Christian worker loses appeal after 'giving book to Muslim colleague'

a reply to: JDmOKI

So what if she handed her a book on rejecting religion is that also grounds for firing?

Prosylization is, apparently. Obviously, the woman was trying to convert the Muslin lady, ergo the book. I would imagine that the Muslim lady was trying to maintain a friendly relationship and was willing to answer the Christian lady's questions about her Muslim faith, until the Christian violated her boundaries.

I feel that although the Muslim woman could have just firmly stated that she was not interested-she should not have been placed in that position in the first place.The workplace is for being friendly but professional and best avoiding subjects like politics or religion-subjects that are famous for causing strife between people,because they are Tools of Division-especially religion.There are churches,mosques and synagogues for that type of nonsense-religion and yabbering on about religion does not belong in the workplace.

a reply to: mirageman

"I felt... there was some injustice to what had happened and I felt that this was an avenue where I could stand and say, I would like it to be heard that this doesn't seem to be as it ought to be in a country where we are supposed to be able to be free with each other," she said.

I think we can say byebye to those days when we could talk freely with each other.

Lesson learned.

FFS if anyone or any religion (ideology) needs to be coerced it is the target of none other than the one of this OP. Please tell me what other so called religion forces women to wear the contraptions that this one does? What other ideology segregates women from men and gets away with it and is even supported by feminists and lefties? How can a leftist society support such a backwards ideology as this support their backwards ways when they despise everything they stand for and will oneday, (when the time is ripe) show them how much their ideology is hated by them.
Christians have tried to influence and bring in believers since the beginning of this age and Islam has been doing the same hover a non-believer of islam according to the Qu'ran to a fiery Hell forever and to roast and be tortured, but a Christian non-believer can ask for forgiveness from God for the sins committed in this life and still be a child of God.

I will take the Christian god every time. For those who believe there is no God may he have mercy on your soul. In the end nothing else matters...

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: mirageman

"I felt... there was some injustice to what had happened and I felt that this was an avenue where I could stand and say, I would like it to be heard that this doesn't seem to be as it ought to be in a country where we are supposed to be able to be free with each other," she said.

I think we can say byebye to those days when we could talk freely with each other.

Lesson learned.

Perhaps over in Sissyland where this happened, but not where I work. My crew is an extremely diverse bunch of Christians, Atheists, Blacks, Whites, Latinos, and Lesbians.....

and we dog each other and laugh all day long. We're also the very best at what we do if I must say so myself.

a reply to: windword

Again, you are making the assumption that all the initiation was on the Christian woman's part, that there was no reason at all to think the Muslim woman was in any way receptive or taking part in these discussions in a manner that encouraged these interactions.

You are operating off the paradigm that all Christians just can't wait to shove our religion down some poor benighted person's throat because it's just what we do which simply displays your prejudice.

There just isn't enough information here to really support that.

In fact, we don't even really know how the two started interacting or why. For all any of us know, the Muslim started it (and I'm not saying she did because we don't know). It's all just so much speculation, but it is telling how many people will automatically assume the worst of the Christian, no matter what.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Gryphon66

For some reason I feel like if the lady was an atheist instead of Christian you would be outraged.

What does that have to do with anything ... again?

1. Note what I stated, clearly, several times ... the workplace is not the place to share or try to testify about religious beliefs.

2. And just one more time, 1,385,609,056th verse same as the first, atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief.

a reply to: ketsuko

Again, you are making the assumption that all the initiation was on the Christian woman's part, that there was no reason at all to think the Muslim woman was in any way receptive or taking part in these discussions in a manner that encouraged these interactions.

Christians have a mandate to "preach and convert", Muslims don't. As I said, I would imagine that the Muslim woman was trying to maintain a cordial, friendly relationship with her co-worker, but I'm sure that the Christian lady took that to mean that she had a green light to tell this woman that her religion wasn't "good enough" and that she "needs" to accept Jesus.

You are operating off the paradigm that all Christians just can't wait to shove our religion down some poor benighted person's throat because it's just what we do which simply displays your prejudice. There just isn't enough information here to really support that.

We know from the OP that the Christian woman repeatedly asked the Muslim woman to "pray". Really? Did she really need to ask a Muslim, who is already supposed to pray 5 times a day, to pray? Did she tell her how to pray, what to pray for? I bet she did, and asked about the results, to boot! After all, the Muslim woman did claim "bullying" and harassment".

Her employer saw fit to let her go. Seems like it's the Christian woman is the one needing to pray now.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko

My allegations??? By the woman's OWN words she was proselytizing.

BOTH women discusses relgion at work BOTH would be guilty of that If that was actually the case. She wasnt holding sermons or grabbing anyone and shaking them saying Satan b e gone was she?

Utterly false.

A Christian health worker in the NHS has lost her appeal against a ruling which suspended her for giving a religious book to a Muslim colleague.

and not just "a religious book" ...

She had given her a book about a Muslim woman's encounter with Christianity and asked her to church.

BBC

She [the complainant] also alleged an incident when Miss Wasteney [the Christian "missionary"] put her hand on her knee in a prayer that lasted for 10 minutes, asking God to come to her. The colleague said she felt like she was being groomed.

BBC - Christian health worker says NHS made her 'look crazy'

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Annee

If that's company policy I think a warning would have taken care of the situation.

I would suspect with this Christian woman it was not the first offense.

I'm not stating that, just suspect.

a reply to: mirageman

Maybe things work differently in the UK than in the US. You certainly don't try to convert co-workers here, but if you were weird enough to do so, it wouldn't be grounds for any sort of discipline unless you continued after the attempted convertee made it clear (directly or through a manager or human resources) that they weren't comfortable with what you were doing.

Typically, to make your discomfort ("hostile work environment") official, you would do so through human resources or your management. For something not egregious like this, as opposed to something like unwelcome butt-slapping, the "perpetrator" would then be informed they must cease and desist the behavior, but would not be "in trouble" for having done what they did. If they continued once it had been made clear the co-worker didn't like what you were doing, THEN, you would proceed to disciplinary action, possibly including termination.

What she was doing could absolutely be considered creating a hostile work environment, BUT, if the co-worker didn't say she was bothered by it to her or "appropriate channels", I don't think she is deserving of anything beyond being told to cut it out. Only if she continued, knowing it was making her co-worker uncomfortable, should she be disciplined or removed.

Nobody should have to encounter that in the workplace, but I can understand there being people who don't realize how wildly inappropriate it is until they're told.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Annee

Was there a policy of no religion at work?

If so, then I'm curious as to how the Muslim woman dressed for work.

In the food processing plant where I worked, several women wore skirts in place of the regulation pants because of their Christian religion against women wearing pants.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yea well people do it and always will. How did she know she was a muslim? Headscarf I'm actually curious.

And I know what Atheism means... people these days tell me they're atheist far more than anyone religious

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: mirageman

"I felt... there was some injustice to what had happened and I felt that this was an avenue where I could stand and say, I would like it to be heard that this doesn't seem to be as it ought to be in a country where we are supposed to be able to be free with each other," she said.

I think we can say byebye to those days when we could talk freely with each other.

Lesson learned.

Perhaps over in Sissyland where this happened, but not where I work. My crew is an extremely diverse bunch of Christians, Atheists, Blacks, Whites, Latinos, and Lesbians.....

and we dog each other and laugh all day long. We're also the very best at what we do if I must say so myself.

This is exactly why there isn't a specific set of DO's and DONT's. Different people and groups of people have different opinions of what is acceptable.

In the corporate environments I've been in, the "questionable" stuff was always kept within groups known to be OK with the kind of things that would be said and done. Out of sight/sound to everyone else.

I worked in a freight brokerage that was all-male and 2 very "butch" lesbians on the sales and operations floor. Yelling something across the room like, "Scott, I swear, if you book that load before me, I'm gonna chop your head off and (#2) down your throat!" was totally acceptable (and common!)

I worked in a restaurant for 5 years where it was common practice for waitresses to give you a "ball-tap" instead of saying "excuse me" if they needed to get past you in the corridor. "Honking" a boob (like honking a kid's nose) was a standard greeting. Extremely vulgar innuendo was constant, and good-natured threats of horrible acts of violence towards someone slowing you down were as common as fake smiles in the corporate hallway.

In those examples, we all knew if anyone felt uncomfortable with it, we'd have to stop the "inappropriate" stuff. At the restaurant, there were times when someone worked there who we could tell wasn't a fellow degenerate, so when they were working, we'd respect it. Handling any work situation in a way that nobody has to feel uncomfortable is the right way to be.

Working in a place where everyone is ok with ridiculousness, like my restaurant and freight brokerage gigs is awesome, but that environment should never persist around someone who isn't comfortable with it. I'm glad the lines are allowed to be blurred to fit the personnel. It's why offended parties need to complain first, so that others can know that they need to adjust their behavior. Nobody should be blind-sided with no-warning disciplinary action.

Damn I miss my restaurant and freight brokerage days lol.

a reply to: Gryphon66

No it IS NOT false. BOTH women talked about relgion a t work READ THE BLEEPING OP AND THE STORY. Oh wait thats too much trouble to go back and re read pages in the past right?

BOTH WERE AT FAULT IN MY OPINION.

@windward. You do know that Muhammed also mandated that Islam be preached to th eworld too so thats a two way street. And YOu are to witness but not push your relgion on others as well. God wants willing converts not pressure into it people.

From the National Secular Society.

The rest of the story

The NSS said at the time that there was probably more to this story than was being revealed by the Christian Legal Centre and, indeed, there is. Much more. We have obtained a copy of the tribunal judgment and it tells the whole story of Ms Wasteney's determined evangelism in the psychiatric hospital where she worked. She started work in the hospital in 2007. In 2011 she approached her line manager, Mr Wilson and asked whether "the Trust could provide a Christian Worship Service at the John Howard Centre." She suggested that this could be provided by her church – The Christian Revival Church. After consulting the chaplain, Mr Wilson agreed to the idea for a probationary period, only on the understanding that the services would be "ecumenical" in nature, so it would have broad appeal and that all Christians who wanted to could attend. Within weeks of the church arriving in the hospital complaints began to arrive on Mr Wilson's desk about the nature of the services it was conducting. The Matron said that staff who were escorting patients to the services were being pressurised to participate in the worship and give their personal details. This is how the tribunal judgment then describes what happened: . . .

www.secularism.org.uk...

a reply to: yuppa

I did read the story. Did you? Why do you try to reduce EVERYTHING to your opinion? Who do you think cares about your OPINION?

These are the known FACTS:

The Christian 1) offered books about "a Muslim converting to Christianity" to a Muslim co-worker 2) apparently witnessed to the Muslim lady on regular occasions 3) trapped her in a prayer-lock for more than 10 minutes while Miss Missionary prayed for God to open the complainant's eyes (to the "truth" of Christianity and/or the "falsehood" of Islam).

You can WISH the situation to be the same, you can IMAGINE that this lady didn't go WAY OVER the line into workplace proselytizing but you are WRONG ON ALL COUNTS.

By the way TYPING IN CAPS doesn't MEAN ANYTHING EITHER.

a reply to: Annee

Excellent work Annee.

Waiting for the Christian apologists to come in and claim these facts are somehow biased against Miss Missionary in 3....2....1

a reply to: Annee
Wow, the one man involved in the mentioned report has a website where he promulgates his belief in ancient aliens, and he has youtube videos where he claims to channel frequencies from Orion...

Spiritual Care coordinators in Britain have greater problems that Christian cultists and shy Muslims, methinks.