Breaking the Commandments Pt2: ABORTION

a reply to: BlueAjah

If you have ever felt the kind of love a mother feels the instant she knows that there is a child growing inside, then you will know how wrong it is to take away that life.

Not all women fit your idealistic definition of a the feminine nurturing personality.

a reply to: windword

That is the problem.

If humanity had taken a better path, by now everyone would have been raised to respect life.
Birthing a child would be normal, and accepted, and people would never even consider murdering an unborn child.
It is the path we have been led down that has brought us to the place we are now.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Are you blaming the human condition on Eve?

a reply to: BlueAjah

I thought maybe for a while you might know something, til I read this part

"The correct thing would have been to teach women that if they truly are not ready for motherhood, that they can have their child and it will be embraced by society and raised by others with no stigma and no regrets"

Each state's foster care system is overloaded because people don't give a crap about living children. Until each child has a home and family your fantasies of loving and respecting a phantom is crazy.

a reply to: windword

hah, ummm no

I am saying that society has supposedly evolved. It should have by now.
The hope is that over the generations, humanity would be improving, getting better, more moral in every way.
But, sadly, that has not happened.

Accepting murder of innocents as a right or normal is just one symptom of a society that has gone down the wrong path in so many ways.
By now we should be getting better.
Instead we have hate, corruption, jealousy, .... so many traits that should have been reduced through evolution.

But one of the basics of humanity should be protecting our young, including our unborn. That is one of those innate, instinctual, things that should be a given by now. We should have found a way to make it work, in all circumstances.
Most animal species do a better job of that than humans.

a reply to: MOMof3

Very true that the ideal would be for every woman to be able to keep her child.
That would definitely be closer to a perfect world.

originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
a reply to: Teddy916

i think it crazy how killing a baby is seen as some kind of personnel freedom that heroic women/men had to fight for and secure for future generations.

do you see how warped our perception on reality is?

Yeah the west killed off its future generations, so we now need immigrants

a reply to: BlueAjah

Accepting murder of innocents as a right or normal is just one symptom of a society that has gone down the wrong path in so many ways. By now we should be getting better. Instead we have hate, corruption, jealousy, .... so many traits that should have been reduced through evolution.

I'm sorry. You're living a delusion of hope that you, nor your children, will ever realize. Time to embrace the reality of what is instead of lamenting what could, or should be.

Most animal species do a better job of that than humans.

Sigh.

INFANTICIDE: ANIMAL BEHAVIOR SCRUTINIZED FOR CLUES TO HUMANS

Ethologists, or animal behaviorists, however, know that infanticide is not confined to humans and that it is often practiced by animals. African wild dogs bite and kill infant dogs. Male lions will slay the offspring of a neighboring pride. Female gerbils will often kill and eat their young. Bears sometimes kill small cubs during the mating season. And many other species batter, slaughter and cannibalize their offspring.

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Underpopulation Not Overpopulation, The Real Global Problem - See more at: www.pop.org...

Japan Underpopulation
What is underpopulation?

It is not so much that Japan doesn't have enough people now as that they won't have enough in the future.
sites.google.com...
Poland has reversed its policy on abortion.

Also China.

China has officially lifted its one-child policy as part of its 13th five-year plan. The question is whether China can limit the negative economic effects of its population growth, despite having created the most lopsided population on the planet. In all likelihood, a two-child policy will not do it.
www.thefiscaltimes.com...
As a result of the one-child policy, China’s population is about 400 million people smaller than it would otherwise be. Over 20 percent of the population is over 55, and the number of younger people is plummeting. By 2050, the number of “senior” Chinese will equal Europe’s entire population and outstrip Americans of all ages!

a reply to: BlueAjah

www.cnn.com...

we have evolved, we've invented new and better ways to kill and maim children in mass...


if abortion is such a dreadful sin, just what is dropping napalm on entire villages filled with children? heck look up how they handled all the orphans and poor unwanted children in england not that long ago... many died from starvation and sickness. should we enslave the mass of he unwanted? when our population gets beyond our control, should we just decide to have another all out world war to cull the heard? which is preferable, the family that is too large dropping their kids off at a busy street corner to wander, send them down the river in a basket after birth, institutionalize them and slowly starve them to death, are any of these tactics, that have been tried in the past any more humane. most abortions occur in the first trimester, that little organism that is growing in mom's womb doesn't even have enough self awareness to know that it's alive!! it doesn't know how cute kittens are, or how yummy chocolate tastes, it hasn't built friendships, and love for anyone, if it died tomorrow, it wouldn't have much to miss... whereas, well, that's not the case for those in those villages that countries seem to have no moral problem whatsoever blowing to hades and back by the millions!!!

heck, in reality, they probably don't lose nothing, but rather, find another vessel to live out their lives in, one free of crack and other narcotics, one growing within a women that really is looking foreward to loving and caring for that little wonder.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

well, let's see here....
a man becomes a father, hey, he is now considered to be a more valuable employer, deserving a raises and promotions... a women becomes a mothers, and automatically, she is seen as lesser value, not so deserving of raises and promostions...

men come home after a hard days work and well they deserve to relax for the evening....
a women works all day and night, cleaning the home, tending to his kids, cooking his food, and on and on, and well, na, she's never worked a day in her life, right?

most of those living in proverty in this country, or probably any are women and children.... not men!

and well, our economy has been so screwed up the past few decades that the only way a family can survive in many cases is by separating, leaving mom with the kids and dad with a child support payment....

gee, I can't see why so many women don't want to have kids!!!!
there's no honor given to her for the act.
she's just about destined to life in proverty...

a reply to: dawnstar

This world is so sad, isn't it?

Maybe more effort should go into fixing all of those evil things, and we should make the world better, instead of thinking that the solution is to make it more evil by murdering babies.
Abortion just adds to the sad world we live in. It does not make it better.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Women do keep their children and babies. The ones they don't keep are put in foster care, not murdered.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Or you could fix one, then the other. Once you can guarantee a world worth raising a child in, then we can talk about bringing all children to term; but before that happens, forcing your ideals on 1) a world incapable of living up to them 2) people who disagree with them is authoritarian and flies in the face of Liberty.

Until a fetus is autonomous it is and should stay fully under the authority of the two that made it; regardless of what that means for the potential life.

a reply to: BlueAjah

first of all, anyone who thinks that getting an abortion in the first trimester (when most occur) is murdering babies is stretching it quite a bit... sorry, I don't see it that way.
and well, I am sorry but when the the laws that the "sanctity of life crown" has already managed to get passed has managed to tear mommies away from their LIVING, BREATHING, CHILDREN who they are caring for for falling down the stairs, or getting into a car accident, or eating a danged begel that just happens to have poppy seeds on it, well I have to question, are they making the world a better place or a worst place! the rights of the women, her children and loved ones, and their right to the services she delivers to them out of love should not be secondary to the right of a first term fetus that is less self aware than a newborn kitten!

Putin Signs Law Banning Abortion Ads as It Decimates Russia’s Population
www.lifenews.com...




Russia’s population has indeed been decimated by abortion and its use as birth control.

A foreign policy expert says Russia is falling apart culturally because as much as two percent of the nation’s potential population is victimized by abortion every year. Ilan Berman says Russia’s population implosion may also cause problems for the United States and present worldwide issues.

The reality is that Russia continues to bleed population. For about a decade and a half now, projections have been that Russia’s population will plummet from 140-150 million to 104 million by 2050. What are the chief causal factors in this? There are several, but among the biggest is abortion, which occurs in Russia at an astonishingly high level. Putin has tried to slow the hemorrhage, but has failed to do so.

Abortion was legalized in Russia by the Bolsheviks shortly after they seized power in October 1917. Vladimir Lenin made good on his promise for an “unconditional annulment of all laws against abortion.” In short order, the number of abortions skyrocketed. By 1934, Moscow women were having three abortions for every live birth. The toll was so staggering that an appalled Joseph Stalin, the mass murderer, actually banned abortion in 1936, fearing a vanishing populace.


China to ditch its one-child policy as ageing crisis looms
China's new leaders are close to abandoning the country's one-child policy, belatedly moving to avert an ageing crunch as the work force goes into sharp decline.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Back in the states

Illinois' Natural Decrease: More deaths than births in more than half of state's counties

Read more: www.sj-r.com...

In another article about China,
www.nationalreview.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: windword

no im not, u are confused, killing life is killing life all day and you or the scientists that indoctrinated you dont know were real life begins its all theory.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

im not sure of the tone of this comment but im leaning towards sarcasim

a reply to: Stormdancer777

you mean bribing russian women to have babies didn't work?? who would have thought, listen to some conservatives here in the states, and well, it seems that the only women having babies here are having them for more food stamps and other gov't handouts.... gee, don't that beat all...

I bet birth control is a bigger cause of population loss than abortion is..

so just about all the first world western countries are having a problem with their populations decreasing...
and this is such a terrible thing since well, our economies are based on the idea that future generations will buy more, and thus borrow more than the last, just so we can repay our last generations debt!!!

let's say that they did ban abortion, reckon, what would happen, think maybe many of those women (who appearently in russia couldn't even be bribed into motherhood) will just be more careful with birth control, and choose more reliable methods, and well, we wouldn't really get the population boost they think we need anyways? so what would be the next step, oh I know, let's ban birth control, or limit to only those women who have had their required 2.3 children! but then, what if the women really, really don't want to have kids and just decide not to get married, have sex? oh, I know!!! the religions can go back to preaching their male dominance, women in servitude theology that we started out with, the laws can enforce it, allow child brides, mandate that all the women in the kingdom by law have to obey their husbands in all things, and well....blah blah.... I think I now know why things were like they were in the start of this mess... kings want more people in his kingdom, that meant more servants working at lugging those huge rocks around for his pyramid, it meant more troops for his armies, more pretty girls to be his concubines!!!

how many people in the us have given up on finding a job and just plain up and left the labor force? how many people end up lining up for the small number of good jobs when a company announces that they are taking applications? how many people are turned away from hud vouchers when thay announce they have openings?

yep, that's what we need a larger population!!