78 Year old Man Sucker Punched Protestor at Trump Rally

originally posted by: UKTruth
Who is being marginalised? These few people went to a Trump rally to cause problems and got thrown out. How is that marginalising them to the point they think they are being ignored? They have no business being there in the first place unless they wanted to sit and listen to what Trump had to say. Free speech and the right to protest does not extend to antagonising and interrupting others free speech.

Really??? Free speech and the right to protest doesn't extent to interrupting others free speech??? What exactly do you think "Protest" means???

Nobody is invited over to have a protest. That's why it's called a Protest. If who or what you are protesting welcomed you there it's not much of a protest is it???

Free Speech is just that, Free Speech and it's equal for everyone at all times. Nobody is silenced. Not one side over the other.

When did people forget what a protest meant??? Because Free Speech isn't free speech when it's only allowed in a Free Speech Zone. The Freedom of the Press isn't Freedom when they are confined into a special chained off area and blocked from reporting on what is going on and only given information someone has deemed acceptable. Protesting is in defiance of something which means that it is going to disrupt the program. If it doesn't then it's not a protest is it.

That doesn't mean that it should be violent though. I'm not saying that. But how the hell can you even call it a protest if it doesn't interrupt something or challenge the speech of who it's protesting??? And stop saying it's silencing the other person. It's not. It's opposing their speech with other speech. They have every right to then speak out against that protest speech as well.

When only one side gets to speak that is when someone has been silenced. That is what Trump has done and is doing since the start of his campaign. He's afraid of being challenged by what others have to say and just wants everyone to shut up and listen to him. Well we've heard what he has to say already. Over and over again we've listened to him speak and now we have something to say back to him. Maybe he should try listening too.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Gin
Trump has been endorsed by the minors too, maybe you missed the memo. There are plenty of latinos residing in USA legally who don't like these illegal immigrants coming from Mexico either. Does that make them racist too?

Please...what memo?

If you are referring to the Trump paid for "Clout research" Survey last year that surveyed a grand total of 10 African Americans over the phone...or at least people that claimed to be African American...and forced them to choose between only GOP nominees? 5 of them chose Ben Carson, 1 chose Cruz and 4 said Trump.

So yes...If clout research is telling the truth and the phone respondents didn't lie about their ethnicity, then last year there were 4 African Americans in the USA that would vote Trump...Maybe Ben Carson now makes it 5? Though I still thinking he is faking in hopes of getting a VP chance, like Chris Christie.

I think he is talking about all the African American community leaders that have now endorsed Trump and of course Ben Carson. Even Louis Farrakhan is praising him. I am sure you don't think all these people are racist against black people and Muslims. The truth is there is no racism here. You are being conned.



Here's one example but there are many you can easily find - which will not be shown on MSM.

a reply to: mOjOm

I agree, I like what Bernie has to say. He takes the issue of money in politics further than Trump. Where Trump buys his way in, but speaks against SuperPACs, Bernie is pure grassroots-- which is a candidate truly of the people.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: UKTruth
Who is being marginalised? These few people went to a Trump rally to cause problems and got thrown out. How is that marginalising them to the point they think they are being ignored? They have no business being there in the first place unless they wanted to sit and listen to what Trump had to say. Free speech and the right to protest does not extend to antagonising and interrupting others free speech.

Really??? Free speech and the right to protest doesn't extent to interrupting others free speech??? What exactly do you think "Protest" means???

Nobody is invited over to have a protest. That's why it's called a Protest. If who or what you are protesting welcomed you there it's not much of a protest is it???

Free Speech is just that, Free Speech and it's equal for everyone at all times. Nobody is silenced. Not one side over the other.

When did people forget what a protest meant??? Because Free Speech isn't free speech when it's only allowed in a Free Speech Zone. The Freedom of the Press isn't Freedom when they are confined into a special chained off area and blocked from reporting on what is going on and only given information someone has deemed acceptable. Protesting is in defiance of something which means that it is going to disrupt the program. If it doesn't then it's not a protest is it.

That doesn't mean that it should be violent though. I'm not saying that. But how the hell can you even call it a protest if it doesn't interrupt something or challenge the speech of who it's protesting??? And stop saying it's silencing the other person. It's not. It's opposing their speech with other speech. They have every right to then speak out against that protest speech as well.

When only one side gets to speak that is when someone has been silenced. That is what Trump has done and is doing since the start of his campaign. He's afraid of being challenged by what others have to say and just wants everyone to shut up and listen to him. Well we've heard what he has to say already. Over and over again we've listened to him speak and now we have something to say back to him. Maybe he should try listening too.

You are wrong and this misunderstanding of the first amendment is one of the key issues with the country.

You simply do not have the right to close down others free speech, which is what talking over someone (shouting) and hurling insults does.

There is nothing stopping these protesters from organising their own rally or demonstration even at the same time, but when it extends to trying to silence others then it is unconstitutional. It is beyond that when it turns to organised intimidation and violence.

originally posted by: UKTruth

You are wrong and this misunderstanding of the first amendment is one of the key issues with the country.

You simply do not have the right to close down others free speech, which is what talking over someone (shouting) and hurling insults does.

There is nothing stopping these protesters from organising their own rally or demonstration even at the same time, but when it extends to trying to silence others then it is unconstitutional. It is beyond that when it turns to organised intimidation and violence.

Actually, you are wrong because the Constitution and Bill of Rights protect the Freedom of People from Government. Your Freedom of Speech and Mine both originate in us being free people and the Constitution and Bill of Rights stop Government from silencing us. It says nothing about how you and I personally must speak to each other.

Talking against what another person is saying is called a conversation or debate. Neither person is being silenced simply because the other person is saying something. I agree it shouldn't become violent because violence against another isn't speech at all, it's a physical act of violence. But only allowing Trump to speak isn't an example of Free Speech. Free Speech extends to everyone at the same time. Period. Now, if you want it to be productive then it must trade off between parties. But that is on them to be intelligent enough to know that. Otherwise you just have noise rather than a conversation.

Trump wasn't silenced by those protestors using their Free Speech. He chose not to have his rally because he thought it might turn violent which means it wasn't their Free Speech that is the problem it was their threat of Violence that was the problem. So don't blame it on Free Speech. Free Speech doesn't silence anyone else. Violence on the other hand can and does silence people all the time.

A seemingly popular method of silencing those that disagree with you is to call them 'terrorists'.....but I'm surprised it's coming from someone apparently from the UK where there should be no confusion as to what exactly constitutes a 'terrorist'.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Gin
Trump has been endorsed by the minors too, maybe you missed the memo. There are plenty of latinos residing in USA legally who don't like these illegal immigrants coming from Mexico either. Does that make them racist too?

Please...what memo?

If you are referring to the Trump paid for "Clout research" Survey last year that surveyed a grand total of 10 African Americans over the phone...or at least people that claimed to be African American...and forced them to choose between only GOP nominees? 5 of them chose Ben Carson, 1 chose Cruz and 4 said Trump.

So yes...If clout research is telling the truth and the phone respondents didn't lie about their ethnicity, then last year there were 4 African Americans in the USA that would vote Trump...Maybe Ben Carson now makes it 5? Though I still thinking he is faking in hopes of getting a VP chance, like Chris Christie.

I think he is talking about all the African American community leaders that have now endorsed Trump and of course Ben Carson. Even Louis Farrakhan is praising him. I am sure you don't think all these people are racist against black people and Muslims.

I think you are confusing Louis Farrakhan and Ben Carson with normal sane people...And Farrakhan did not endorse Trump, he was just temporarily excited by the idea of President that might hate Jews as much as he does...And Carson thinks he will get a shot at VP to try to quell the racist attacks.

Trump “is the only member who has stood in front of the Jewish community and said 'I don’t want your money,'” Farrakhan said in a sermon he delivered this week. “Any time a man can say to those who control the politics of America, ‘I don’t want your money,’ that means you can’t control me. And they can’t afford to give up control of the presidents of the United States.”

Despite his commendation for the billionaire businessman, Farrakhan did not endorse him. “Not that I’m for Mr. Trump,” he added, “but I like what I’m looking at.”

Farrakhan also called Jews the "Synagogue of Satan," according to the Anti-Defamation League, which monitors anti-Semitic statements.

www.politico.com...


I think you are being gullible, listening to Mr. Trumps lies..

Black religious leaders deny plans to endorse Trump.

Black pastors invited to meet with Donald Trump on Monday are denying that they have plans to endorse him.

Trump’s campaign has also canceled a news conference with Trump and the leaders, although the meeting is still scheduled, according to spokeswoman Hope Hicks.

Bishop Corletta Vaughn, senior pastor of The Holy Ghost Cathedral in Detroit, said in a Facebook posting that she declined an invitation to meet with Trump and will not support him. In an earlier post, she called Trump “an insult and embarrassment.”

“But he represents the country we have become. ZERO experience … flaunting a ticket of unbridled bigotry, sexism, racism and everything that is wrong with America,” said Vaughn.

onpolitics.usatoday.com...

Just sayin...reality matters

originally posted by: Gin
Hate is so strong in these anti-Trumpers. Anyway, I highly doubt your saying that every minority from african-american to hispanic and asian won't vote Trump in the elections because of all the false thrown reasons lol. Trump has been endorsed by the minors too, maybe you missed the memo. There are plenty of latinos residing in USA legally who don't like these illegal immigrants coming from Mexico either. Does that make them racist too?

It just makes them not count, of course.

They will keep on the narrative no matter what.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

It just makes them not count, of course.

They will keep on the narrative no matter what.

And it's that kind of "us vs. them" thinking and dismissal of what "they" are saying as some narrative which you need to ignore that causes them to yell louder and louder.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Nobody wants to listen to anyone else but they all claim to care about these things and want a better future for everyone and peace and tolerance, etc. etc.

Which seems dishonest because if you say "we should work things out peacefully like rational adults" then that means you sit down and both parties talk and listen to each other. You don't just dismiss them or what they're saying.

If that is what you plan on doing then just say so from the start. Just say, "I don't give a damn about you or what you have to say." Either way, it's going to get violent. Acting like you do care when you don't just takes a little longer to get there that's all. Plus it makes you in to a liar as well. You should at least be honest and just say, "I don't care, let's fight" and get it over with.

Donald Trump says he has dirt on Hillary that will make beating her, "No Problem". I hope he's shared this with at least his wife, just in case some organized USA or Foreign entity gets to the guy. She can then pass this info on to the best remaining candidate.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: mOjOm

I agree, I like what Bernie has to say. He takes the issue of money in politics further than Trump. Where Trump buys his way in, but speaks against SuperPACs, Bernie is pure grassroots-- which is a candidate truly of the people.

Yay! we can all be as rich as bernie!!

Trump wants to build a wall that another country will pay for.

Trump will make other countries pay THEIR FAIR SHARE.

Can you live without all that cheap crap from china?

Bernie wants americans to pay for freeloaders and illegals.

a reply to: carewemust

My guess is he's full of it too. If he had something like that he'd use it. It's just one more lump of BS he says he has that will never become a reality. Yet another super secret thing that Trump claims to have and will use but will never be seen or hear.

He's a snake oil salesman. This Secret Weapon to destroy Hillary is just like his Trump Steaks, Trump Wine and Trump full proof plan to beat ISIS. Legends in Trumps mind that don't exist in Reality.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

It just makes them not count, of course.

They will keep on the narrative no matter what.

And it's that kind of "us vs. them" thinking and dismissal of what "they" are saying as some narrative which you need to ignore that causes them to yell louder and louder.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Nobody wants to listen to anyone else but they all claim to care about these things and want a better future for everyone and peace and tolerance, etc. etc.

Which seems dishonest because if you say "we should work things out peacefully like rational adults" then that means you sit down and both parties talk and listen to each other. You don't just dismiss them or what they're saying.

If that is what you plan on doing then just say so from the start. Just say, "I don't give a damn about you or what you have to say." Either way, it's going to get violent. Acting like you do care when you don't just takes a little longer to get there that's all. Plus it makes you in to a liar as well. You should at least be honest and just say, "I don't care, let's fight" and get it over with.

Tell that to the ones doing the ignoring.

Shouting and causing trouble does not a dialogue make.

They are the ones making it us vs them.

And when asked by reporters what they were protesting against at the rally, they wouldn't say.

They were being PAID! All your "let's be civil and adult" BS is flying out the window with tactics like these from the Bernie camp.

Funny, how does that commie socialist and his knuckledraggers get a pass for this? People could have been killed.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Wait a second. You're implying that I condone the Chicago Violence. I don't. Nor do I consider them to be the people who have been trying to have a conversation in the past. For all I know they might be there only to cause trouble. Even you claim that they were paid to be there to cause conflict which would mean they aren't part of the people I'm talking about either. So either way your accusations are not correct.

Sanders and those people aren't in on some conspiracy together. If you think he or his campaign would plan such a thing you're crazy. I find it interesting that you want to separate Trump and what his supporters do but do the opposite for Sanders. If Trump isn't responsible for his supporters then neither is Sanders so when you decide to pick which one it is then we can discuss that. Until then it's a double standard.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Gin
Trump has been endorsed by the minors too, maybe you missed the memo. There are plenty of latinos residing in USA legally who don't like these illegal immigrants coming from Mexico either. Does that make them racist too?

Please...what memo?

If you are referring to the Trump paid for "Clout research" Survey last year that surveyed a grand total of 10 African Americans over the phone...or at least people that claimed to be African American...and forced them to choose between only GOP nominees? 5 of them chose Ben Carson, 1 chose Cruz and 4 said Trump.

So yes...If clout research is telling the truth and the phone respondents didn't lie about their ethnicity, then last year there were 4 African Americans in the USA that would vote Trump...Maybe Ben Carson now makes it 5? Though I still thinking he is faking in hopes of getting a VP chance, like Chris Christie.

I think he is talking about all the African American community leaders that have now endorsed Trump and of course Ben Carson. Even Louis Farrakhan is praising him. I am sure you don't think all these people are racist against black people and Muslims.

I think you are confusing Louis Farrakhan and Ben Carson with normal sane people...And Farrakhan did not endorse Trump, he was just temporarily excited by the idea of President that might hate Jews as much as he does...And Carson thinks he will get a shot at VP to try to quell the racist attacks.

Trump “is the only member who has stood in front of the Jewish community and said 'I don’t want your money,'” Farrakhan said in a sermon he delivered this week. “Any time a man can say to those who control the politics of America, ‘I don’t want your money,’ that means you can’t control me. And they can’t afford to give up control of the presidents of the United States.”

Despite his commendation for the billionaire businessman, Farrakhan did not endorse him. “Not that I’m for Mr. Trump,” he added, “but I like what I’m looking at.”

Farrakhan also called Jews the "Synagogue of Satan," according to the Anti-Defamation League, which monitors anti-Semitic statements.

www.politico.com...


I think you are being gullible, listening to Mr. Trumps lies..

Black religious leaders deny plans to endorse Trump.

Black pastors invited to meet with Donald Trump on Monday are denying that they have plans to endorse him.

Trump’s campaign has also canceled a news conference with Trump and the leaders, although the meeting is still scheduled, according to spokeswoman Hope Hicks.

Bishop Corletta Vaughn, senior pastor of The Holy Ghost Cathedral in Detroit, said in a Facebook posting that she declined an invitation to meet with Trump and will not support him. In an earlier post, she called Trump “an insult and embarrassment.”

“But he represents the country we have become. ZERO experience … flaunting a ticket of unbridled bigotry, sexism, racism and everything that is wrong with America,” said Vaughn.

onpolitics.usatoday.com...

Just sayin...reality matters

Reality does indeed matter.
Black pastors have endorsed Trump - at least in this reality - and you can very easily find videos of them endorsing him publicly standing side by side with Trump and also introducing and endorsing him at his rallies around the country.

I didn't say Farrakhan has endorsed him, I said he has praised him. when you go down a route of pretending Trump hates Jews then you lose a lot in your arguments because there is just no evidence of this.

As for Carson, its so easy to fall back on the 'he just wants a VP slot' argument. You can never be certain without really knowing someone, but he seems like an honest man from what I have heard. Dismissing him because it suits an narrative that black people are not supporting Trump is dishonest. Trump does have support from the African American community - more than his republican predecessors.

a reply to: kaylaluv Like me? a surfer guy who likes to backpack Moab ? because that's your typical Trump supporter around here where I live.

a reply to: mOjOm If Hillary goes to prison then You can just write in Goldman Sach because that's who you are really voting for.

originally posted by: Medicator
a reply to: mOjOm If Hillary goes to prison then You can just write in Goldman Sach because that's who you are really voting for.

You obviously haven't even read anything posted in this thread or any others which I've posted in. I don't support Hillary and never have.

So you're wasting you time with comments like that.

a reply to: theantediluvian

As if that excuses that this man was adding to the fire and trying to shut down a private event he wasnt invited to.

You would deny his illegality showing your bias and actual care for the rule of law.