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Cruz snaring Trump's Arizona delegates

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posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

Of course one fly in the ointment there would be if the FBI finishes their investigation and manage to bring charges against here. Another would be if there is serious charges there and there is a cover-up. And then someone leaks all to the press.

Imagine Trump or Cruz talking about the unindicted criminal Hillary and her crimes at every debate and stump speech. I don't think she has a chance.




posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 02:06 PM
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I dont wish for any of these losers to be president.

COMMENCE ALIEN INVASION!



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

So the next step after this election, using it as a reference is to demand that the popular vote be made binding.

Direct democracy.

Let them steal this. It will be the means to that end.

Its perfect



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

It's pretty well accepted that primaries and caucuses pretty much mean diddly squat when it comes to the adherence to the voice of the people. Different states have different guidelines as to how delegates are divided up, there are delegates and "super" delegates, etc. Not to mention that, in general, the delegate selection process is very odd and vague.

And then after that, even when a nominee is chosen, then we have to deal with the Electoral College, which again has differing laws for each state as to how they must vote, and it's those votes that actually elect the president.

It's not impossible to understand your frustration.

But I agree with some who say that the party proper is its own private organization and can be run the way that organization deems fit, so if it really does piss enough people off, they'll form a new part with better rules and ideas.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad

Your crackpot analysis makes no sense.

You realize that Trump is getting record crossover votes from both democrats and independents, right?

Trump is also polling better with hispanic and black voters than any GOP candidate in recent history.

And Trump even polled better among muslim voters than any other republican candidate.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

None of these shennanigans will matter when Trump crosses the 1237 threshold.

Votes do matter and the media is doing their damndest to discourage voter turnout that will help Trump reach 1237.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

Then the city folk get to pick the president every time. New York and California would be choosing everything for everybody.
They usually vote the way I vote anyway but for some people their voice would never be heard.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Nope.

A total tally. How beyond trying to over complicate it will that not work?

I say remove all delegates. Have a direct tally of ALL votes.

Its still 100% of the people and is most democratic.

Its not the 1700s anymore.

As it is Trump can make a new party based on all the voters he brought out. Many from rural america, showing they have the numbers to sway elections


edit on 4 4 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: MrSpad

Your crackpot analysis makes no sense.

You realize that Trump is getting record crossover votes from both democrats and independents, right?

Trump is also polling better with hispanic and black voters than any GOP candidate in recent history.

And Trump even polled better among muslim voters than any other republican candidate.


You have clearly been listening to Trump and not actually looking at polls because the truth is the exact opposite. 68% unfavorable over all 70% unfavorable among women, 80% unfavorable among Hispanics, 79% unfavorable among African Americans and his unfavorables among Democrats and Independents are also in the high 70s. Trump least popular politicain in 3 decades He is so unpopular that not only does the GOP fear losing the Senate, State and local elections but the House now as well. Trump could hand the Democrats not only the White House, The Senate, The House, state and local elections but, with a Supreme Court judge spot open the DNC could put in anybody they wanted.
Trump has great cross over all right, except everybody is crossing over to avoid him.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: MrSpad

Your crackpot analysis makes no sense.

You realize that Trump is getting record crossover votes from both democrats and independents, right?

Trump is also polling better with hispanic and black voters than any GOP candidate in recent history.

And Trump even polled better among muslim voters than any other republican candidate.



......and do you realize he's only polling about 26% of women voters. Hillary would crush him in the women's vote.



Overall, 73% of female voters in a mid-March CNN/ORC poll said they had a negative view of Trump, just 26% view him positively

www.cnn.com...



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: UnBreakable

None of these shennanigans will matter when Trump crosses the 1237 threshold.

Votes do matter and the media is doing their damndest to discourage voter turnout that will help Trump reach 1237.


Trump will not get the 1237 needed by Cleveland. Cruz is going to beat Trump like a redheaded stepchild in WI tomorrow.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

We shall see.

Polls have been showing the Cruz lead diminishing each day.

This latest poll show Trump taking the lead in Wisconsin.

Cruz 32%
Kasich 23%
Trump 42%
Other *
Undecided 3%

americanresearchgroup.com...



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
I dont wish for any of these losers to be president.

COMMENCE ALIEN INVASION!


No kidding. I thought McCain/Obama and Romney/Obama were bad. This is like a choice between getting kicked in the nuts or kneed in the nuts.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad

But... Trump is way ahead in the primaries. If he so unpopular, who do you think is voting?

The only ones saying he is unfavorable are the media and establishment.
And the sheep being fed with tweets and FB brainwashing propaganda that they repeat without understanding what they are saying.
Someone is voting. And more than for the other candidates.

ETA: In my state, news reports say people switched parties in record numbers, and new voters registered in record numbers - favoring Republican 2 to 1 over Democrat. And polls showed those registering Republican favor Trump.
Trump is bringing new voters to the Republican party. They should be thanking him!
edit on 4/4/16 by BlueAjah because: ETA



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: MrSpad

But... Trump is way ahead in the primaries. If he so unpopular, who do you think is voting?

The only ones saying he is unfavorable are the media and establishment.
And the sheep being fed with tweets and FB brainwashing propaganda that they repeat without understanding what they are saying.
Someone is voting. And more than for the other candidates.

ETA: In my state, news reports say people switched parties in record numbers, and new voters registered in record numbers - favoring Republican 2 to 1 over Democrat. And polls showed those registering Republican favor Trump.
Trump is bringing new voters to the Republican party. They should be thanking him!


Trump has maintained the same 30 to 40% of votes in the GOP with the majority of GOP voters deviding their votes among other candidates. So to be clear most GOP voters are voting for somebody other than Trump in the primaries. GOP voters make up 40% of registered voters. So you are only looking through primary voting Trump getting 20% of all voters support. For every voter Trump has brought to the GOP has driven out far more.

Right now the GOP is polling that if Trump takes the nomination 50% or less will vote for him in the election, about 30 to 40% will not vote at all and 10 to 20% will vote for Clinton.

People have been switching parties as they always do in the primaries but, over all the numbers pretty much even out and their is no trend in supporting a particular candidate, they tend to be all over the place.

The polls say he is unfavorable. That is not something you can misunderstand. Trump benefited from to many people running for the nomination dividing the vote and people refusing to leave the race. He has catered to small angry group of mostly white males with low incomes and without college degrees and by catering to them he has blamed everybody else for their problems. He constant disrespect of women also plays well to this group. However all that is also repulsive to most Americans which is why you have the lowest rated candidate since they started polling.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad

If it ends up with Hillary vs. Trump, I will wager that many Sanders fans will choose Trump over Hillary.

And Independents could not even vote in the primaries. More Independents would likely favor Trump over Hillary.

And, in the first primaries, there were more Republican candidates, so some of their votes are not counted in the stats of the remaining candidates. I imagine that they would vote for Trump to vote against Hillary.

So, you can't totally count on the primary stats to be the same in the general election.

ETA: Also - you can find "polls" with all kinds of results. They are not proof of results.
edit on 4/4/16 by BlueAjah because: ETA



posted on Apr, 5 2016 @ 01:35 AM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: MrSpad

If it ends up with Hillary vs. Trump, I will wager that many Sanders fans will choose Trump over Hillary.

And Independents could not even vote in the primaries. More Independents would likely favor Trump over Hillary.

And, in the first primaries, there were more Republican candidates, so some of their votes are not counted in the stats of the remaining candidates. I imagine that they would vote for Trump to vote against Hillary.

So, you can't totally count on the primary stats to be the same in the general election.

ETA: Also - you can find "polls" with all kinds of results. They are not proof of results.


Democrats and independents poll with Trump at over 70% unfavorable. Sanders supporters poll that if it is Clinton vs Trump, 52% will go Clinton, 19% Trump, the rest will not vote. That is of course before Sanders endorses Clinton which will improve her numbers.

To break it down polling shows us that 25% of Republican will defect and vote for Clinton in a Trump vs Clinton race. 7% of Democrats would defect and vote for Trump in a Trump vs Clinton race.

The fact is Trump polls as the least liked Candidate since polls started over 30 years ago. His numbers are so bad they will likely end the GOP as political power.

And you can find all kinds of polls however, once you look at the ones who use proper methodology and see the same numbers consistently over time you can not ignore them. Most people hate Trump and that dooms him at any chance of winning them back.

I should also add that polling through the primaries has been very accurate with no real surprises.
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posted on Apr, 5 2016 @ 02:00 AM
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so Trump plays dirty pool and its ok, placate, make excuses, promote violence, make peoples wives and family a target, personally insult people, use ever cloward and piven strategy, AND ITS ALL GOOD!

The moment it doesnt go in your favor THEN those that oppose you are bad? Where the HELL have your principles gone?

Christ what have you koolaid drinkers become...........
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posted on Apr, 5 2016 @ 06:12 AM
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Ha, but he's winning. You are believing some skewed poll instead of what is right in front of your eyes. You don't have to listen to Trump, look at the results. a reply to: MrSpad



posted on Apr, 5 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

Because there are more voters in the big cities those places will make the choice. The needs of city folk are not always in line with rural folks. States with lower populations get more electorates so that it evens things out . The popular vote in Oklahoma won't rival the popular vote in New York so Oklahoma gets more electorates to even things up. That way the popular vote in Oklahoma is equal to the popular vote in N.Y..

Unless your brother is Governor of Florida this works.



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