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3 shots fired, pop pop pop, no prior shots
a surprise attack by people lying in wait in a concealed position.
The complete road block was in plain sight...
noun: ambush; plural noun: ambushes
1. a surprise attack by people lying in wait in a concealed position.
synonyms: surprise attack, trap;
verb: ambush; 3rd person present: ambushes; past tense: ambushed; past participle: ambushed; gerund or present participle: ambushing
1. make a surprise attack on (someone) from a concealed position.
synonyms: attack by surprise, surprise, pounce on, fall upon, lay a trap for, set an ambush for, lie in wait for, waylay
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: yuppa
No its not. It's government 101.
Indiana's court system applies ONLY to Indiana and does not / cannot be applied to Oregon. The only way a court ruling in one state can be applied to others is at the FEDERAL level, which this case was not. If the federal appeals circuit gets the case on some type of appeal once state courts are done, and makes a ruling, that appeals ruling, in general, will apply to all states WITHIN that federal appeals circuit ONLY. If it makes it to SCOTUS there ruling, in general, would apply to ALL states.
This was a ruling (and now a law) in the state of Indiana and the Indiana court system. It does NOT apply to any other states - period.
My position has nothing to do with my chosen profession and the fact you are trying for the personal attack to shift focus away from the fact you are wrong is telling.
As for the Finicum comments I already stated im done with the debate. You guys believe what you want (and given the fact you are still wrongly arguing about the Indiana court ruling just reinforces that).
States are separate sovereigns, both, from each and every other state and with the federal government. How do we know a court ruling in one state does not apply to another? The full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution - Article IV Section 1.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
Using your incorrect logic if a state court ruling could be applied to other states then there would be no reason for full faith and credit. Since the rulings arent applicable from one state to other states we need full faith and credit. Without full faith and credit states could refuse to recognize anything coming from another state -
* Drivers license
* Marriage certificates
* Birth certificates
* criminal convictions
* school / high school / college diplomas / degrees
* professional licensing
* etc etc etc
Tell you what -
Produce evidence that supports your "claim" that says the Indiana court ruling applies to other states. While you do that I will be continuing on considering you will never find the info because it doesn't exist. It applies ONLY to Indiana.
You need to stop making false / obscure claims. It does nothing but undermines your credibility.
You need to go back to your grade school / high school/ college and demand a refund.
originally posted by: raymundoko
It's being said that the FBI agent didn't just omit that he fired his weapon, he actually LIED and said he did NOT fire his weapon and that is why an investigation has been launched. Other OSP officers however marked him as the person who fired the shots as Finnicum was exiting the vehicle.
I now believe the FBI agent intended to cause a shootout, but it seems the OSP officers were very well trained and did not just start firing away when the FBI SNIPER missed twice. If anything the OSP officers seem to have handled this case very well, and most likely took all direction on how to perform the stop and where to place the road block from the FBI agents.
originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman
I do understand that this thread is about the shooting portion of the event, but FACT is it was completely avoidable!
*To all the folks screaming "ambush" ... If it was an ambush ALL of the officers, agents and vehicles would have been hidden, and if they were all hidden there would have been NO road block. The complete road block was in plain sight (not an ambush).
originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: Granite
Those of you who doesn't think this was murder, should have their morals and head examined. HE WAS GOING TO THE FREAKING SHERIFFS OFFICE! He even asked for escort!
MURDER MURDER MURDER. And yes I am pissed! and disgusted at the government at the same time!
Welcome to the New World Order!
LAS VEGAS (AP) — Jailed Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy refused Thursday to acknowledge federal authority and declined to enter a plea to federal charges that he led an armed standoff against a round-up of cattle two years ago.
After several minutes of confusion about whether Bundy had a lawyer, U.S. Magistrate Judge Carl Hoffman entered a not guilty plea on Bundy's behalf and scheduled a detention hearing March 17.
Arguments then will focus on whether the 69-year-old Bundy should remain in custody pending trial on 16 charges, including conspiracy, assault and threatening a federal officer, obstruction and firearms offenses.
It could be many months before trial. Federal prosecutor Steven Myhre told the judge the case involving 19 defendants would be slow-tracked as "complex."
"I make no plea before this court," Bundy said, standing in a courtroom full of family members, friends, media, court officials and U.S. marshals.
Bundy wore a maroon-colored Henderson city jail uniform, with his ankles shackled and his hands free during the 15-minute hearing. He waved before the hearing to his wife, Carol Bundy, and several adult children and supporters among about 40 people in the courtroom audience.
Joel Hansen, a Nevada attorney who has represented property rights advocates in a number of cases in the state, served as Bundy's attorney. But Hansen told the judge that Bundy plans to get another lawyer for trial.
Hansen said Bundy's refusal to enter a plea was a statement that he couldn't have done anything wrong because federal law doesn't apply.
Bundy has consistently denied U.S. government authority over rangeland around his 160-acre cattle ranch and melon farm in Bunkerville, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.