Can Science Ignore The Assumptions Within Genesis?

originally posted by: Heresiarch
a reply to: Alien Abduct


Yes. I find it ridiculous because it is ridiculous. To say that the Universe, empty space and all, was at one time condensed into a single small point that for no apparent reason decided to go bang and then over billions of "years" of chaos everything settled so perfectly that it could support life, and this supportive climate produced life, again for no explainable reason, is unprovable to say the least.

But to take it as fact, is ridiculous. It doesn't make sense.

Genesis 1:1 does show the beginning of the universe. Darkness was upon the earth, the black substance the earth is now in. Lucifer and the third of the angles are on the earth. Seems that they would not want to leave the earth and explore this black substance. Who knows what is out there or if they could find their way back to the earth.

originally posted by: Tucket

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: newnature1
The bible never sets out to prove there is a God. It assumes that God exists and never questions that assumption. Can science ignore the assumptions within Genesis?

The real question is why do christians ignore the fact that they believe in a being that has zero evidence to support it?

I think it's about the idea of having faith.. and so, scientific evidence wouldn't matter..

maybe they should do a trust fall off a tall building and see which wins, faith or science.

originally posted by: newnature1

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: newnature1

originally posted by: ms898
Science would look at the evidence. Evidence is lacking.... it very well to assume something, but science then has to prove it to get acceptance from the scientific community.

My belief is that they wouldn’t assume it because there is very little evidence that there is a god.

There is fossil evidence of those giants on the earth before the flood. These abnormal beings, their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Yahweh’s Word (Gen. 3:15). Wouldn't science want to know who was behind breeding these beings?

Do you mean the dinosaurs?

The dinosaurs were before the sixth 'a day'.

So the giant fossils you speak of, are you talking about dinosaur fossils or giant human fossils?

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Tucket

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: newnature1
The bible never sets out to prove there is a God. It assumes that God exists and never questions that assumption. Can science ignore the assumptions within Genesis?

The real question is why do christians ignore the fact that they believe in a being that has zero evidence to support it?

I think it's about the idea of having faith.. and so, scientific evidence wouldn't matter..

maybe they should do a trust fall off a tall building and see which wins, faith or science.

That sounds perfectly logical.

Not sure if Jesus will let me, though.. he's pretty protective.

One thing I'm %100 sure of, Jesus will let you DIE if you jump from a high enough building.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Thundersmurf

The bible does explain Gods creation, you may not believe it, but it does explain creation. Go read Genesis
Now as for your assumption that if the bible never existed, then probably theWestern nations would not exist.
It was Luther and his desire to educate people that brought science from the dark ages
You have no idea what you are talking about

A quote from martin luther.

Come, my princes, strike! To arms! Thrust! The times have come, blessed times where with blood a prince can win heaven more easily that we can with our prayers; I, Martin Luther, I myself ordered their tortures, impalement, beheading, bludgeoning.

Luther was an ultra violent murderer who saw god in everything. If you want to bring him into this then at least be honest about him.

He believed in god because.....trees.
" " because......music
". " because......babies

He used his interpretations of the bible to gain power over people and force a brutal swell of acquiescence. Or you died in his wake. Why not just quote Ggengis Khan? Oh, he wasn't a christian.

The bible shows that God is being attack because of his goal. The bible shows an attack out of left field. I mean, Lucifer wouldn't dare cause this second outbreak of these giant that took place after the flood. www.youtube.com... This is proof about angels leaving their first estate to get into this fight, but they are in chains right now for what they did. The fact that these angels are in chains and Lucifer is not, shows there is some kind of rules to this battle God finds himself in.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: Heresiarch

Its a fact that star systems, globular clusters, galaxies and the like are all spreading apart and moving away from each other.

If this is true(which it is because you can see it with your own two eyes) then what would happen if you reverse time?

What is your explanation for how the universe came about?

I may the claim that Genesis shouldn't of happen. Genesis 1:1, the universe can be explained this way, God making a point to Lucifer about what he is dealing with. Why did God plant that tree of good and bad, it's your move Lucifer?

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: newnature1

Science can easily ignore assumptions, even those made in Genesis, because science is based on evidence. The assumptions made in Genesis are just that, assumptions, and have no evidence. Did the Garden of Eden even exist, or was it a tale told?

In the end, Genesis is just a book.

Why couldn't God just start over. Because God is accountable to 24 other individuals, they can not be destroyed. That tree of good and bad is proof that God gave Lucifer a fair chance.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver

Oh yawn wood carver so what
Luther was a corrupt man who caused a peasant revolt blah blah blah blah

You said science this and science that

Read my comment about Luther bringing education to the forefront, that's what brought about the great leaps forward in science
Luther and education reform, that's the issue

I know luthers faults, he was a man and a sinner

You can thank Luther for your education

Let's look at Lucifers next move. One has to stand back and say, "Great move Lucifer." We are lucky to be here right now. So Lucifer after the flood, and this is the best move he made, Nimrod and the Tower of Babel. All religion has it's root with what Lucifer and his clan taught these people. They were supposed to repopulate the earth, not just hang out in one place learning something they shouldn't have been learning.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver

So woody
I am guessing you believe we evolved from space dust and spacewater

That makes a great deal of sense, ha ha ha

You win the internet

Here is an interesting thought. Lucifer saw what God did with Adam's rib. God showed Lucifer how to work this DNA. www.youtube.com... Lucifer mixed animal DNA with human DNA to make those giants.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver

So woody
I am guessing you believe we evolved from space dust and spacewater

That makes a great deal of sense, ha ha ha

You win the internet

It makes more sense than 'a magic man did it with magical superpowers'

I bet they taught a few star dust stories at the Tower of Babel.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Prezbo369

Yours is a faith statement without evidence
You fundys are so gullible to suggestion

Here's a proof that God had a plan. The bloodline from Adam to Jesus remained one bloodline. God was fair to Lucifer, because of that tree of knowledge of good and bad. Here is what Lucifer accomplished. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. It is the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh like and having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a Yahweh like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh.

Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings. Evil is represented not as a physical reality, it’s not built into the structure of Eden, evil is a condition of human existence, and to assert that evil stems from human behavior.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: Raggedyman

Until you can demonstrate your wacky supernatural beliefs to be true, it belongs in the same wastebin as Twilight fan fiction......

The Sphinx shows where to begin reading the story written in the stars, because of Genesis 3:15.

originally posted by: CosmicSmack
a reply to: newnature1

The way I see it is there has to something above man. The universe is chaos, but yet everything is perfect, even mathematically, for life here. To say this is all random and for no reason is such a sad view and to me does not make sense. I think that it is impossible for this to be for no reason or without any intelligent design. Many science people like Einstein who did not believe at first changed his mind after studying the universe more.

That being said I do not believe in the Christian god, he sounds like a tyrant to me. god with a lower case g, just a pretender. If anything if you read the bible Satan sounds to me to be more of a good guy then god, just look at the kill count. I think that god is Satan and Satan is god, like isn't Satan supposed to pretend to be god? so it makes sense to me that he would just switch the name. Its like a psych-op. this is just my theory on that story

I do not believe ether entity is the true god, I like the Gnostic view of god as The ALL father. Similar to the teaching "all is one and one is all." we are the universe (God) and it is us. Makes sense if you think about it like this. Your made of cells, so all of those cells are still you. then you live in country, that makes up a planet, that makes up a solar system, that makes a galaxy, that make up the universe( im sure there are bigger sub units beyond a galaxy, i think a nebula) So everything in the universe really is it. The micro is the macro. hope this makes sense.

Science should dismiss religion because of the Tower of Babel. People are going to eat ham this Easter, but do they understand why they are eating ham.

originally posted by: CosmicSmack
a reply to: newnature1

The way I see it is there has to something above man. The universe is chaos, but yet everything is perfect, even mathematically, for life here. To say this is all random and for no reason is such a sad view and to me does not make sense. I think that it is impossible for this to be for no reason or without any intelligent design. Many science people like Einstein who did not believe at first changed his mind after studying the universe more.

That being said I do not believe in the Christian god, he sounds like a tyrant to me. god with a lower case g, just a pretender. If anything if you read the bible Satan sounds to me to be more of a good guy then god, just look at the kill count. I think that god is Satan and Satan is god, like isn't Satan supposed to pretend to be god? so it makes sense to me that he would just switch the name. Its like a psych-op. this is just my theory on that story

I do not believe ether entity is the true god, I like the Gnostic view of god as The ALL father. Similar to the teaching "all is one and one is all." we are the universe (God) and it is us. Makes sense if you think about it like this. Your made of cells, so all of those cells are still you. then you live in country, that makes up a planet, that makes up a solar system, that makes a galaxy, that make up the universe( im sure there are bigger sub units beyond a galaxy, i think a nebula) So everything in the universe really is it. The micro is the macro. hope this makes sense.

The Bible never sees the flesh and the soul as two different forms of existence. Rather, they are manifestations of the same person, the ancient Hebrews could not conceive of one without the other. 
The two are indissolubly connected because the body is the outward form of the soul and the soul the inward life of the body. The body and soul are an indivisible unity; people are seen from two different perspectives. The body is the physical reality of human existence; the soul is the vitality and personality of human existence. www.youtube.com...

a reply to: newnature1
Lucifer is a misinterpretation and mistranslation based mythical being, even within biblical Christianity.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Prezbo369

And I can say the same in relation to stardust and starwater being your mammy and pappy

You do know doctor who is not real

Does it seem that religion today is baptizing people today with star water. This needs to be understood, Paul was never about starting a new religion. There’s no “Christianity” in Paul’s letters. There are no “Christians” in Paul’s letters. You can’t find the word. You can’t find the concept.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Prezbo369

And I can say the same in relation to stardust and starwater being your mammy and pappy

No not even remotely close as the stardust theory has evidence and good reasons to believe it, whereas magic man and his magic powers should convince no-one not even children.

You do know doctor who is not real

Yes ive been able to tell fact from fiction ever since Sunday school, it's clear however that you still struggle with that...

Sunday, more proof of the Tower of Babel. Lucifer is cleaver, the Tower of Babel was a good move on his part. People blindly worship their religion on Sunday, but Sunday has it's roots of the Tower of Babel. But there other religions who worship on Saturday, but religion is religion.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
technically speaking, science is a compilation of techniques and tools. it has no consciousness.

and yes, humans have proven again and again that they are willing to ignore the results of scientific inquiry.

Because of the fortresses in our mind, called strongholds?

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: newnature1

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: newnature1

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: newnature1

Science and the bible have nothing to do with each other...

There would be no science without the bible?

Why does science need the bible?

The bible clearly shows that Genesis should not have happened.

why are you using the bible to disprove the bible?

Genesis 1:1, the bible, forces the bible to take another look at Genesis 1:1; figures of speech.