Stop posting propaganda!!

a reply to: and14263

There are still good journalists out there.

Look at Al Jazeera-A media outlet that does it's job as it's supposed to be done yet some folk in the west will see the name and immediately dismiss it because the name sounds too 'islamy' despite the fact that some of their reporters have been jailed for doing what they are paid to do; putting their ears to the ground and calling it as it is instead of sitting at a desk and receiving second hand info. When was the last time anyone heard of a FOX foreign correspondent?

OP, Thank you for this. People throw out the term all the time, and many times you can see clearly they don't really know what it means. If they did, they would be able to see it themselves. There are ALWAYS two sides to every story. Learn both, then make a decision, rather than blinding supporting one side, no matter the subject matter.

anxiouswens

I appreciate you, I do. You are not a coward. But the little boy washing up on the beach isn't propaganda. It's a fact. It was used repeatedly because the public needed to see the OTHER SIDE of the story.

I think this sort of stuff this be in the Ben Swann forum. I had this thread prepped for a while but lost it. I can’t sit back and read some of these threads without posting this though. I’ll admit, some of these examples I’ve used aren’t the originals I found but they serve a purpose. I also bashed it out in 5 minutes at work.

Lol are you referencing to this thread? www.abovetopsecret.com...

Have you even read my post I SAID that that news story was propaganda, but that the truth was a boy drowned!!! Thereis truth in a lot of the new articles regardless of what the political wording is. I have noticed that you say everything is propaganda so therefore there is no point in anyone posting anything!a reply to: and14263

a reply to: Hecate666

I'll reply properly later but yes both sides biased, both sides use propaganda.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Sorry will read .again tonight.

Oh I agree that the little boy dying was a FACT and I have said that in my post, that was the truth.

The definition of propaganda is:-

1.information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view:

However, the propaganda bit was the story that went with those photos. One Headline used the photo and said that the father was desperate, the other headline said the father wasn't desperate and had worked in Turkey for a couple of years. There were also other photos doing the rounds at the time allegedly showing the child before the photo was taken that was all over the papers. Some were saying the photo had been staged. So one of the news articles either way was trying to mislead the public either to get sympathy or to anger people.

All I am saying it is up to people to look through those propaganda headlines and somewhere behind them is usual some truth but that is up to people to decide what their truth is.

I just think if the OP is saying don't post any propaganda then we may as well say nothing should be posted because nearly every news article or source is politically motivated or biased. As someone has said above one person's propaganda is another person's conspiracy.
that a reply to: angeldoll

originally posted by: angeldoll


anxiouswens

I appreciate you, I do. You are not a coward. But the little boy washing up on the beach isn't propaganda. It's a fact. It was used repeatedly because the public needed to see the OTHER SIDE of the story.

On the contrary that was propaganda ...

As I posted on another thread, my personal hate is the way children

are used as emotional blackmail to fulfil any agenda required.


Is a adult life of any less value than that of a child??


The father of the two children concerned took them into danger,

they were not in imminent danger having resided in Turkey for

some two years or so. As a parent I would not have taken the

dangerous chance on putting my children in an unsafe boat in

the sea.

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: and14263

I have some thoughts on what you posted (none of which are disagreements) but for the moment I'll add some fuel to the fire.

The TOP story on the once respectable New York Post website this morning.... TOP STORY....
"How I told my parents I'm a porn star."

and that wasn't a story. it was an advertisement for a book by the people "interviewed" in the new york post article.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
However behind all the propaganda is usually a truth. Take the story of the little boy who died recently and was shown on a Turkish beach. That story pulled at the heartstrings of many in Europe and the UK. In fact it was because of that story why some pushed our government into accepting 20,000 people. After the initial heart wrenching photos other photos started coming out on the internet and we heard other stories about the father. So which version to believe. However, I don't think we need to believe any the simple truth of the matter was that a refugee child died at sea and I would think most intelligent people can see through the grabbing headlines to serve a political point and then make their own decisions as to their own truth.

I see what you're saying now... There was indeed a story behind the photo but it was the choice of the media to shove it in our faces which hides the truth and promotes their agenda - as you say.

With regard to all the refugees coming into Europe I don't need propaganda to tell me there are many coming. Anyone can see that. Again you have the propaganda where some articles show all the children and the words desperate are used and then you have the other side where all the men are shown and the words terrorists are shown. Again, it is up to people to make their own informed judgments on which is the truth.

Very true - I don't believe most people can make informed judgments because there is not the correct information out there, and there never will be. I believe you and other members do make informed decisions though.

I do believe there is a huge agenda to get the populace focused on either loving or hating refugees, whilst underneath something else is happening - divide and conquer.

If you don't want people to post propaganda then you may as well say people aren't allowed to post any sources regardless of where they come from even if they are official because again official articles are used for a purpose.a reply to: and14263

I guess rather than not posting propaganda I should be clearer and say - If you're going to post propaganda highlight it as such and do not treat it as a valid story. Discuss the piece as propaganda and what it is trying to achieve.

Sorry for not taking in your post properly - I hope this reply make sup for that a bit.

a reply to: eletheia

I have to disagree, sorry.
First of all those biases work on both sides, those that have an unwanted view and those that have a wanted view. It doesn't make one side more informed than the other.

Definitely - both sides of an argument in the media use propaganda - there is the illusion that all arguments are two sided but most arguments have many, many sides to consider.

Secondly, and this is where my disagreement stems from. Whilst most people are indeed easily lead [in this case most 'propaganda' by the news is on the side of the poor 'refugees' and how everyone disagreeing is a Nazi] but there is also a vast amount of opinion that changes with experience. Not every opinion is made by the MSM, you have completely ignored personal experiences that will shape opinions, often into the complete opposite!

Personal experience does indeed have the greatest effect on our opinions. However in the case of most propaganda on here it is taking advantage of the fact that none of us can have ground level experience - or only the minority do. So there are very few genuine opinions formed by experience. I made a thread asking people who lived in migrant affected areas to post photos, videos, interviews - non propaganda, user generated truths - but nothing came of it - it's hard to get the voice of truth from those who are directly affected, it gets lost in the clouds of propaganda.

I know what you're saying though however in my opinion personal experience is often misled by the media, I can't completely overlook it though.

To say that all people are brainless and believe everything they are told is also unfair, there is a good amount of people who are just as clever as you and can see through all the BS.

People are very intelligent but the techniques used by the media are very clever and repeatedly so. I don't think people are stupid BUT many of the most intelligent people will sit and have a conversation based upon propaganda, believing they are addressing major issues, when in fact they are just towing the media agenda.


I hate replying to posts using the quote - answer - quote - answer format (as I have above) - but in the interests of addressing your reply I thought it was the easiest way to put my ideas down in relation to yours.

a reply to: and14263

Very nice, well written too!

What sticks out in my mind now, with distance from my own country, is becoming aware of a tiny detail, that makes all the difference - that, especially in America, there is this expectation, (and most often claim) of pure objectivity in the press.

It only stands out to me now because I got used to the french view which doesn't even bother with what they see as ridiculous idealism. It is assumed that any report, any story, will be tinged somehow with subjectivity. There is just no way to avoid it, it is human nature, no matter how hard they try to be purely objective.

So everything they read or see is looked upon with that in mind (with a pinch of salt, if you will).

It changes drastically the effect upon you! For one, the push button tactics with emotionally charged words is felt, but consciously attributed to the author - not the self.
Second, it keeps one open to other sources of information; even encourages it. If you feel you have already gotten the cold hard objective truth, you won't feel any need to look further... you will even consider that any reports which oppose it in any way are, necessarily false, so not worth reading/watching/hearing.

So letting go of the hope and expectation for the objective exposure might be helpful. Just let it go.



There is a little problem that we as individuals wrestle with, especially when you have a group like this:

The subject of thinking for yourself.

One minute we can be crying out that everyone should STOP BEING SHEOPLE! Think for yourself!

Then the next, proclaiming that someone else thinking for themself is bad, "they SHOULD be obeying and following what I think. " With lots of judgements about that person being stupid, ignorant, delusional, etc.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

This is not easy to reconcile. I guess each of us has to figure out how we deal with that. Just pointing it out.

a reply to: and14263

I would like to give you an internet hug for your rant, firstly because you make such an important point and secondly for making it so eloquently.

I think, I feel, I believe - all words that are too often omitted from stories. Generalisations and sweeping statements are the order of the day in most news outlets, because they sell papers that way. Nothing like a bit of outrage to rake in the money. ATS is a great resource to discuss stories, slowly and with some thought. I agree, it's very important that we don't get swept along with propaganda too and learn how to evaluate information reliably.

(internet hug, lol)

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a reply to: beansidhe

Thanks for the replies, I will read them and post my thoughts when more time is available. Thank you though for saying it was well written... I really did just type it up as quick as possible and was worried it wouldn't come across well at all.

a reply to: and14263

Yes...and a very nice OP! We are an easily temptable bunch of humans aren't we? I know the posts, etc. (the majority of them as a matter of fact) that are spreading stupidity and generating nothing but arguments. Hell...I've even gotten to the point that if I wanted to (not that I do it for this reason) I could post a topic specifically to reach a particular outcome. I know who will post what, if they will agree or oppose, etc. There isn't much on ATS that surprises me anymore...nor do I feel it is different for anyone who has been here for years. I believe many of us can look at the thread title and KNOW what is contained within. There is hardly a reason to click in other than to confirm your own assumption.

a reply to: and14263


Not my post!!!

Think you may mean

a reply to hecate666

a reply to: eletheia

It's doing that a lot recently!

a reply to: anxiouswens

Okay. Maybe you didn't intend for that to come off as "preachy" as it did, but okay.

a reply to: eletheia

On the contrary that was propaganda ...

You must be able to discern propaganda. Just because something is brought to light that you disagree with doesn't automatically make it propaganda.

originally posted by: FamCore
The public is just way too damn PREDICTABLE. Something happens (or they pump out all these stories about something "happening"), the public reacts, they take note. Repeat the process, gather more information on how people act in large groups, in response to various kinds of news stories.

This is exactly the reason why we have "social media" nowadays and why there is so much focus on services like Facebook or Twitter on conventional media. What better way to chart people's opinion geographically and comparing it to certain newsbroadcasts in an area than this?
Big brother is evolving under the guise of free handy apps and services.
They even turn it the other way around, by not trusting someone if they're not on Facebook for instance.
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