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Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Desecrating Land

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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:09 PM
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So we have these militia guys protesting about Federal over reach (among other things) ... and now the Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the militia guys leave because their ancestral lands because they are desecrating it:



With the armed occupation of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon in its fifth day, a local Native American tribe says the militants are "desecrating sacred property."

Oregon Public Broadcasting's Amanda Peacher tells our Newscast unit that Burns Paiute tribal leaders denounced the militants and demanded that they leave. "The 190,000-acre wildlife refuge is within Paiute ancestral lands," Amanda says.

Tribal Chairperson Charlotte Rodrique says that she is "offended by occupiers' statements about returning the land to its rightful owners," Amanda reports.

"You know, who are the rightful owners?" says Rodrique. "It just really rubs me the wrong way that we have a bunch of misinformed people in here — they're not the original owners."

According to Paiute story and legend, the tribe has lived in this area since "before the Cascade Mountains were formed."


So not only do the locals in Oregon not want these guys there, now the Native Americans who lived in the area long before any of these white Europeans showed up want them to go too.

More:



Rodrique told Amanda that she sees "the federal refuge managers as partners in helping protect the tribe's cultural artifacts."

The anti-federalist militants say they are occupying the building in support of Dwight and Steven Hammond — two ranchers who were convicted of arson on federal lands. Those ranchers have not publicly supported the takeover and turned themselves in to serve their sentences on Monday.

Ryan Bundy, one of the group's leaders, had said Monday that they would leave if local residents asked them to. But on Tuesday, he reversed that stance to OPB, saying that "the purpose of this whole thing is getting people excited. And [the people in Harney County] are excited that this is taking place."


NPR.org

This whole thing thing is getting zanier and weirder by the minute. What does ATS think about this latest development? Should these guys listen to the Native Americans?
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:12 PM
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The tribes have a good point.




posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom




This whole thing thing is getting zanier and weirder by the minute. What does ATS think about this latest development? Should these guys listen to the Native Americans?


Why should they? Right Wing Conservatives consider Native Americans a conquered people. Thus SOL....Take your casino money, stay on the Rez and stfu.
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: MystikMushroom




This whole thing thing is getting zanier and weirder by the minute. What does ATS think about this latest development? Should these guys listen to the Native Americans?


Why should they? Right Wing Conservatives consider Native Americans a conquered people. Thus SOL....


How do you know that those who are standing up for their rights are all right wingers? Democrats used to think "negro's" were second class humanoids, so do you really want to be ignorant enough to make it left versus right, when regardless of political party a point in time comes where some decide to hold their government to the law they are supposed to represent?


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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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Why did the tribe not protest the US government building the structures on their land...seems the cart before the horse.

I beliveve them, but why not the entire history of this land?
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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I really don't care what Native Americans think just because they're Native Americans.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom
Are you of European ancestry?



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom
It's not the first time sacred land has been desecrated in one way or another. It won't be the last.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: Granite
Why did the tribe not protest the US government building the structures on their land...seems the cart before the horse.

I beliveve them, but why not the entire history of this land?


That's a good point too !!



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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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I love how liberals are always quick to point out that the white man ruined Native American civilization but that accepting millions of Muslims Africans and whatever else the cat drags in will simply be culturally enriching.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: Moegotti
I love how liberals are always quick to point out that the white man ruined Native American civilization but that accepting millions of Muslims Africans and whatever else the cat drags in will simply be culturally enriching.


You just have to realize that they hate white people. Even white left wingers hate white people.
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:40 PM
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I find it interesting how there are always these attempts to demonize a movement that could pose problems for the government. The media and certain groups did it with this case, the Cliven Bundy case, Occupy, the Tea party and any other movement that attempts to break up the status quo. Don't you see that it only serves to keep a large corrupt bureaucracy in power?



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Moegotti
I love how liberals are always quick to point out that the white man ruined Native American civilization but that accepting millions of Muslims Africans and whatever else the cat drags in will simply be culturally enriching.


You just have to realize that they hate white people. Even white left wingers hate white people.


Sad..............

I guess if you are white, self loathing is now trendy?



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: Domo1
I really don't care what Native Americans think just because they're Native Americans.


That's how 400 years of cultural genocide happened


These guys are a bunch of idiots. They are either going to leave peacefully, after nothing gets accomplished, or it's going to be another WACO.

~Tenth
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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Besides the NAs the other white locals don't want the militia there either and without support of the locals, you ain't got jack.

www.usatoday.com...

Even some other militias don't support Bundy and his crew.

www.newsweek.com...
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posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:51 PM
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These guys are a bunch of idiots. They are either going to leave peacefully, after nothing gets accomplished, or it's going to be another WACO.


Were you as outraged when the BLM stole the land from the people, why is it so crazy that they want the land to benefit the people and not big business?



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Granite
Why did the tribe not protest the US government building the structures on their land...seems the cart before the horse.

I beliveve them, but why not the entire history of this land?


That's a good point too !!



Are they going to let the FEDs back on it and they get a small reservation again?

I think Amon should have a peace talk with the Piute chief and make a deal where the Feds are left a very small corner of this refuge.



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: Granite

That would be an interesting scenario.




posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: Granite
Why did the tribe not protest the US government building the structures on their land...seems the cart before the horse.

I beliveve them, but why not the entire history of this land?


Your question is answered in the OP:


Rodrique told Amanda that she sees "the federal refuge managers as partners in helping protect the tribe's cultural artifacts."



posted on Jan, 6 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'm waiting for the Kardashians to chime in before I offer a substantial opinion.



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