All this anti Muslim propaganda is having an effect...

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: neo96

Can't the moderates worry about both?

According to the FBI muslims is not the number one religious group that get's hate.

That was pointed out in the ops OTHER thread with the SAME subject matter.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The propaganda sure is having an effect.

Telling people 2+2=5

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LSU0408

Nobody brings their kids up to be Christians that hate gays.

Wow. What planet do you live on?

Earth. Are you telling me that since I don't support gay marriage, I hate gays?

Puppets. today Muslims, tmrw Buddhists, before u know it, NO one left in America

Heck it was the natives land anyway and karmas a b!

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
I just don't agree that anyone is being afraid willingly. If you hear a loud boom go off behind you, your response is automatic. You do not respond willfully, your actions after identifying the source and your level of danger, may be willful.

And that's what I mean. Of course, in the middle of an attack, people are going to be frightened. But after the fact, if you abandon all reason and irrationally "fear" all Muslims, then you are willingly fearful.

Fear is something we all feel, but we can let it consume us and allow it to control our actions, OR we can face our fears and REFUSE to let it control our actions. If one lets fear dictate their actions, they are giving into it.

I don't have anything against being prudent. But it is impossible to prevent 100% of incidents. I refuse to live in fear. That's all we have to do. Refuse it. Or embrace it and let it be our guide. Which master will you serve? Fear or Love?

Wait until we get hit big time again muslims will be running for their lives. The tolerance of the West is growing short.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: and14263

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: and14263

this is not actually entirely true some percentage of muslim parents bring their children up to hate the west,telling them how great the mother land is and how we the west have destroyed it ,and totally ignore the fact they have been fighting amoung themselves

Yes.

And some parents bring their children up to be homosexual hating Christians - but not all.

EDIT: I wonder what the percentage is you talk of?

Clever. False, but clever. Nobody brings their kids up to be Christians that hate gays. You people claim that anyone that disagrees with gay marriage is a gay hater.

What about those westboro baptist church folks?

I'm pretty sure that is what they do but only know what I have read in the news so could be incorrect on this?

Well, every Christian I've ever heard from detests those fools from Westboro that claim to be Christians. They'll be burning in hell when their lives expire.

That was in response to your claim that no christians raise there children to hate gay people.

Are you saying that although they claim to be christian they are in fact a radical extreme faction of christianity and the VAST majority of christians do not feel the same way?

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Right but they still weren't put through the vetting process we are talking about now with Syrian Refugees.

No I don't usually say the government is good at much other than war and lying. But the fact remains that the vetting system for Syrian Refugees is pretty involved.

Documentation from foreign countries is often missing or forged easily.

Okay but is that good enough reason to halt ALL immigration from certain groups of people? Besides ISIS would have an easier time it seems, to me at least, to radicalize some American youth already disenfranchised with the system to carry out acts of terror on American soil.

I wasn't implying it was perfect, I simply refuse to believe it's as poor as the EU's standards right now.

~Tenth

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
All three are about equal in terms of likelihood.

You're probably right. But I plan to do my part. Remember... imagination is the beginning of creation. Good luck on the supermodels thing...

a reply to: LSU0408

No, I wouldn't say you hate gays, but unless you support an equivalent civil union or some other such thing that's basically marriage without the religious connotation, I'd definitely say you don't support the constitution.

Honestly, I think marriage should have never been associated with taxes or government to begin with. "Separation of church and state", after all. Marriage should have been something that people could choose to do or not do, like a birthday party. Instead of what we have now as "marriage", something quick, clean and efficient. Say, "registered partner."

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: LSU0408

Anybody who raises children to look at people with contempt - biblically speaking, is teaching kids to hate.

~Tenth

It's a natural instinct. I'd be more inclined to say that children are taught to feel sorry for people that are different. They're not taught to hate. My kids get grossed out if they see two guys or two girls touch on TV. I'm definitely not going to tell them it's ok. But it's not because I hate gays. Claiming I'm a hater is just the front people have put up to label people that don't 100% agree with them or support them.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: and14263

this is not actually entirely true some percentage of muslim parents bring their children up to hate the west,telling them how great the mother land is and how we the west have destroyed it ,and totally ignore the fact they have been fighting amoung themselves

And some percentage of Christians bring their children up to hate other races aka white supremacists. As long as the human race continues to see each other as different rather than as the same species there will always be hate and division on both sides. The stupid thing is we are all stuck on the same rock floating through the vastness of the universe and we can't get over "who's version of the bearded man in the sky is better" or "if there is even a bearded man in the sky" or "this imaginary line is my country stay out" or "you are a different colour to me therefore I hate you". We are doomed to fail as a species unless as a whole we get over the smallminded petty # that is going on.

No different than the animal instincts in the wild. They have their boundaries and other animals know not to cross that boundary. And they'll kill to make their point.

I think we are a bit more evolved than animals.... Well some of us anyway.

You'd think. We all have the same instincts though. If someone comes into your yard posing a threat, do you greet him with a smile or take caution?

And all Muslims wordwide are a threat? That's the issue here, do you view every Muslim as someone who is going to kill you?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I'd help you with that if I were a US citizen.

I'd prefer the wormhole to the end of time and space, to be honest. One would be a simple moment of fleeting carnal pleasure, the other an indescribable and incomprehensible experience that would last a lifetime. Quite literally. Albeit a very cut-short life time, as I doubt the conditions would be very hospitable to human life.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Right but they still weren't put through the vetting process we are talking about now with Syrian Refugees.

No I don't usually say the government is good at much other than war and lying. But the fact remains that the vetting system for Syrian Refugees is pretty involved.

Documentation from foreign countries is often missing or forged easily.

Okay but is that good enough reason to halt ALL immigration from certain groups of people? Besides ISIS would have an easier time it seems, to me at least, to radicalize some American youth already disenfranchised with the system to carry out acts of terror on American soil.

I wasn't implying it was perfect, I simply refuse to believe it's as poor as the EU's standards right now.

~Tenth

I would think that a terrorist trying to sneak into the US would be pretty foolish to do so under the guise of a Syrian refugee right now.

I would have thought that the US is keeping a pretty keen eye on them right now.

It would make far more sense to enter as a business man or tourist or even sneak over the border but not as a Syrian refugee that would be plain stupidity imo.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: LSU0408

I clearly stated western standards for people seeking refugee status.

This would not apply as the EU and the UK do not have such fleshed out systems of vetting.

And besides that's point, it's much harder to cross an ocean as a terrorist, than it is a landmass where all this is concerned.

~Tenth

It's no harder for a terrorist to cross an ocean than it is for a refugee to cross an ocean. The CIA has already told Americans that ISIS soldiers are trying to come over with Syrian refugees. You can take that with a grain of salt, but I can't.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LSU0408

Nobody brings their kids up to be Christians that hate gays.

Wow. What planet do you live on?

Earth. Are you telling me that since I don't support gay marriage, I hate gays?

I wouldn't imply that, however that is an oppressive view and is a problem. I could somewhat understand if you said something along the lines of 'Churches can choose for or against gay marriage ceremonies'. But being against Gay marriage as a whole is bad.

Religion isn't an excuse to oppress anyone, for any reason.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: forkedtongue

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

The irony of this statement...is palpable.

~Tenth

Sounds like a difference of opinions.

There is a difference between a difference of opinions and not realising that your beliefs are misguided and misinformed.

Same could be said about your beliefs. See my point yet? A difference of opinions.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Flatfish

Imagine how ISIS might be royally screwed if we, in the US (and the West), EMBRACED every Muslim here. Imagine if we all started to seek out ways to protect the Muslims that are being attacked (illustrated in the OP)... We could offer to go places in public with them and do whatever necessary to keep them safe from the fear-mongering bigots...

What if the story of love and acceptance got back to ISIS? It's a wonderful thought...

Imagine...

Actually, that sounds pretty doable. I'll remember that next time I see a Muslim and offer my assistance if it appears to be at all necessary.

On the down side, I feel quite confident that those who propagate the anti-Muslim rhetoric while espousing their own Christianity will not hesitate to target me right along with the Muslim I'd be escorting.

Kinda the same way ISIS is more than willing to target Muslims would don't share their extremist views or, the way the KKK would also target white people who supported the civil rights movement.

The similarities between the two are mind-blowing.

Maybe we should play John Lennon's "Imagine" from loud speakers across America 5 times a day as a call to unity.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: forkedtongue

They are too blinded by their ideologies.

The irony of this statement...is palpable.

~Tenth

Sounds like a difference of opinions.

There is a difference between a difference of opinions and not realising that your beliefs are misguided and misinformed.

Same could be said about your beliefs. See my point yet? A difference of opinions.

Well that depends on weather your beliefs are based on fact and rational or fiction and dogma.

It is also dependant of weather you are prepared to change your beliefs if they prove to be incorrect or if you will refuse to alter your opinion even when faced with irrefutable evidence to suggest they are incorrect.

a reply to: Flatfish

You know what's also the most hilarious thing? It's actually the best method of directly combating infiltration, too.

But just like how the best method of combating homelessness is to just give them a home (it's cheaper, surprisingly) people won't do it out of small-mindedness.

It warms my heart to see Islam being defended with such fervor.

A religion that has a WORSE track record on women, and gay rights than that other most villainous one that starts with a C.