Active Shooter Reported at Naval Medical Center San Diego

a reply to: starfoxxx

When you are ambushed the proper strategic move is to attack full on and not dig in, it buys valuable time and forces the assault to change momentum, and it forces the attacker to make a choice, and while you may loose lives you will loose less than turning back or digging in,especially if you are unarmed and the enemy is not.

I agree fight, anyway I hope everyone is safe.

originally posted by: woodsmom
a reply to: joemoe

Did your safety person also instruct you on how to fight an armed person with no weapon? That's seems ridiculous.

It's the standard now.

What seems more ridiculous: Fighting for your life, or cowering in fear and living out your possible last few minutes on earth based on hope.

The fighting part is a last resort, and generally it teaches you that anything that can be picked up and moved is a weapon, which is true.

Fighting an assailant who is armed with a deadly weapon when you are not is absolutely the least intelligent thing for an untrained individual to do, but if it is either that or get killed whilst cowering in fear, I'm fighting.

a reply to: starfoxxx

There's a fine line between heroic and stupid in such circumstances though.

It's all well and good acting macho on the internet but until you're put into such a scenario you cannot really say how you will act, if the most hardened of soldiers can break down in war then it's logical to assume the most macho of civilians can break down in such a scenario.

And the question is more about why official guidelines are changing from run or hide to now include fight, like the previous poster said, it's not like anybody is honestly going to be on the internet looking for advice on what to do and people will do whatever their instincts tell them to do

From the FB thread:

Scanner just indicated someone's reporting the shooter is in building 2 barricaded with children

Hope this is an erroneous report.

a reply to: Discotech

I do not think anyone's position has changed in regards to self defense, the problem is the tactic by Islamists and psychopaths are soft targets with the goal being slaughter and high body count, this is a military type assault and something you see in a war zone, and is not expected domestically as much, and we can argue about the extent of a threat in America, as opposed to other places or who slaughters who more in America (however this is a myopic view and certainly is not looking at the world as a whole) having said that, if you are ambushed and the goal is slaughter, your best strategic move is to attack immediately and quickly, giving no time for reaction by the assailant/s and this will also gain followers and others who will attack with you,instead of laying down or forming a trampling line among a hail of bullets.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

I guess that's where my experience wildly differs from others.

I prefer to be armed if I ever encountered this type of fight. I'm not a coward and would do whatever necessary, armed or not, to get out of a situation and help others. Thing is that I can carry a gun, and don't spend much time in gun free zones. I live in the woods, not the city. The though of directly facing an armed dangerous person without my gun seems like standing up to face a grizzly with a stick in my hand. If my kids were involved and all I had was the stick then so be it, I guess I'm getting squashed.

It makes sense to tuck away and find a heavy object. I have always been under the impression they wanted people to hide essentially. Obviously that hasn't helped in other situations. I'm happy to see people are being encouraged to stand up and have some courage. Hopefully it's not misplaced and lead to more injuries or loss of life.

Hopefully this ends up being a false alarm as someone mentioned. This is a good conversation to have though. The more people talk about it the more prepared they may be if a situation does arise near them.

Broadcastify

^ link to local LEO scanner channel

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Thanks for the link!

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SAN DIEGO (CBSLA.com/AP) — An active shooter who allegedly fired several rounds at the Naval Medical Center in San Diego has reportedly been detained, CBS News said Tuesday.

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Then there's this:

SAN DIEGO – Noe Cordero, San Diego Police Department (SDPD) Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) team member, role plays an assailant during an active shooter drill at Naval Medical Center San Diego’s Naval Branch Health Clinic (BHC), Kearny Mesa as Master-at-Arms Petty Officer 2nd Class David Scott and other observers follow him. The purpose of the drill was to test the hospital’s security response and shelter in-place policies in coordination with the SDPD. More than 30 Sailors and police officers participated in this drill. This was the first drill for the BHC since its grand opening in February of 2013. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Sean P. Lenahan/Released)

NMCSD security force and SDPD hold an active shooter drill at Naval Branch Health Clinic, Kearny Mesa

a reply to: TechniXcality

As I said, it's all well and good acting macho on the internet, until you're put in that very position it's impossible to say how your mind will react and what you will do

In all the terror attacks we've had since 9/11 there's only been 1 instance where the people have fought back and that was on flight 93, surely that's enough to know that even if you manage react to attack immediately among all the panic and mayhem, you cannot put your faith in others to react the same way and even on flight 93 they didn't react immediately.

Expecting a military style response to attack among civilians is incredibly naive

a reply to: woodsmom

Yeah, I have my CCDW permit along with living in an open-carry state, but I work on federal property, so I fall into that gun-free zone crap and have to take the annual training. The training I took at the turn of this fiscal year was the first time that I remember federal training on active-shooter situations include fighting back, but I could be wrong as I generally glaze over when I do that training.

I'm currently in discussion with my congressman about sponsoring legislation to have state law trump federal when it comes to licenses to carry weapons--at the very least, let me keep mine in my vehicle so that I don't have to go without it except for evenings and weekends, ya know.

But anyhow, we're going off on a big tangent. We seem to agree, so take care!

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Ok, so were all done here; thanks Jaded!!!

Glad to hear this

Sorry don't want to compromise anything and put anyone in danger......

a reply to: Discotech

It's naive for you, and I was 11bravo and I served,"acting tough on the Internet" is bitch #, and not something I engage in, there are other examples -the French train where three Americans charged an attacker is another one off the top of my head. Saying you don't know if you haven't been there! is the cry of a cod player,if you do not want to loose your life and or value those lives around you and you are ambushed then attack, it's very simple.

Why can't there be an assortment of guns that are in little cases all along hallways in businesses and malls, etc?
Like the axe behind the glass.

Little handguns in white boxes that say "In case of emergency, break glass"

At least then we'd have something to fight back with.

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: Discotech

It is the NEW policy for employees; education facilities, hid, run or last chance FIGHT to the bitter end

That's what I would do. Fight back. Well, if I was unarmed, I'd find a heavy object, hide and wait until one came around and knock him out and take his weapon. Then save as many people as I could.

originally posted by: Teddy916
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

What does "QRF" stand for?

Quickly Return Fire

a reply to: TechniXcality

Good for you but expecting normal civilians to act with the same military bravado and instinct as yourself honestly is naive.

And ok so we've another example of people fighting back, but notice the similarity of the scenario, one on a plane the other on a train both enclosed environments so it's technically easier to get close to assailant to bring him down, in comparison the French attack in bataclan in the auditorium was a large open arena so much harder and nobody tried to fight back there, also there was more than one assailant. Not to mention one of the guys on the train attack was military but what are the odds that the average civilian is going to think the same way as someone with military training ?

YOU might react the way you are saying you will react, but to expect others who haven't had any form of military training is too assuming, as for you comment saying "is the cry of a cod player" really ? do you have to resort to immature retorts in addressing your point ?

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

The axe isn't a weapon ?

originally posted by: roadgravel
Pretty sad when there is danger people have to be told to run, hide or fight. Has society become brain dead or faces stuck in an iPhone.

"hangon, I'm googling Active Shooter to find out what to do"

True, all three are instant reactions and apply to every man depending... Personally, I'd run to find a weapon, hide until I saw my chance, and then fight. But that's just me.