Whats this say about those peoples honesty and principles, Honestly I watch this, and even though Im Fiorina, Paul supporter, I feel like Ted has more principles and stronger values than Trump and his supporters.

Youre mad because Ted knows what he is doing, and calling it unfair because Trump didnt do his due diligence on what it takes to run. Blame blame slander blame.

You dont have to like the rules to learn them and win.

And you cant blame Cruz for Trumps missteps in the race.

Trump cant figure out how this works, but hes suppose to navigate foreign policy, fix the economy, bring back jobs, build a wall, fix the Tax system

But you dont want him held accountable when he cant even get his own damn campaign on the same page to figure out the election process?

Honestly what the heck is wrong with you Trump supporters, you have positively lost your brains in favor of what amounts to messiah worship



posted on Apr, 20 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: UMayBRite!
a reply to: Profusion

And Cruz knows what he's doing?
Does he know his blind ambition will likely destroy the Republican party?

If he does know, he needs to learn too campaign from jail.


Good it needs to be torn apart.

In jail for WHAT exactly? What has he done thats illegal?

Would you hold Trump up to the same light? Because im sure if we start really digging in his past (which the democrats already are I guarantee you in preparation if he gets the nomination) I bet we find a plethora of illegal dealings. what with a man as "accomplished" as he is in backroom deals, buying off politicians, and dealing with the mob in NY.
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