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Is the Quran a fabrication of the Catholic Church?

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posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:12 PM
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Over the past year or so, I have taken notice at how the Quran and the Islamic End-Times prophecies seem to be a sort of negative image of Bible prophecy...specifically that of Daniel 7, 9, 11-12, and Revelation.

Now we see that Turkey is very close to joining the E.U. (which has been flooded by Muslims). So the nations that once formed Rome are coming back together, and Islam is quickly taking over Europe.

Then I came across this video, which highlights teachings from the Quran: Jesus is the Word of God, the Spirit of God, and the Creator. Mary, the mother of Jesus was allegedly sinless and ascended into heaven. So Muslims reject the notion that Jesus is God, yet the Quran teaches that He is the Word, the Spirit, and the Creator...that sounds like God to me. I don't believe that Mary was sinless, but that is a Catholic trademark doctrine.



This video shows the a Sultan flashing Papal gang signs.




So what if there is merit to this theory? The current Pope is actively trying to blur the Quran and Bible into one big codex. Is Chrislam going to be the commoner's religion in the NWO?
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posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Doesn't Islam predate Catholicism?



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: Sargeras

Yes and no. Catholicism came rose from the political ashes of Constantine's theolocracy, which predated Islam. When Catholicism actually became official? I'm not entirely sure.

Maybe the question I should be asking is, Did Roman Christianity create the Quran?



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:23 PM
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nevermind
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posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:25 PM
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a reply to: Sargeras

some say yes others say no.



The First Pope

There have been many discussions regarding the question of who was the first Pope of the Catholic Church?

The majority of discussions regarding this question refer to Saint Peter, with some saying that he was the first Roman Catholic Church Pope, while others oppose that idea. However, according to the Catholic Church, there is no doubt that Peter was first Pope. Even on the list of popes, Saint Peter heads the list, appearing as the first Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.

The bible is normally interpreted differently by different people, but the Catholic Church has remained adament regarding its strong belief that Peter was the first Bishop of Rome and the head of the entire Catholic Church. Peter was Andrew’s brother (the sons of John); they were both fishermen. It was Andrew (Peter’s brother) who introduced him to Jesus Christ, and once they retired from fishing and became disciples of Jesus, they were referred to as “fishers of men”. Peter means “rock”, and his story is extensively discussed in the bible’s New Testament.

There are several scriptures that have been quoted in the bible, serving as proof that Peter was given the authority to be the leader of Catholic Church, by Jesus himself. The first scripture is from John 21: 15-17 which says: “Feed my lambs, feed my lambs, feed my sheep”. According to the Catholics, this was the message that Jesus gave to Peter, giving him the superintendency of all His sheep; sheep being the followers of His Church. Another message appears in the book of Mathew 16:17-20 which says, “I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” These two scriptures have formed the basis of the fact that indeed Saint Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic Church.

Even today, there are structures that were built in the Vatican, Rome, in honor of Saint Peter as the first Pope of Rome. For instance, there are the St. Peter’s Square and St. Peter’s Basilica; these are among the holiest places in Vatican City, and have attracted millions of people from across the world. St. Peter’s Square is the place where the largest papal audiences meet for Pope’s blessings and masses. There is also St. Peter’s tomb inside St. Peter’s Basilica. This is where St. Peter is believed to have been buried, and it is the official burial place hosting several Popes’ tombs.

Therefore, the Catholics believe that St. Peter was the first Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, and that every Pope is a subsequent follower of St. Peter.
The First Pope



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:27 PM
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In Jesus is called, Isa, and he's both a prophet and the Messiah. Muslims do not identify Jesus as God (Allah), or do they see him as a demigod or God's offspring. In other words he's presented as a human like ourselves.

While I doubt the Catholic church had a hand in creating Islam. I know Jack Chick, famous for his Chick Tracts, promote that the Catholic Church was responsible for Islam.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: Teddy916

Yeah, but according to the first video, Jesus is called the Creator, the Spirit of God, and the Word of God, in the Quran. So while Muslims do not acknowledge Jesus as God, the Quran does.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:34 PM
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Is the Quran a fabrication of the Catholic Church?

There is a literal MOUNTAIN of overwhelming evidence tying Islam to the papacy.

I've been convinced of it for years now because of it in fact...


Rome is the “Mother of Harlots” and Islam is one of her daughter harlots!

Ex-Jesuit Priest Alberto Rivera was the first to break the story internationally aided by Chick Publications’ release of The Prophet written in an easy-to-understand, comic book style.

Then recently on my broadcast, Biblical Truth in History and Prophecy, Count Vittorio Vivaldi III of Venice further confirmed that Rome wrote the Koran in Rome via her Augustinians, also the North African tutors of Muhammed. Practically speaking, it makes perfect sense to the casual observer: whenever Islam raises its bloody sword of genocide, the Roman Catholic Papacy ALWAYS benefits.

But more importantly, it is by means of the Koran, this Arabic book comprising a consolidated mass of “doctrines of devils,” that the beloved Arab peoples (possessing racial blessings from Holy Writ) have been locked down from hearing Biblical preaching and thus prevented from being able to give serious consideration to the Byzantine Greek New Testament-based, Reformation Bible-based, true First Century gospel of the grace of God in Christ Jesus.

Rome created a war-like religion for the constantly warring Arabs, as she had already created the war-like religion of Roman Popery for the White commoners of Europe—perpetually fighting among themselves commencing no later than the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 476 AD.

The Babylonian Talmud & the Koran: Born out of Satan’s Roman Papal PLOT

Both Romanism and Islam are identical religions.

Both religions have:

1. A center city; Rome and Mecca;

2. A primary language for its religious texts and worship: Latin and Arabic;

3. Dictatorial religious leaders: Pope and Caliph (presently absent since 1922);

4. Holy Wars: Crusades and Jihads;

5. Common enemies: primarily all racial and religious Jews and especially non-Papal, Bible-reading Christians;

6. Religious “Holy Men:” Priests and Imams;

7. The goal of “converting the world” by argument or by the sword;

8. The basic belief of “works salvation” as defined by the whims of religious leaders;

9. A fanatical predisposition for the possession of the Old City of Jerusalem and Temple Mount when it belongs of Biblical right to the Hebrew/Jewish/Israelites;

10. A fanatical hatred for the true Lord Jesus Christ/Risen Son of God as revealed in the Greek and Hebrew Scriptures as well as other Bibles translated from those texts into the language of the common man.

Conclusion: The “works salvation” cult of the Roman Papacy secretly created and rules the “works salvation” cult of Sunni Islam through both the Masonic leaders of Sunni Islam as well as the people enslaved to the doctrines of Islam. Sunni/Wahhabi Islam (forget anti-papal Shia Islam as it is presently being destroyed) is a lean, mean killing machine in the full employ of the White Pope of Rome directed by the Black Pope—the Jesuit Superior General.

Romanism and Islam are identical

"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:

'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

'Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran.'

Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Koran, others were never published. They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.'

"When Cardinal Bea shared with us in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam. Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.

How the Vatican created Islam



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I wouldn't put too much faith in what you either watch or read in a book; especially what you find on the internet, like on YouTube.

While I'm not familiar with the Quran. Maybe it's a mistranslation about Jesus in their belief. You have to remember that Islam is not popular with the general public. In other words it's easy to see their beliefs demonized for a number of reasons. Therefore videos like these can easily mislead you into believing something that's not accurate.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:36 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

The Qur’an is a fabrication (in the sense that it was compiled from fragments during the reign of Uthman, the third Caliph), but almost certainly not of Christian origin. Whether the Qur’an is what Muslims believe it to be is another matter.

The Roman Catholic Church, as Sargeras said, is centuries younger than Islam. Christians who lived in and around Arabia at the time of Muhammad would have been members of the pre-Schismatic Catholic Church, whose headquarters was in the New Rome — Constantinople — not the old one. Old Rome was ruled by barbarians who practised Arianism, a form of Christianity that Catholics regard as heretical.

There is no doubt that material from Christian sources was incorporated into the Qur’an. But then, it also displays rabbinical, Zoroastrian and pagan influences. The Qur’an, like the Bible, is a product of its time and place, and reveals its cultural influences as all human artefacts do.

Read In the Shadow of the Sword, a discussion of the roots of the great monotheistic religions of the Middle East (with a particular focus on Islam) by the historian Tom Holland. The author’s thesis is that all the great scriptural monotheisms were codified and institutionalized for political purposes — they served to legitimize the dynasties that conquered in their name. Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, even Manicheanism bear less resemblance to the teachings of their founders than they do the the expedient needs of their sponsors.


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posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:38 PM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

While your first two links didn't work, the third one had an article about "Alberto Rivera", who's been known as a fraud and swindler. I wouldn't put much faith into a man who's claim do not check out.

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posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:40 PM
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a reply to: Astyanax

Wow, impressive reply!

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Smart girls are the best.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

Thanks for posting. This really makes a lot of sense. I see a lot of elements from the ancient Babylonian Mysteries in both Mecca and the Vatican. Babel was the gate of god, in Mecca, they have the Bab-Illah, which is the gate of Allah. If Daniel's Rome had two legs (East and West), then it would make sense that it has two religious systems.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: Teddy916
While your first two links didn't work, the third one had an article about "Alberto Rivera", who's been known as a fraud and swindler. I wouldn't put much faith into a man who's claim do not check out.

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If you want to find the truth, you must believe the opposite of what propaganda is telling you.

Sources such as RationalWiki ARE in fact propaganda and it only serves to confirm what many of us already know.


"We all know that RationalWiki is a liberal propaganda site..." Link

"a horrible piece of establishment propaganda... littered with false statements and ad hominem. I imagine that the whole of the wiki is a collection of gatekeepers for consensus science and PTB doctrine...." www.fmotl.com...

"...anyone can anonymously write whatever they want (but correction of the tripe written will be considered “vandalism”!) RationalWiki is one of those sites. RationalWiki is a project of Trent Toulouse, who has the stated objective of “exposing conspiracy theories”. He once implied that he considers a conspiracy theory everything that disagrees with mainstream dogma, making RationalWiki a platform for anyone with an agenda to attack researchers struggling to bring important facts to public attention." owndoc.com...

"RationalWiki is now just another outlet for #FTBullies ideology... they are totally baboon property. Monkeys dancing for the organ grinder... the "talk" pages for their hatchet job/character assassination wiki entries show how utterly corrupt it is..." twitter.com...

"Their alternative weapon is called "rational wiki" (an oxymoron) and it is allegedly ran by a student named Toulouse, from Hamilton, Canada. He is as real as that shady guy who runs wikipedia.org, with an added character feature of inferiority complex. Of course, it is possible that he too does not exist (a made-up character), or that he has been co-opted by intelligence services, as they do draft students.

RationalWiki is a genetic-egalitarian race-denialist propaganda website that is run by Ontario resident Trent Toulouse. RationalWiki is a wiki founded by secular humanists in response to Conservapedia. They regard Richard Dawkins as their messiah. It is based on MediaWiki, like Metapedia. The wiki has around 4200 English pages middle of May 2010. The information is inaccurate and sparse. The wiki begs for donations. The site is extremely anti-Christian and anti-Conservative and promotes sodomy and gun restriction.

The website fraudulently portrays itself as being “rational”, and opposed to “pseudoscience”, yet promotes exactly the thing that they claim to oppose: the irrational spiritual pseudosciences of genetic egalitarianism and race denialism. On top of such deceptiveness, Trent Toulouse solicits donations (on the website’s main page) under these false pretenses. That fits within the definition of criminal fraud." A note on "Rational Wiki"

"Some of the most untrue bunch of lies that could ever be written in the entire world were written by RationalWiki. They claim that they are the truth and the holy appointed protectors of science and their subjects. They do not tell the truth. RationalWiki is the biggest con job on the internet. It is the National Enquirer of skeptical thought.

They are like Stormfront for intellectual people that pimp a platform of hate and scorn for those that they hate, no matter how wrong and biased that they are and kudos for those that they DO like. RationalWiki is the most biased thing out there on the internet today. They are NOT rational or intelligent. RationalWiki is a fraud factory. It is a quack’s encyclopedia. They are pseudo-intellectual quackery at its finest. RationalWiki is a joke!" Source

Take, for example, the RationalWiki article on pseudoscience. One merely has to lightly read through it to see some of the most arrogant statements that can be made. ...there is no excuse for passing this kind of blithely arrogant and shallow material off as anything other than trash, and that’s not even dealing with the factual inaccuracies.

The entire site is plagued by trash (the only suitable term) of this nature. I have no doubts that RationalWiki is just a front for Left-Wing Progressivism (a type of Socialism, basically), based on the style of the writing and the methods of argumentation used.

RationalWiki is a Front for Socialist Indoctrination



posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

I will have to respectfully disagree with your stance on Rationalwiki; even though I agree they can use better writers.


I just used the link earlier because I remembered visiting the page before. From time to time I enjoy reading Chick Tracts online, and I noticed that the tracts have a very anti-Catholic bias to them. As a skeptical person I am critical of all things religion and the like. But we have to remember that while the Catholic does have an ugly history, I don't think Alberto Rivera's is a good source in criticism of the Catholic church.



posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 12:18 AM
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I can't help but wonder where some of you are getting your information...

The "roman catholic" church came about just after the death of Constantine who made it the official religion of the state... and the term Catholic (Meaning Universal) was first used back at the turn of the second century by Ignatius

Even though their doctrine wasn't completed until sometime in the fourth century... said church still predates Islam by at least a few centuries...

Im lost in this thread...




posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

All of our major religions stem from previous religions, this is a well known phenomena and has a well documented history.


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posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: Ghost147

I agree with you. While this doesn't explain in detail about the history of religions, belief in God, and what not; it does show that all religions are link one way or the other. So while not a conspiracy, humans belief have been shared with each other and evolved over the centuries.



posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I don't think just catholicism but especially judaism as well especially in sexual matters.

Religion with its one god complex is merely a great tool for exerting control over the masses. Get them, especially the men into a church/synagogue/mosque and you can brain wash them virtually into anything because they go week in and out.

In Christianity many have left it because of various reasons and there is no threat, but with Judaism if you hasidic you will have difficulty because you are unlikely to have mixed with outsiders (especially young adults) and your family and friends will cut you off. Islam does the same and merrily kills you also.

I don't see how you can think that the Quaran is a fabrication of the Catholic church because the catholic church was basically created to protect the emperor and he certainly wasn't going to let tax paying individuals believe in another religion which didn't accept him as a living God and of course tax collector. Islam was also formed much later when Christianity already was established and making itself felt.



posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 02:05 AM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

Every religion is doing quite the same and have quite the same goals, it doesn't mean that they were born out of each other.. It just means that bull# tends to sprout similarly.



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