Sanders and Wife Steered Campaign, Nonprofit Money to Family and Friends

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: introvert

This is not helping a local business. This is millions of dollars including bank fraud. This is not petty either as someone else said. He should be ashamed.

www.citizensforethics.org...

Career politicians...it is what we do NOT need. You can have it. I am not voting for it.

You said it yourself, bank fraud, so are you suggesting the bank or loan creditor at the time is at no fault and it is solely at the fault of Sanders?

Anyways, that "scandal," doesn't really have much to do with your original OP - being that they are soliciting "six-figure," salaries from campaign contributions, which actually ended out being much, much less annually.

Never once do you apologize and admit that you were caught up in it, and posted information you clearly didn't bother fact-checking before - hey man, it's the Internet, not a school - honestly, who gives a #, but I try to at least keep things consistent and objective as I can. Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Elizabeth Warren, Rand Paul, and many others no one has ever heard of, "career politicians," that have seemed to have a decent opinion/standing/voting record compared to some of the chickenhawk margeroning boys from secret societies existing in prestigious institutes that have been leading this country for decades.

You said it yourself - you supported Obama, I never did. Go ahead and read my posts from then, I was one of those guys in the background saying, "Hey, Moneybags and Obummer - it doesn't matter, things will continue as the same if not worse. Vote Ron Paul."

Eight years later, most Americans if knowing the results of 2016 America - would undoubtedly "choose," someone other than Obummer, but we can't go back in time. Instead, the presidential candidates are replaced, the same rhetoric is used, and the same legislations and policies enacted by previous administrations will remain the same.

When has Trump denounced The National Detention Authorization Act?
When has he denounced the Unconstituional Partiot Act?
Where his is disagreement against the Iraq War, in which he now know - know - that there were never any WMD's to be found.

I could go on and on - but please, by all means - continue to throw temper tantrums about "speculation, bias, posts that have no relevance to the topic," you're helping yourself, in the long run.

For over two years - $30,000 was given to his wife.
Over four years - $65,000 to her daughter.

"Bernie Sanders soliciting six-figures from campaign contributions!"

Where are the charges, the lawsuits, surely - someone on the college board would have pressed the Sanders and/or reported on their corruption by now, wouldn't they have? Why is this only being reported on blog websites - not talking about the college "scandal," they "six-figure," scandal - that was entirely fabricated.

You want to talk about a scandal? There exists a scandal, one that man may never speak of. The words foam at the mouth, but the utter dismay ultimately results in demons overtaking ones' soul. This scandal, buried for centuries, only to return again in the 21st century, masquerading as a human... Hilary Clinton.

This is reaching, and really reaching - something sbout "the cowboy," logical fallacy applies here, and searching for articles/blogs such as these to "discredit," whoever it may be. I'm not denouncing that one bit, just trying to add a bit of credibility for those that would rather not wade through the rambling of a clearly-conservative leaning blog that can't, and doesn't even bother, mentioning or differentiating between Democratic Socialism and Socialism.

originally posted by: Konduit
The Sanders fans will always defend their guy, the Trump fans will always defend their guy.

It's best to look at both candidates and realize that unless some drastic changes are made in the next few years, America's money problems are going to be irreversible, making this one of the most important elections in American history.

Between these 2 candidates I feel that Sanders isn't going to get the nomination, and if he did he would be too tied down by the DNC establishment to be able to do what needs to be done outside of their interests.

Trump isn't perfect either but at least he is pissing off both parties, popular enough to get the nomination and knows that politics, like business, is all about deal making.

No, they wouldn't. The Sanders fans would drop him in an instant if he wasn't as great as he is. Politicians with integrity are rare and Bernie has it. The reason there's no other options in the Democrat race is because no one can stand up to Bernie's record, Hillary is only in it because of back room deals and cashing in on favors. If there were weakness from Bernie, several others would pounce. Democrats aren't really loyal to candidates the way Republicans are (I'm sure I'll get some flak for this), that so many like Bernie really says a lot.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: matafuchs

That's the thing, people actually think that Sanders is going to be the Democratic nominee when it's pretty obvious who they are already grooming to be the next POTUS.

I have a feeling there is going to be a lot of unhappy voters on ATS when they see the Clinton ballots next year.

It doesn't matter. People still get to "vote," if they want - I do not understand the point of the MANY posts against all candidates of all parties that say this.

Yes - regardless of what happens, people will be upset. Not trying to generalize you, but comments like these make me question the star/flag system - and reminds me of a mindset I honestly envy:

"The boat is sinking, and some people are attempting to offer up solutions. Some people, are simply sitting there laughing, "the boat is sinking," either unaware/apathetic or both to the fact that the boat is sinking."

Grab a pale and let's work together to come up with solutions. Do we honestly believe that the consistent bantering will help alleviate the consistent bantering that is partisan-politics?

I said it back in 2008, my children's children future is going to be quite different than say my grandparents, parents, and mine - and at what point do we decide in which way that future is shaped?

More warfare?
Government "anti," legislation?
Increased aid to foreign nations?
Bloated beaurocracies and exuberant government spending?
Further restriction on freedoms and greater police force to enforce/apprehend abusers?
A tighter control of corporate-government, in the form of ALEC and the TPP?

Even Bernie rarely speaks of these issues, but at the very least, and these are not my words, I'm quoting Zbigniew Brezenski. You don't believe in a "shadow government," and think those conspiracies are just conspiracies? Take a trip down the rabbit hole that is him. As he said, "For the first time in human history, mankind is politically awaken." Said in Montreal in 2010, in context of terms I quite frankly didn't really understand all too well.

Take it for what you will, but I personally see Bernie as a means for quelling the "rebellion/inserruction," that is this political awakening before it truly begins. I believe Rand Paul was smeared and purposefully ignored by the media in order to prop Mitt Moneybags and Obummer into the forefront. I believe this election cycle is supposed to have the appearance of a "cog thrown in the wheel," and afterwards - business is back to normal, but I'm very cynical and could be absolutely wrong. It happens, and I'm not too fond of ego, so I have absolutely no problem saying, "I could be, and probably could be wrong, so don't take it too hard. It's just my opinion."

These approaches go miles towards twisting and converting articles from blogs in order to slam dunk some political point. Guess what - it's nothing new to ATS, it happens every four years. And after that, no one really give two #s about politics, up until four years later whenever they get to whine and complain and vote in "the guy who will fix it," or at least "we can get that bum out of there."

Same story, same dance, different days, different face. Same outcome.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Slanter

NO racism. Sorry if you do not like religion but it is a right in this country to freely follow a religion and to not be tied down to the religion of the governments choice. NO hate either.

You should be more straightforward in your life and maybe then you can be yourself and not a mindless tax paying drone. Good luck with following the immortal words of a sci-fi author

You mean like how it is a right to self-identify as a Muslim and not have to self-identify to quell other people's irrational fears by wearing special patches?

There's a group of men and women who wear special patches who have killed more American citizens than terrorist attack casualties combined in 2015 - they are called the police, but don't let that little statistic get in the way of your preconceived notions of hipocrocy.

Calling others a mindless tax-paying drone? Ad hom at its finest, you're getting quite the tally for logical fallacies.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: matafuchs

It was payroll for actual services. Are you just angry he hired friends and relatives for the job?

Yeah, I thought it was called: Staff.

Everyone does it. Hell, Trump uses his own products for his own campaign, one could argue one's own companies/products being bought with campaign money is not really different than hiring friends and relatives.

a reply to: Spider879

There's a school here in Illinois that does a "prediction," of every presidential race and had done it for the past few decades, and have been right - 100% of the time.

Guess who the candidate came out to be in 2016?

Bernie Sanders. As I mentioned earlier, I have my questions regarding him. Many people often ask questions such as, "Who would be the best presidential candidate," I personally have to ask (while taking into consideration the virtual no chance that Johnson/Paul have), "Is Bernie truly being honest and would he stand by his words after being in office," because I couldn't see any other candidate being remotely fit for president.

I'm going to make a thread regarding some of the stupid things Donald Trump has said. One of my favorites, "I'm the most militaristic man in this room. I love war... yeah, in a way I love war. I'm good at war... by the way, when was the last time we won one?,"

And also, "You don't have to be a genius and I'm a genius," as well as, "If you're really, really, really smart - like me."

And his wall comments - lol, it sounds like the reaction my nieces would make when building in Minecraft. "I'm going to build a wall, and it will be a Great Wall."

Trump also donated millions to the Clinton Foundation.

Should we start blowing that out of proportion and calling that same sort of illegal manevour and a shady act on behalf of his character? Well - one thing I can tell you, one typically doesn't donate to their future opponents. If Trump isn't a part of, or wouldn't fit in as part of "the establishment," as many say he's not, as just as ridiculous as suggesting that he - more than any candidate - represents the average American.

Average Americans aren't given a small loan of a million dollars (adjust that for inflation in 2016 dollars) in order to help them out. But I digress, "it was rough."

originally posted by: Aazadan
No, they wouldn't. The Sanders fans would drop him in an instant if he wasn't as great as he is. Politicians with integrity are rare and Bernie has it. The reason there's no other options in the Democrat race is because no one can stand up to Bernie's record, Hillary is only in it because of back room deals and cashing in on favors. If there were weakness from Bernie, several others would pounce. Democrats aren't really loyal to candidates the way Republicans are (I'm sure I'll get some flak for this), that so many like Bernie really says a lot.

Yes Yes Lord, now we speaking some truth!!

You're absolutely right about that. In my opinion anyway. Because the key word there is "integrity" and you're right about Bernie having it. I dislike politicians as much as the next guy and mainly it's because they're usually two-faced liars who hug you only to stab you in the back while looking you in the eye and smiling. However, not all of them are like that and there are a few who do actually believe in their position and what they can do for the people and the nation.

Bernie is one of the good ones and has done a lot of good for people in his own state. But most of all he is someone who does what he says and says what he means. Doesn't mean he's got all the answers or all the solutions. Nobody does. Some of his ideas could even seem somewhat radical when compared to how things usually work here. But he's honest and can be relied on to do his absolute best. Most importantly he'll be working for "the people" first and foremost like he's supposed to do.

But it's that integrity which is so important. He's always been someone who fights the good fight for what he believes is the right thing to do. Everyone else in this race I believe would sell out their own mothers if it meant climbing up a rung of the "insiders ladder of success". Well, maybe not Rand Paul either as I think he's also pretty genuine too. But the rest are either completely full of sh*t or overflowing with it.

a reply to: mOjOm

I see Rand Paul having a solid basis and support for the remainder of his involvement in politics, and in my opinion for the better. Ron Paul was an unbelievably shocking breath of fresh air in a presidential election that felt more of a chest-beating contest and typical political-rhetoric (saying a lot, while not saying much at all).

There are videos of Ron Paul actively speaking against legislation on "behalf of the American people," long before the term "career-politician," started being used. By no means is perfect and I don't agree with everything he believe in - that'd be silly, but I truly found him to be a true candidate for president of the United States. Intelligent, educated, calm and collected, great speaker, and he's always seen through and talked of the partisan-paradigm that exists between many Republicans and Democrats.

a reply to: RomeByFire

I was a fan of Ron and I think Rand is the only one I would even consider voting for if I was made to choose from the Right. Again, not because I think he's right on every issue or even that I agree with him or what he wants to do in every case, but because I think he's genuine in what he says and is trying to do.

To me that's just as important as what they plan on doing in office. Because after all, I'm just a person and nothing says my ideas are the correct ones either. So I have to be able to rely on my leader to lead correctly which allows me to follow in confidence of his leadership. So I may not always agree with their idea but I can at least trust them in what they are doing and why they say they're doing it.

I think Bernie has a lot of Ron's supporters too for that reason. Maybe they don't believe in all of his ideas or where he stands on every issue, but they do believe in him and what he intends to do overall and who it will ultimately benefit.

a reply to: RomeByFire

I was more a fan of his Pops Rand Paul, but if I should be forced to vote at gun point for anyone across current party lines today, it would have to be Ron Paul ,there is a problem with that tho, he will bring a lot of Cray Cray from his party along with him.

"Never let the truth (or facts) get in the way of a good story" - Main Stream Media propaganda policy #1.

Clearly, many are feeling the Bern.

a reply to: mOjOm

I was a fan of Ron and I think Rand is the only one I would even consider voting for if I was made to choose from the Right. Again, not because I think he's right on every issue or even that I agree with him or what he wants to do in every case, but because I think he's genuine in what he says and is trying to do.

Christ are we related?? I had pretty much the same answer as did you, pls send me you dna test results lol

a reply to: RomeByFire

Trump also donated millions to the Clinton Foundation.

Sigh! If Bernie doesn't make it, and Ron Paul struck out or do something extremely silly I may have to bite my lower lip and vote Hillary..why?? because Reps have vowed to roll back ACA, women's reproductive rights, unlikely to increase the min wage and further roll back the voting rights act, I'd do this knowing she is corrupt as hell but those issues that I point out may yet be ok until we can primary her ass out of ofice after her first term..

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
"Never let the truth (or facts) get in the way of a good story" - Main Stream Media propaganda policy #1.

Clearly, many are feeling the Bern.

They rehashed the same failed smear story from last year. Pathetic

*sizzle sounds

originally posted by: dogstar23
a reply to: Konduit

America's money problems are going to be irreversible? The Debt:GDP ratio has been trending (slowly) downward in the past few years. IF the economy were to tank, rather than continue growing (hopefully at an accelerating pace) and not outpace the rate of spending increases, then we could start getting into serious problems, but suggesting irreversibility is disingenuous at best, as it ignores both economics and history.

Also, as far as I know, nobody was panicking in the 1940's when the debt was 40% larger as a percentage of GDP (the only measure that matters.) It took awhile to get back down below 30%, but it happened.

Next year the deficit will be 21 trillion... and it's not going down. And guess who America owes a large part of that money to? China.

The FED can only print money backed by nothing but computer digits and thin air for so long. The numbers you are talking about are cooked by the same people that are propping up the country on useless paper.

Eventually the bubble is going to burst, and it will make what happened in 2008 look like a picnic.

Of course, he hired his family to work for his campaign. It's not out of the ordinary and definitely not against the law. Threads like this show they really have nothing against the man. Great job Bernie by not being in the pockets of the rich and having your candidacy handed to you through corporate powers.

This is an old story.

And I believe there is already a thread here on ATS discussing this.

It was found out that while yes. He did hire family.

Nothing illegal about it was found.

This was a non story.

a reply to: matafuchs

S.O.P.

Soon will come ropes and trees, torches and pitchforks, goon boots and mobs.

Meanwhile riots will be provocated so the units can get their training in on the socially acceptable targets.

originally posted by: matafuchs
I am not peddling propaganda. I am posting about something that I don't like. First, do not assume that you know who I am especially based on some online posts.

I liked Bernie. I like Obama when he ran. I did not not trust him in the end run and this, to me, shows me that Bern is a career politician. That is not what I am looking for in a candidate. I am looking for someone who is traightforward and certainly not afraid to defend himself.

After the BLM rally where Bernie stepped back, I wanted to know more about the person who could take the nod from Hillary. I was not impressed but I also did not hate him. I hate Hillary. I really do. She has no ethics, morals or class by how she acts. The POTUS is simply a notch in her bedpost and a way for Bill to get laid in the oval office one more time.

I like Trump. I also like Rand, and Huckabee. They are all, to me, very straightforward.

It does not matter because most of you are here not to offer a different view but simply unsupported opinion or one sentence wanna get star posts..

You are peddling propaganda, plain and simple. Many others have pointed this out to you in previous threads. Sorry you just like to turn a blind eye to facts. Thats your problem not ours. You push this out on ATS, we fact check it and prove it wrong. What am I missing here?

None of you read about the Non-Profit and what they did there, have you? All of the posts are referring to how it is ok to pay family. I am not saying that it is not legal to do that. I am simply pointing out that he is running on a platform of being the regular guy and not a career politician and someone who can make a difference but he is not. He is the same old part of the establishment use my elected office to gain for my family. Politicians like that make me sick but it seems ok in your eyes. Fine.

But the school that is the NOn-Profit that was used to funnel funds and take out loans that caused millions in losses to other organizations that they were associated with and used shows that they are a family that is corrupt. I would never vote for someone who presents one face and does something else.

As far as MysticShrooms attempt to say

Yeah, I thought it was called: Staff.

Everyone does it. Hell, Trump uses his own products for his own campaign, one could argue one's own companies/products being bought with campaign money is not really different than hiring friends and relatives.

The difference is Trump is not using campaign money. He is using his own. If he was using campaign money from donations for a private jet I would think it was a misuse of funds also.

Call it what you want, an old smear piece,etc, but what she along with him was fraud. She came away with 200,000 dollars in illegally obtained funds.

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