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Creationists, may I ask you...

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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu
Evolution doesn't disprove god, just the one you were taught to believe in as a child. God and evolution can coexist, but no current religion and evolution can exist together.

You may say it but do you genuinely believe God, in all his infinite wisdom, created amino acids to one day evolve into a single cell organism? Why not create animals/humans at their currently established form through evolution ?




posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: scorpio84




-trolling
-rude behavior


First of all, it's a known fact that rude behavior, insults, trolling,
and derailing. Come far more from your own camp of supposed
intellectuals. No one needs statistics to know where that kind
of childishness begins. Remember, you have the atheists in your
camp.

Second, the word evolution exists with definition. To say we do not
believe in evolution is ridiculous, because if evolution wasn't happening
somewhere? There would be no word for it.


because...

God



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: scorpio84
Evolution: Based on data that can be observed and tested.

Creationism: Based on an ancient book that has been consistently translated inaccurately and which contains several errors

Both are true.


How are both true when there is only evidence of one? And you can't even fall back on supernatural powers to examined the lack of evidence for your proposition.


You can ask any professional computer programmer for verification.


Complete BS strawman here. Writing code and software is in no way comparable to what occurs in biological organisms. It's a false analogy.




Day 6 was going perfect with Neanderthal man until Enki (Annunaki leader) spliced human dna to turn them into slaves.


Why would they do that? HN were at least as smart as we are today and physically superior to us. They would have made much better workers unaltered.

Furthermore, when in the 3-400 KA history of HN did this magical 'day 6' occur? Because they were in decline before HSS left Africa and as a result of dwining populations, were plagued with deleterious mutations as a result of inbreeding.



Then when humans eventually rebelled, Enlil (Yahweh) used scalar weaponry and flooded the planet. Sad that out of probably millions of humans all Yahweh could find was one slave family - Noah's family.


Even sadder that this flood never happened and there's zero evidence supporting it. Ease feel free to post citations though if you feel I am in error. T


The Annunaki's created their Book of Lies (Bible) that the God Presence is constantly attacking hence why there are so many contradictions in the book.


If the annunaki, which there isn't an iota of evidence supporting outside of Sitchins elementary school attempts at translating text he didn't have the background in, write the bible, why did they take soong to do so and why did they employ so many human editors to rework their book over a period of roughly 2000 years from the earliest hints of the Pentatuch to the final revisions of the NT in the 5th century CE? It really took them over 1900 years to accomish this task but they can splice genetics? Cognitive dissonance much?



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Evolution doesn't disprove god, just the one you were taught to believe in as a child. God and evolution can coexist, but no current religion and evolution can exist together.

You may say it but do you genuinely believe God, in all his infinite wisdom, created amino acids to one day evolve into a single cell organism? Why not create animals/humans at their currently established form through evolution ?


Looks really good when you have to keep changing the definition.



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

I love you Randy but that's a complete strawman to compare a physical mother to a supernatural entity. Mothers show their love and devotion to their children day in and day out without question( in most cases, there are lists of #ty parents out there that don't give a crap but that's not the point). We simply accept that God loves us because on most cases it's what we were brought up to believe without question. One is a real physical entity we interact with and the other is a faith based entity that may or may not exist. Not the most concrete analogy my friend.



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: scorpio84

It hurts me to hear of christians with a wealth of knowledge in biology and still believe in the religious god they were fortunate enough to have bestowed upon them.

When the answer to a cause is "it's god" you are no longer helpful in the lab.



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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I don't even see why this argument exists at all...

Young earth creationism has only been around for about 400 years...

The idea first appeared in the 1600s in a book called "The Annals of the Old Testament" as far as I know... before which the theory of a 6k year old earth didn't even exist

And the concept isn't even biblical in the least...

Give it up people...




posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: peter vlar

Shocked you even responded to that point.



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

Date didn't exist because scholars up to that point didn't trace the bloodlines to come up with the date. If people attempted before hand they would have come to the same conclusion based off family trees

Couldn't be more biblical if you wanted.
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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: rossacus

The bishop that created this theory used the "genealogies" within the bible to come up with the date...

Dude broke it down to the very month the earth was created

The idea was bunk from the very start

and No it isn't biblical.... there is no date for creation in the entire bible... not even a proposed date


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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: scorpio84

It hurts me to hear of christians with a wealth of knowledge in biology and still believe in the religious god they were fortunate enough to have bestowed upon them.

When the answer to a cause is "it's god" you are no longer helpful in the lab.


Hurts me to see Christians changing the definition instead of changing the belief



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: rossacus

I always respond to Randy. Despite his usual replies, He's a big softy and we agree on more than we disagree on and I consider him a friend. We will always try to call the other out on tom foolery. I just happen to be right on this matter and he's wicked wrong haha



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Akragon
Just think of it as reverse engineering. If you know how long someone lived for, when the parents gave birth, you can trace it back to Adam and Eve. Then you can take away 6 days and boom. You got the day the earth was created. You do realise others have studied this.

Good olde DNA saves the day again. Lol

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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: scorpio84
Please, do the world a favor and educate yourself before you spout out nonsense.

If your OP is any indication of the result of an education...

I'll pass, thank you very much.

I actually prefer non-fiction myself.

Science and education are nothing but MASSIVE forms of mind control.

That sig quote below is right you know: "universities destroy knowledge..."

Most of us have enough sense to realize the difference between education and truth.


“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” ~ Joseph Stalin

As another man without a high school diploma, I discovered many years ago that the "educated" class is generally not educated at all, it is mis-educated. The whole purpose of American (perhaps all "western") "higher education" is obviously to bring minds into lock step with "The Agenda." As a general rule, the less official American education a person has been exposed to, the greater his/her ration of common sense.

"Education" is Spiritual Suicide

Modern course work in universities does not widen the scope of a student’s knowledge, it narrows it. It doesn’t cultivate wisdom. It cultivates ignorance. It doesn’t teach students to become independent and self-responsible citizens, rather, it conditions them to become more and more dependent upon the system of corporate employment and governmental assistance. It doesn’t encourage free thought and the questioning of external authority, but rather to accept unconditionally the official version of everything.

What today’s universities accomplish is to turn young students with malleable, questioning minds into rigid, unthinking drones destined to become cogs in the machinery of modern society, machinery that has been wholly devised and developed by none other than our aptly named Machine Men. In short, universities are institutional tools that manufacture unthinking and incurious machines – namely, graduates

wadevenden.wordpress.com...

"...the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It asserts that change agents have been working at the Education Department to change curriculum, not to improve teaching but to promote a socialist agenda. Their role is to create schools which will mold obedient citizens who no longer have the knowledge and skills to improve their lot in life, but are dependent on government/multi-national companies' guidance to survive. The system will create imprisoned citizens that will be managed from cradle to grave to serve the needs of the state's managed economy."

Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot. The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism.

A 100 yr. Silent War on Education



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: rossacus

I prefer to think of it as nonsense... just like Adam and Eve...

One would have to assume the age of all of these people were accurate, including the age of when they lived... and for how long, and exactly when they died...

And of course all this "accurate" info has been preserved for approx. 4k years... Even though the OT was first written down about 600 years before Christ... before which it was preserved as oral traditions

Makes perfect sense...


Im sure you're also for the doctrine of "inerrancy" as well... which is a Joke

Oh and By the way... that isn't DNA... LOL


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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Murgatroid
Lmao. These stitches are starting to hurt now, barely recovered from your last on enow this. All quotes from people without further education.

How is someone studying geography fit into this agenda. Do the teachings of different types of clouds reinforce the agenda. Lmao.

I will make a safe assumption you didn't go to university otherwise you wouldn't spout this #e.
In not a single seminar was I ever subjected to mind control, on a conscious level or not.



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

A reference to bloodline. Was hoping you got it but clearly not . I'm assuming lots of other aspects aren't nonsense no doubt.



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: rossacus

Sure theres accurate info in the bible...

Problem is Young earth creation isn't in the bible.... period

The theory was flawed from the beginning... and morons like Ken Ham keep the joke running to this day




posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: rossacus
In not a single seminar was I ever subjected to mind control, on a conscious level or not.

You're beginning to sound just like the gullible girl in the Allstate commercial.

The cult of scientific fundamentalism is just as dangerous as any other cult out there if not more so.

Your faith in it will only disappoint you in the end.


In the entire history of man, no one has ever been brainwashed and realized, or believed, that he had been brainwashed. Those who have been brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply been "shown the light" . . . or have been transformed in miraculous ways.
Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public

How do you know if you have fallen prey to the cult of 'Scientism'? Answer this question: Can you differentiate between the collective human understanding of 'how' things work in our material world, and the 'why' of how they came to be that way. (or even why it does what it does at all.) Those are two very different questions, that scientists, (who frequenty are very bad philosophers,) often get mixed up. Never forget that 'science' can be as abused for the sake of religious or anti-religious preconceptions as equally as the Bible can be, on both sides of a debate.

This becomes readily obvious when you investigate the unquestioned assumption that most Atheist-leaning scientists tenaciously hold on to as their 'modus operandi'. One way to state this foundational belief is: "Only statements that are verifiable through a scientific method can be held as truth, or objectively knowable."

Now anyone, who has taken a moment to study Epistemology, [the study of how rational thought might determine truth,] should immediately notice the logical fallacy of the above statement. And hopefully those with some common sense might spot it also.

Combating the cult of "Scientism."



posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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Why do people even argue with creationists? They are clearly bias with religion and will make up any argument to support their beliefs.

Creationism falls in the same catagory at flat earth, the moon being made of cheese, and superman.



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