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Cruz snaring Trump's Arizona delegates

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posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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Why even vote? The people's choice means nothing. Trump won AZ by the popular vote, but now Cruz may get half the delegates. It all comes down who the party elites wants, people be damned.

"The New York businessman easily won last month's Arizona primary taking 47 percent to Cruz's 25 percent, scooping up all 58 of the state's delegates. That's nearly 5 percent of the 1,237 Trump needs for the nomination, and they're tied are to him on the first ballot.
But Cruz, exploiting deep opposition to Trump among grassroots Republicans, has been far more active in Arizona than Trump, insiders say. He's recruiting candidates for the available 55 delegate slots, that along with the other three delegate positions filled by party leaders, would be allowed to vote for him in a multi-ballot contested convention".

"Livingston said team Cruz is engaged in a furious round of phone calls, texts, emails and meetings as it attempts to place loyal delegates. The Phoenix-area Republican indicated that he would be thrilled with Cruz candidates winning 55 percent of the available delegate slots, but said the final results might be closer to splitting the delegation 50-50 with Trump. Flipping 29 of delegates out of 58, Livingston suggested, would be a major victory for Cruz".
www.washingtonexaminer.com...




posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable
Why even vote? The people's choice means nothing.


Their party, their rules. The voters should know this, it is a private organization.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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It sounds like they are trying to start some kind of uprising or revolution.
There is so much corruption its pitiful.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Why even vote? The people's choice means nothing.


Their party, their rules. The voters should know this, it is a private organization.



That's exactly my point. Why even vote?



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

The GOP have had these established rules for no winner take all states forever now I'm pretty sure.

There are only a handful of winner take all states, the rest are awarded based on the % of the popular vote gained by the candidates.

The same thing occurs on the Dem side as well.

~Tenth



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
The GOP have had these established rules for no winner take all states forever now I'm pretty sure.


The rule committee for the RNC will meet just prior to the convention kicking off to set the rules.

The rule is there are no rules and none of them have ever been challenged legally.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable
That's exactly my point. Why even vote?


Because people are caught in the two party paradigm without realizing they are two sides of the same coin.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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I don't care who you pull for, this should piss everyone off IMO. They are taking the nomination from Trump right in front of everyone's eyes. He isn't the party "darling" so they are going to pull out all of the stop to derail the "trumptrain". For all of those celebrating this, next time it will be your candidate.

If this is the way they want to run things, they should do away with caucuses and primaries for good.

As the late, great Carlin said... "You are given the illusion that you have a choice. You DON'T." He was a man ahead of his time and dead on the money on this subject.

I am no fan of Hillary, but if they were doing this to her... It would still be wrong. And in a way, they are doing this to Sanders. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore at this point.


originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

The rule is there are no rules.


And that... is the truest thing I have read for quite some time.

Keep the rules fluid so they can change them on a whim.

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posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
And that... is the truest thing I have read for quite some time.

Keep the rules fluid so they can change them on a whim.


That is the plan, they said as much.

Which is why I find it odd that people are shocked that two private organizations are rigging their game, 'Dey terk ur votes!'.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: UnBreakable

The GOP have had these established rules for no winner take all states forever now I'm pretty sure.

There are only a handful of winner take all states, the rest are awarded based on the % of the popular vote gained by the candidates.

The same thing occurs on the Dem side as well.

~Tenth


No, AZ is winner-take-all for the GOP.




Is The Arizona Primary Winner Take All? It All Comes Down To Your Party It is winner-take-all for the Republicans, but not for the Democrats.

www.bustle.com...#!

Here are the results before Cruz slimes his way to grabbing delegates from party elites switching their allegiance from the will of the people:



Donald Trump won the Arizona primary Tuesday night, collecting all of the state’s 58 delegates and keeping him on track to win the GOP presidential nomination on a first ballot.

www.washingtontimes.com...



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Why even vote? The people's choice means nothing.


Their party, their rules. The voters should know this, it is a private organization.

It's a private party, pass the glue please.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
It's a private party, pass the glue please.


See the other thread. I just brought the party size.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

I guess, if GOP is going where it seems to go, i.e. ripping itself, the time has come for a real T-party to emerge.

This T-party could fetch 20-30% of the vote for Congress - and that basically would mean they'd be in deciding role. Why is that? Well, GOP left-overs (ca another 20-30%) would require T-party support against Dems.

Not bad. Not bad at all.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 11:08 AM
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If the RNC acts like this, Trump has every right to run 3rd party.
Then we will see what happens



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
If the RNC acts like this, Trump has every right to run 3rd party.
Then we will see what happens


I completely agree. Unfortunately, it will mean a win for Hillary and a corrupt, establishment candidate continuing the last eight year agenda for another eight years.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
If the RNC acts like this, Trump has every right to run 3rd party.
Then we will see what happens


With Trump leaving the GOP would purge itself of the elements that a large part the GOP, the DNC and the Independents find so revolting. The GOP wants to be the party of Reagan where moderates and Democrats were much more likely to vote for a GOP candidate. Right now they are the party of Trump which means they are about to roll into one of the most disastrous elections in history.

As for the OP, everybody knows that if nobody has enough delegates after the first round that they can pretty do whatever they want. So anybody running in a close primary had better be making plans in case that happens. If Trump fails to do so that is on him. Honestly with candidates the GOP was stuck with I would not blame them for ending this experiment with voting in the primaries and just go back to picking the candidate themselves.

This is a year where Clinton could have been easily defeated by a moderate conservative from the GOP. All they would not have to do is not do anything really stupid and the GOP would have the White House, a stronger grip on the Senate and dominate at state and local elections. Instead they find themselves with a guy who most of America hates, and the are going to lose the senate and state and local elections. Because some how, some way the worst possible candidate is poised to take your nomination.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: BlueAjah
If the RNC acts like this, Trump has every right to run 3rd party.
Then we will see what happens


I completely agree. Unfortunately, it will mean a win for Hillary and a corrupt, establishment candidate continuing the last eight year agenda for another eight years.

That is almost doom porn.
Here is some doom porn:
Hillary is indicted.
Bernie Sanders gets the Democratic nomination.
Cruz gets the Republican nomination.
Bernie wins.
Doom.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Yeah, but I don't think many people paid as much attention to it until now. Usually the candidate with the most delegates usually got the nomination. I think this election cycle has raised many eyebrows.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: BlueAjah
If the RNC acts like this, Trump has every right to run 3rd party.
Then we will see what happens


I completely agree. Unfortunately, it will mean a win for Hillary and a corrupt, establishment candidate continuing the last eight year agenda for another eight years.

That is almost doom porn.
Here is some doom porn:
Hillary is indicted.
Bernie Sanders gets the Democratic nomination.
Cruz gets the Republican nomination.
Bernie wins.
Doom.


Logical scenario if not for the fact Hillary won't get indicted. TPTB have been waiting for this moment for the past eight years. She would have been POTUS eight years ago if not for the fact that a black politician ,who was palatable for public consumption, emerged and groomed to be the first black president. That trumped (pardon the pun) of having the first woman president. I guaranty that she won't be indicted.



posted on Apr, 4 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
That is almost doom porn.
Here is some doom porn:
Hillary is indicted.
Bernie Sanders gets the Democratic nomination.
Cruz gets the Republican nomination.
Bernie wins.
Doom.


I would be rather pleased with this.



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