The Mayan Calendar Ends On June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) or May 20th, 2016 (Julian)

a reply to: ExNihiloRed

Yeah, pretty crazy isn't it? It is like going back to the future and seeing something I posted without even knowing about this Mayan Calendar connection nor anything about the grand cross alignment at this time. I arrived to that date in that thread using Christian Bible time codes and research that I won't explain in this thread how I arrived to it since it is fairly complex.

Part 2:

I noticed something very interesting a few years ago. There was Christian talk that related Dec. 21st, 2012 to 2016 and the end of the calendar or the rise of Anti-Christ.

I read a book published a few years ago called “End Times To 2019: The End of the Mayan Calendar and the Countdown to Judgment Day” by David Montaigne. The author’s theory in the book was that 1260 days (well known for the 1260 days in the Book of Revelation) from Dec. 21st, 2012 would be June 3rd, 2016. And plus 3 days later, would be June 6th, 2016, the Superior Conjunction of Venus. And 6/6/16 is a beast type of number. The author stated that is when the Anti-Christ would arrive and then 3 ½ years later, the end would come in 2019.

There was also a book I read a few years ago, called “Zenith 2016: Did Something Begin in 2012 that Will Reach It’s Apex in 2016?” by Thomas Horn. The similar theory was 1260 days from Dec. 21st, 2012 is June 3rd, 2016 and something would reach its Zenieth or Apex then. Here is a Youtube video here:

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So it got me thinking. Was the Mayan calendar off by 3 or 3 ½ years? There had to be something to this. I then started researching and noticed articles mentioning there were 5125 years from the start date of the Mayan Long Count calendar to its completion of 12/21/12. And then I saw other articles mentioning there were 5128 years from the start to end date. Was that a written mistake or was there something more to that? Why a 3 year difference? Hmm

I started doing more research into this and then I realized, the Gregorian calendar that is used to arrive at Dec. 21st, 2012 for the Mayan Long Count completion is wrong! The Gregorian calendar is a faulty calendar that doesn’t even accurately match procession I have found. Thus, the Gregorian calendar doesn’t match true time or time cycles correctly. Therefore, Dec. 21st, 2012 wouldn’t be the correct true end date of the Mayan Long Count. And I will explain that further.

originally posted by: neutrinostargate
There is no doubt in my mind with my research that the Mayan Long Count calendar ends in about 3 months from now. June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) or May 20th, 2016 (Julian).

The Gregorian calendar that we use now is clearly wrong.

And I can clearly show you why.

Ends? You mean starts over. The Mayan Calendar like every other calendar in the world is cyclical.

Part 3:

Also, the Gregorian calendar counted leap years and the Mayan calendar DID NOT, which means there is a major discrepancy of true time and cycles. The Mayans didn't care about leap years at all. Explained below:

"Mayas' Missing Leap Year "The ancient Maya, famed for their elaborate and accurate calendar systems, observed two calendar years, but neither seemed to have bothered with a leap year. "As far as we know, the people of Mesoamerica, the Maya included, didn't care about leap years," said Anthony Aveni, an expert in ancient Mesoamerican astronomy at Colgate University. The Maya solar year of 365 days was central to the agricultural cycle, while their ritual year of 260 days was critical for determining auspicious dates. These calendars were carefully designed to synchronize in 52-year cycles, but no effort was made to prevent "drifting" dates. "They didn't care if they didn't have a white Christmas, or if their Fourth of July wasn't in the summer, to put it in our terms," Aveni explained. The Maya instead placed priority on marking the passage of time through additional calendar systems such as the Long Count, which unfolds on a cycle more than 5,000 years long. "Our philosophy about leap year is a complicated scheme to make the seasons jibe with the calendar," Aveni said. "They were more concerned that time should be unbroken, not interfered with, and that the count of time should have continuity," he said. "To break continuity would be to break order."

news.nationalgeographic.com...

Part 4:

For general background information about the Mayan Long Count Calendar, there are 13 baktuns and 144,000 days for each baktun. 13 baktuns x 144,000 days each would equate to 1,872,000 days total from the start date of the Mayan Long Count to its end date.

The start date of the Mayan Long Count was August 11th, 3114 BC (Gregorian date) or Sept 6th, 3114 BC (Julian) date and came to the completion date of Dec. 21st, 2012 (Gregorian date) or Dec. 8th, 2012 (Julian date). You can use this calendar calculator below to see it:

www.msevans.com...

August 11th, 3114 BC plus 1,872,026 days equals Dec. 21st, 2012 but you have to subtract 26 days from it because there was a 26-day difference between the Gregorian and Julian calendar at that time. Sept 6th 3114 BC – August 11th, 3114 BC = 26 day difference.

This independent researcher said that Mayan Calendar end date of Dec. 21st, 2012 is wrong and off because the Gregorian calendar counted leap years and the Mayan calendar doesn’t.

" Okay, deep breath.... Mayan calendar. The Mayan calendar as we understand it correlates to a base date of either 2nd or 13th of August, 3114bce depending on your source. I'm using the latter as it appears to be more commonly accepted from what I can tell. A Mayan world age lasts 13 Baktuns, a period of 1,872,000 days. Therefore 22nd December, 2012 must necessarily be the 1,872,001st day after the Mayan base date. Unfortunately though, it doesn't quite work out. The sum of 1,872,000 days after the base date calculated without compensating for either Mayan intercalary days or Gregorian leap years represents a period of 5,128 years and 280 days bringing us to the 19th May, 2015."

firstnations.com...

The researcher states above he thinks it ends on May 19th, 2015 but I have figured out he is off by a year. It should be May 19th/20th, 2016.

As you see above, the sum of the 1,872,000 days after the base date calculated without compensating for Gregorian leap years is 5128 years, 280 days or 5128.767 years. It is actually more accurate at 5128 years and 282 days. Or 1,872,000 days/365 Mayan Haab solar days/yr = 5128.767 years.

Also, this was stated,

"It is no surprise, and indeed it is to be expected that most of the audience who gives their time over to reading any of this author’s material will first give themselves over to critiquing my knowledge and information about the Mayan Long Count Cycle. There are indeed some rules to be followed in the study of this unfolding Long Count Cycle of 5125.366-years. The problem however remains that no one seems to know why these rules are in place! So, for all of the formalities that are to be garnered in such a task of understanding this count, this author had instead attempted to understand the Long Count from a corrected perspective, in which the cycle is then imbued with the intercalary dates added within the passage of every 52-years. This resulted in the infrequently advertised, and rarely to be seen year phase for the Great Baktun cycle in current literature, which is to be 5128-years. Those who inadvertently use this number to describe the cycle have simply stumbled upon it through the general multiplication of a 5,125.366-year time period by the standard definition of the year as being 365.4-days long, instead of the terms of the linear 360 x 5200 equation that amounts to the 1872000-days, which are then divided by 365.2422-days. This 365.4-day division would in turn imply to account somehow for the leap dates in every four years. In truth however, on behalf of redeeming the erroneous numerical theory that would go to imply 5128-years, or (5127.58-years) this author has discovered instead that the actual extended cycle should then come to amount more specifically to a period of 5128.744-years, when there is added the proper amount of intercalary dates in every 520-year cycle, which aligns the 260-day Tzolkin / Tonalpoualli with the tropical year."

www.mesoamericancalendarstudies.com...

So why is it stating above 5125 years compared to 5128 years? I will explain below.

The Gregorian calendar that we use today is faulty. It doesn't accurately match the precessional cycle. The Mayan Haab 365-day solar year does match the precessional cycle accurately.

In a 13 baktuns cycle of 144,000 days each there is a total of 1,872,000 days.

Gregorian method is this:

1,872,000 days/365.2425 Gregorian solar years = 5125.361 years or 5125 years and 132 days.

Mayan Haab is this:

1,872,000 days/365 Gregorian solar days/yr = 5128.767 years or 5128 years 282 days

How do you get 132 days added onto to 5125 years? Dec. 21st minus 132 days = August 11th, which was the day/month of the start date of the Mayan)

How do you get 282 days added onto 5128 years? August 11th start day/month of Mayan Long Count plus 282 days = May 20th, which I will explain why that day of May 20th later.

Again, August 11h, 3114 BC (Gregorian) was Sept 6th, 3114 BC (Julian) A 26 day difference.

“The Maya and Western calendars are correlated by using a Julian day number (JDN) of the starting date of the current creation — 13.0.0.0.0, 4 Ajaw, 8 Kumk'u.[n 4] This is referred to as a correlation constant. The generally accepted correlation constant is the Modified Thompson 2, "Goodman–Martinez–Thompson", or GMT correlation of 584,283 days. Using the GMT correlation, the current creation started on September 6, 3114 BC in the Julian Calendar or August 11 in the Proleptic Gregorian calendar.”

en.wikipedia.org...

Why is there a 26-day difference between the Gregorian and Julian at that time of the start of Mayan Long Count? More to come...

Part 5:

The Julian calendar was 365.25 solar days in a year or 365 days, 6 hours. The Julian calendar was changed to the Gregorian calendar and thus became 365 days 5 hours 29 minutes 12 seconds.

Pope Gregory in 1582 changed the Julian calendar of 365.25 solar days in a year and created the Gregorian calendar and the solar year became 365.2425 or 365 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, 12 seconds that it takes for the Earth to rotate around the Sun.

"The Gregorian calendar, also called the Western calendar and the Christian calendar, is internationally the most widely used civil calendar.[1][2][3] It is named for Pope Gregory XIII, who introduced it in 1582. The calendar was a refinement to the Julian calendar[4] amounting to a 0.002% correction in the length of the year. The motivation for the reform was to bring the date for the celebration of Easter to the time of the year in which it was celebrated when it was introduced by the early Church. The Gregorian reform modified the Julian calendar's scheme of leap years as follows: Every year that is exactly divisible by four is a leap year, except for years that are exactly divisible by 100, but these centurial years are leap years if they are exactly divisible by 400. For example, the years 1700, 1800, and 1900 are not leap years, but the year 2000 is. In addition to the change in the mean length of the calendar year from 365.25 days (365 days 6 hours) to 365.2425 days (365 days 5 hours 49 minutes 12 seconds), a reduction of 10 minutes 48 seconds per year”

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As you can see above, there is a 10 minute 48 seconds difference between the Gregorian and Julian solar year per year. Because of that 10.8-minute difference between the Gregorian and Julian calendars, over time and years, the days started to drift between the two calendars.

There are 1440 minutes in a day.

60 minutes x 24 hours = 1440 minutes

1440 minutes/10.8 minutes between the Julian and Gregorian solar year = 133.33 years
or the rate of slip of the Julian and Gregorian Calendars with
respect to each other is:

1 / (365.25 - 365.2425) = 133.333... years. That is one day in every
133.33 years.

The Mayan Long Count started of the year 3114 BC. Over time the Gregorian and Julian year day drift that was 26 days at the beginning of the Long Count, eventually became the SAME DAY around 325 AD the Council of Nicea occurred.
So 3114 BC plus 325 AD = 3439 years. 3439 years/133.33 years = 25.792 or 26 days. Now, overtime, the Julian started drifting from the Gregorian the opposite way. It started to become behind the Gregorian, not ahead as it was before. Take 2016 minus 325 AD = 1691 years/133.33 = 12.68 days. So from the start date of the Mayan Long Count to the end of the Long Count it is a total of 25.792 days + 12.6825 days = 38.48 days total!

In respect of the slip between the Gregorian solar year of 365.2425 solar days/yr to the Mayan Haab that uses a 365 solar days/yr.

1/(365.2425 - 365) = 4.123 years or for the slip of Julian with the Mayan Haab 1/(365.25 – 365) = 4 years

Here is another way to get that 4.123 years number.

There are 525,600 minutes in a year using Mayan Haab 365 solar day/yr. 1440 minutes per day x 365 = 525,600 min

There are 525,949 minutes in a year using the 365.2425 Gregorian solar year. 1440 minutes per day x 365.2425 = 525,949.2 min

Therefore, there is a difference of 349.2 minutes between the Gregorian minutes (525,949.2 min) and the Mayan Haab minutes (525,600 min) per year. Or 5.82 hours (349.2 minutes/60 minutes per hour = 5.82 hours)

349.2 minute difference between Haab and Gregorian per year divide it by 1440 minutes in a day = .2425 and that number has to do with the Gregorian. 365 year plus .2425 = 365.2425 Gregorian solar year.

Just like the Gregorian calendar and the Julian calendar drifts over so many years. 1 day every 133.333 years, so does the Gregorian calendar with the Mayan Haab. It is 1 day every 4.123 years. 24 hours in a day/5.82 hours = 4.123 or a leap year.

Take 1,872,000 days/365 Mayan Haab solar days/yr = 5128.767/4 years for every Julian leap year = 1282 days.
It would actually be another day greater or 1283 days since this year is a leap year and must be included in the calculation.

If you take the Gregorian date of August 11th, 3114 BC of the start of the Mayan Long Count and add 1,873,283.2 days or 1,872,000 plus 1283.2 days it would = June 1st, 2016 (Gregorian date) or May 19th, 2016 (Julian date).
Gregorian Leap Year Difference 5128.767/4.12371 = 1243.72 days or 1244.72 days including this leap year
Julian Leap Year Difference 5128.767/4 Julian Leap Year = 1282.2 days or 1283.3 days including this leap year
= 38.48 days difference

Other independent researchers have also seen this logic that there is a difference of 1282 days because of leap years.

A forum poster named Kim Gruetzmacher on Live Science Mayan article said:

“They always forget about leap year. Now calculate out 5126 years divided by four adds another 1282 days, divide by 365 days and it is clear that we have another 3.5 years to go before the end. Whew, what luck, I have my last car payment due then. Start your real planning now.”

www.livescience.com...

originally posted by: neutrinostargate
There is no doubt in my mind with my research that the Mayan Long Count calendar ends in about 3 months from now. June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) or May 20th, 2016 (Julian).

The Gregorian calendar that we use now is clearly wrong.

And I can clearly show you why.

well this would certainly fit in with nibiru coming past between april and june.

originally posted by: jinni73

originally posted by: neutrinostargate
There is no doubt in my mind with my research that the Mayan Long Count calendar ends in about 3 months from now. June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) or May 20th, 2016 (Julian).

The Gregorian calendar that we use now is clearly wrong.

And I can clearly show you why.

well this would certainly fit in with nibiru coming past between april and june.

Where have you heard that?

originally posted by: neutrinostargate

originally posted by: peppycat

originally posted by: Daavin
a reply to: Tiamat384

only after 2 pages of vagueness, that kind of shenanigans can be left to facebook. OP if you had posted your findings right off the bat in your original post, you would have had a more welcoming reaction.

I agree. I'm getting all confused and flustered because the topic took so long to be posted and we are still waiting for more?.

Here is a post I did, under a different name, 5 years ago.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is even before knowing about the Mayan Long Count calendar ending at this time (which I started that research about a year ago), and without even knowing about the Mutable Grand Cross alignment at this time too! More and more people too are now beginning to mention this very powerful planetary alignment around June 2nd/3rd, 2016.

Whoa! Are you like a super Astrologer/Astronomer and mathematician? You have put a lot into this!

a reply to: peppycat

Things started to come together for me. It all started adding up. I have spent a considerable amount of time researching this and have more info to post.

Did you see the post I did back in 2011? On that thread I asked if anyone could see if there was a plantary alignment happening at that time since I was curious after research pointing to Bible connections adding up to June 2nd/3rd, 2016. In that thread I actually said, between June 4th-6th, 2016. This was even long before me even researching about the Mayan Long Count adding up to that date!

And did you know too there is a major planetary alignment around June 2nd, 2016?

A few others have seen how important it is!

This poster said,

"So I was reading bible prophecies and started to look into the great tribulation(the 7 year time period described in the bible as god punishing the Jews and the rest of the world). So the bible describes the beast making a "covenant" and breaking it halfway through "1,260 days" (Revelation:11:3) So I got curious and wondered if the Mayan calendar was truly right but predicted just the beginning of the end, I added the 1,260 days to December 21, 2012 and got June 3, 2016. So went to this solar prediction website found that on June 3, 2016 the first 5 planets will be aligned in line. What do you think, kinda different from the usual stuff here. Am I crazy? imgur.com... Also one thing to note is that three days later the date is 6/6/16. "

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Oh hey this old chestnut...time to party like it's 1999 again. Let me save you the worry: the Mayan calendar is a circular/wheel calendar.

Thus all this means is that at the end, somebody just has to get up and turn the record over or put a new one on the player.

Young people may not know about this trick, but then again, I hear vinyl is gradually making more and more of a comeback.

originally posted by: 11andrew34
Oh hey this old chestnut...time to party like it's 1999 again. Let me save you the worry: the Mayan calendar is a circular/wheel calendar.

Thus all this means is that at the end, somebody just has to get up and turn the record over or put a new one on the player.

Young people may not know about this trick, but then again, I hear vinyl is gradually making more and more of a comeback.

June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) is May 20th, 2016 (Julian), and I will explain why May 20th, 2016 is so important later! It has to do with the "end of the world".

2016 june 4 fixed grand cross correlates with Isaac Newtons code (stock bottom)

"Based on Sidereal astrology on June 4th 2016 the planets will form a near perfect grand cross (2 degrees of orb) in the fixed signs. Jupitor in the lion, Saturn in the eagle, Neptune in the man & the sun, moon & Venus in the bull. Ezekiel : as for the likeness of their faces they four had a face of a man, a face of a lion, on the right side & they four had a face of an Ox on the left side they also had a face of an eagle. What is also interesting about this grand cross is Isaac Newton had written that 49 years from June 5 1967 would be important."

canadianmoneyforum.com...

originally posted by: neutrinostargate

originally posted by: VashTheStampede

originally posted by: Daavin
So for giggles I went to your website, which is basically a buy my book BS site. sorry bud but you might want to find another topic the Mayan gravy train left 4 years ago. Oh and BTW that is against ATS T&C policy

I doubt he even read the ATS rules,seems he is just here to troll and insult other members,perhaps soon he will be discovered by a moderator and banned.(hopefully)

Excuse me for insulting after I thought it was a rather insulting original post to me. If people want to take my research seriously, then cool. If not, then don't read it.

This is probably over now, but I've read far enough without the scattering of the legumes that it's time I ask the question on my mind:

Why didn't you just post what you want to post, instead of making a thread to say you're going to post your research and creating a contentious environment? It's not as if there was a race to beat someone else to the topic before you could gather your thoughts and put a thought-out post together.

I'll skip to the end to see if this has gone anywhere yet, or just in circles with no substance. It's skunk works, even if it's nonsense substance, it's ok. You can do that here. Anything less is just a waste of 1's and 0's.

I ope it does happen , then I won't ace to see another rehashed thread !

the problem with your delusion is :

its utterly irrelevant to the facts

when maya and spanish scholars first compared thier calenders - they both knew the correct date in thier respective callender

the " errors " you alledge in european callenders do NOT accumulate a 4 year " error " over 520 years

thus your claim is wrong

its that simple

The Maya are fascinating. But never predicted the end of the world.

Rather the end of a cycle. What the ending of a cycle means, we don't really know. We know what they thought it meant but whether or not that was based on myths/faith or in reality...... I guess we'll never know. If something WAS meant to happen, they'd be severely disappointed had they not mysteriously vanished.

Those who discredit the Mayan calendar as "just a calendar" are wrong. I think it's sheer length and accuracy with the equinoxes is anything but ordinary. They clearly had a great knowledge of space, well beyond their apparent capabilities.

Not the end of the world. The start of a new cycle. What that means, I don't know. But looking around... if anything, the world iss going down hill with little signs of improvement so.... this age sucks.

The Hindu kali yuga cycle was supposed to end in 2016 or 17 too. I remember studying that some years ago.

Plus the illuminatist Alan Moore made that comic claiming "the world as we understand it ends by 2017"

originally posted by: neutrinostargate

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: neutrinostargate

You're the only troll in your own thread. Why wouldn't you just show your "proof" in your OP?

Here is this for now. More to come.

The Gregorian calendar or Gregorian solar year of 365.2425 days/year doesn’t even accurately match a precessional cycle too! The 5128 years of the true Mayan Haab Solar Year of 365 days using 1,872,000 days for the 13 baktuns, (144,0000 days each), perfectly matches the correct processional cycle of 1 degree change every 71.233 years. This is computed by taking 5200 years - 5128.767 = 71.333 years per 1 degree.


The 5128 years of the true Mayan Haab Solar Year of 365 days using 1,872,000 days for the 13 baktuns, (144,0000 days each), perfectly matches the correct processional cycle of 1 degree change every 71.233 years. Again, this is computed by taking 5200 years - 5128.767 = 71.333 years.
And this is how the Mayans figured out precession. They used a 13 baktun cycle of 144,000 days each (or 1,872,000 days total) with a solar year of 365 days. This equates to 5128.767 years. There is 26,000 years in a grand precessional cycle. 26,000 years would be a circle just like 360 degrees. 5200 years x 5 = 26,000 years. What the Mayans did was they took 5200 years subtracted it by 5128.767 years and got to 71.233 years per 1 degree. 360 degrees x 71.233 years per 1 degree = 25,644 years for a full precessional cycle.

Just to note, I am not really interested in your theory about the end of the world, but I am interested in the Math.

Is the Mayan Haab solar year 5128 or 5128.767..... You claim that the 365.25 jargon is wrong because and the Mayans are right, yet you still had to motivate a decimal number to make the math come out right. If the Mayan's actually used fractional amounts I will let this point be, but it seemed strange to me.

I see that you show that their where 13 baktuns of 144,000 days. 144,000 days * 1 year/365 days = 394.52054795...years per baktun. 13 baktuns times that number means 5128.76712329....

I am not sure the Mayans understood irrational numbers and were making computations with them. It makes more sense that they would have rounded to 5128 and so you are being more exact than them thus causing a computational error.

Just an Idea

originally posted by: neutrinostargate
There is no doubt in my mind with my research that the Mayan Long Count calendar ends in about 3 months from now. June 2nd, 2016 (Gregorian) or May 20th, 2016 (Julian).

The Gregorian calendar that we use now is clearly wrong.

And I can clearly show you why.

And I get a calendar every year that ends December 31.

What's your point? That that the Mayans didn't want to write the whole thing over again and just wanted you to go back and start at the beginning again?